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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#81 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:26 am

Lets see....he's looking for athletic shooters.....Rashad McCants? Latrell Sprewell? Gerald Green?
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#82 » by Esohny » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:38 am

Klomp wrote:Lets see....he's looking for athletic shooters.....Rashad McCants? Latrell Sprewell? Gerald Green?


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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#83 » by walchy » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:48 am

i think monta is out, just because theres something about his personality. Like ive been saying all along, the most prevelant thing with Kahns rebuilding has been guys with good character. it was shown last year with flynn, this year with wes and he'll continue doing that. he wants a team thats going to love traveling togehter, hanging out together, because when you think about it, these guys see thier teammates more than thier familes most of the year. you need to get along with your family, otherwise you end up bringing guns to the locker room (see: wizards, washington). If you get along with your teammates off the court, the on court cohesiveness will go up tenfold. That will be one of the bigger things with getting a SG on this team, is he a good guy off the court?
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#84 » by MinnFanMan » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:41 pm

I think Kahn's plan to re-make the Wolves still has about a year to ge before we see the finished product. He inherited PFs, last year he drafted PGs, this year he drafted SFs. He will sign 2 big Euro centers this summer. I think the master Kahn plan was to draft E Turner and be done with SG - but that fell apart due to the Lottery. I'm not sure that we see a long-term SG by the start of the season. But Kahn still has this summer, the trade deadline and next year's draft to address a long-term solution for SG and soneone who can create his own shot.

As a stop-gap solution, I offer: Shannon Brown.

I know he is not a pure 2 Guard and more of a combo, but I pulled some notes from DX:
- has alot of traits that Kahn looks for, such as athletic, big wingspan and tough defense.
- Triangle caters to his shooting ability and allows him to use his explosiveness
- handles the ball intelligently, making one move and attacking
- Seems to have really worked on the things that will help him in the triangle

If Brown wants to re-sign with the Lakers, the initial year of his new deal could only be worth about $2.6 million, unless L.A. plans to use part of their mid-level exception.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#85 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:09 pm

walchy wrote:i think monta is out, just because theres something about his personality. Like ive been saying all along, the most prevelant thing with Kahns rebuilding has been guys with good character. it was shown last year with flynn, this year with wes and he'll continue doing that. he wants a team thats going to love traveling togehter, hanging out together, because when you think about it, these guys see thier teammates more than thier familes most of the year. you need to get along with your family, otherwise you end up bringing guns to the locker room (see: wizards, washington). If you get along with your teammates off the court, the on court cohesiveness will go up tenfold. That will be one of the bigger things with getting a SG on this team, is he a good guy off the court?


you're probably right, but I don't think its a moral obligation that he's looking for so much as getting guys that won't alienate our fans
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#86 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:13 pm

Big Al was putting up 23/11 when he was 23, if Terrence Williams is his value now, then keep him until the trade deadline when his value is back where it belongs
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#87 » by horaceworthy » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:49 pm

The Thunder might end up cutting Kyle Weaver. I liked him coming out of Washington State, he's been a bit of a victim of a numbers crunch in OKC. 6'6", long arms, decent athlete and defender, has played some point, and has improved his jumper since college.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#88 » by revprodeji » Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:49 pm

Stop scrap heaping. The guard would need to be someone better than Brewer or Webster. Otherwise just keep Brewer and Webster. We are talking about a long-term pair.

I agree Devils. Kahn better come up with an amazing justification if we are selling Jefferson for nothing. I hope it is a S/t if we are gonna move him.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#89 » by horaceworthy » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:09 am

Looks more like a conversation about which possibly available guards might fit with WJ. Unless the rumors of the death of Al's trade value have been greatly exaggerated, seems unrealistic to expect them to find the long-term answer at SG this summer.

The issue with Brewer and Webster isn't so much one of quality as it is of redundancy, not just with them, but with the other two wings acquired during the first round. Most of all in their inability to handle the ball reliably. That's why Brewer is/might be on the block.

Weaver wouldn't be a long term solution as a starter, but he could be a solid enough member of a rotation, and he's a good all-around player who provides a skill lacking in the current group of wings. He hasn't gotten much of a shot in OKC, and may be the odd man out due to a potential roster crunch and his unguaranteed contract.

Most of the decent front offices "scrap heap". Nearly half the projected starting lineup was scrap heap or something like it not too long ago.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#90 » by shangrila » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:49 am

But what chance would he honestly have here? Even if Brewer goes you're looking at 4 guys with Webster, Johnson, Hayward and Ellington getting minutes at his position and I don't know if Weaver has any separating features that would put him above the rest.

I like Weaver, I really do. I liked him pre-draft and thought he'd have a long and productive career in the NBA as a back up. But I think he'd be better off going to a team like the Celtics or Miami, who could use a backup SG, then here.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#91 » by Krapinsky » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:52 am

It doesn't matter. Weaver would just be happy to have a roster spot. I like him, but I seriously doubt there's a team out there that is going to offer his any significant time.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#92 » by horaceworthy » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:08 am

Yeah, there's going to be someone ahead of him on the depth chart wherever he goes (if he gets cut at all). Even Boston and Miami just drafted guys who they're likely looking to fill that role (Bradley, Butler).
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#93 » by MinnFanMan » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:01 pm

MinnFanMan wrote:I think Kahn's plan to re-make the Wolves still has about a year to ge before we see the finished product. He inherited PFs, last year he drafted PGs, this year he drafted SFs. He will sign 2 big Euro centers this summer. I think the master Kahn plan was to draft E Turner and be done with SG - but that fell apart due to the Lottery. I'm not sure that we see a long-term SG by the start of the season. But Kahn still has this summer, the trade deadline and next year's draft to address a long-term solution for SG and soneone who can create his own shot.

As a stop-gap solution, I offer: Shannon Brown.

I know he is not a pure 2 Guard and more of a combo, but I pulled some notes from DX:
- has alot of traits that Kahn looks for, such as athletic, big wingspan and tough defense.
- Triangle caters to his shooting ability and allows him to use his explosiveness
- handles the ball intelligently, making one move and attacking
- Seems to have really worked on the things that will help him in the triangle

If Brown wants to re-sign with the Lakers, the initial year of his new deal could only be worth about $2.6 million, unless L.A. plans to use part of their mid-level exception.


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TIMBERWOLVES WATCH (4 names to watch):
- DARKO MILICIC
- RUDY GAY
- TYRUS THOMAS
- SHANNON BROWN

• Young Lakers guard knows the triangle and Kurt Rambis knows him from their year together in L.A.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#94 » by moss_is_1 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:03 pm

I'd like all those guys, except Brown, he's athletic but he can't shoot and he thinks he can. Tyrus Thomas is fine with me, decent mid-range shot, really good shotblocker, athletic.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#95 » by Foye » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:36 pm

Anything more than a Ramon Sessions contract for Brown is vasted money, IMO.
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Re: Guards to pair with Wes Johnson? 

Post#96 » by MinnFanMan » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:43 pm

Foye wrote:Anything more than a Ramon Sessions contract for Brown is vasted money, IMO.


He opted out of 2.2 mil. If the Lakers don't use their MLE, then the Lakers can offer about 2.6 mil. sounds like he can be had for something between 2.5-3.5 mil. Still less than the 3.96 m that Sessions will get.

I think if Rambis believes that Flynn can run the Triangle, then we don't need SBrown. I suspect that Rambis wants the ball in the hands of a guard who has experience with the Triangle - or else the whole thing falls apart. Doesn't mean that SBrown starts or anything - just able to come in when the offense is not clicking.

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