demens wrote:treiz wrote:From those picks: he got 2/5 correct, that's a 0.4 success rate. None of these guys are great players, they're role players who contributes off the bench. The same type of players that Thorn has picked up in the late stages of the draft. With the exception of Krstic, he was actually a great find, but injuries IMO ruined him, even now he's making a decent comeback.
Batum is a much better player then anyone Thorn has picked and 0.4 success rate is much higher then Thorns.
I agree that their is talent in the 2nd round, but like I said are they "NBA talent". An example of this is James White, his athleticism is freaking ridiculous but can he play in the NBA, another example is a Nets pick Hassan Adams, he was a good player in SL, but he was out of the league in 3 years (IIRC).
Yes, there IS "NBA Talent". Just because you list 2 scrubs that didn't make it doesn't mean there aren't tons of players that did.
Also, I find that "8 draft picks picked in the 2nd round" statement a bit false. If you're saying that 8 players per draft end up in the top 8 rotation in the league, I will simply laugh in your face unless you prove otherwise.
Thats what i'm saying, so laugh all you want or not. Take a look at the drafts, if you dont recognize about 8 or so 2nd round guys (on average) as useful rotation players (most top 8) then maybe you dont know that many NBA players.
You have to keep in mind we share the same summer league team as Philly, they too have players whom they want to develop, if we had a 2nd round pick I can almost guarantee unless he somehow ends being completely badass and a stud for some god forsaken reason, then he'll get 8-10mpg. GUARANTEED
What does Philly have to do with anything. We're not suppose to draft players because of Philly, you're joking? Plus we were sharing a team because of Ratner and everyone thought the idea is a mockery, they are not doing that again this year as far as i know.
I'm sorry but Batum is not better than anyone Thorn has drafted, IMO pre-injury, KMart would spank him, RJ would, I know for a fact T-Will may(it's arguable) and Nenad too is arguable. We're talking about a ROLE PLAYER for the Blazers, you're acting like this guy is the 2nd coming of Jordan.
Please name me any 2nd rounders in the league today that's as good as the 8th man off the bench (this is more curiosity, not a challenge towards you). And of course there's NBA talent, it's just a matter of whether they can contribute at a high level, most 2nd rounders go and become the 8th man on a lottery team, then are usually released or left further down the pecking order once the off-season begins. These guys are always fighting for their spots, I reckon undrafted players are much better investment than 2nd rounders. BTW, you haven't proved it yet.
Phully has nothing to do with anything, and I don't give a crap whose idea it was, but at the end of the day, we have to share the same summer league team, that was my point. I'm not saying we draft because of Philly, it's roster spots and minutes in the summer league is what I was getting at.
And about your last post. The only one in that list of "draftees" that you can see never leaving Portland is Roy. The rest are just starters, they are all replaceable, including Batum.
Let's compare their best draft picks:
Thorn:
KMart
RJ
Nenad
T-Will
Brook
(Add anymore Nets fans that I might be forgetting)
Pritch:
Roy
Batum
Fernandez
Aldridge
Bayless
(Feel free to add more demens, I left out Oden, since the jury is still out on him)
Also notice how I left out this years draft for obvious reason.
My take on this is that Thorn wins, he has brought 2 franchise players(KMart and Brook, although KMart was a no-brainer pick) whilst Pritch has brought in Roy. You can argue all you want about the 3 guys stashed in Europe but these guys haven't stepped in an NBA floor yet, so unless proven otherwise we can't judge these guys.
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