2010 Offseason Thread

rocketsballin · Post #1 » by **rocketsballin** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:44 am

We should have a thread for one of the rarest offseasons in nba history. Help revive this dead board.

NY released their "3 star plan" giving the 3 FAs 11mil in their first year. Like what someone on the knicks board said, that's a plan for "EPIC FAIL" lol.

Moreyball · Post #2 » by **Moreyball** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:32 am

So what about Houston doing a S&T with Boston for Paul Pierce? Say Ariza, Budinger (Scalabrine Factor) and a Knicks pick.

Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Taylor/MLE
Pierce/Battier
Scola/PP/Hayes
Yao/MLE/Hill

Split the MLE on a defensive minded Wing and C

less than 24 hours to probably the greatest free agent summer we will ever see

Moreyball · Post #3 » by **Moreyball** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:34 am

P. S. lets flood Paul Pierce on twitter.

Tomas_11 · Post #4 » by **Tomas_11** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:03 am

hell no to pierce. We need to prepare for the future without yao

M4P · Post #5 » by **M4P** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:06 am

We should make a big run after Al Jefferson (like Max said). Screw Bosh.

Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Taylor/Budinger
Ariza/Battier/Budinger
Al Jefferson/Scola/PP (D League?)
Yao/Hill/Al Jefferson

Al gets too much flack for his lack of D. If he played in the right system with a legit C like Yao, I'm sure he'd look better than the majority of PFs in the league.

Moreyball · Post #6 » by **Moreyball** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:23 am

Tomas_11 wrote:hell no to pierce. We need to prepare for the future without yao

that's what we've been doing since Morey came here. Adding Pierce gives us a legit all-star at the position that could be upgraded the most.

I wouldnt start Al Jeff ahead of Scola for anything.

M4P · Post #7 » by **M4P** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:29 am

Moreyball wrote:
Tomas_11 wrote:hell no to pierce. We need to prepare for the future without yao

that's what we've been doing since Morey came here. Adding Pierce gives us a legit all-star at the position that could be upgraded the most.

I wouldnt start Al Jeff ahead of Scola for anything.

He's 33 and is hardly considered a 'legit' all star. Our SF position is stacked with Ariza/Bud/Battier.

You're overrating Scola - with Al Jeff we get our PF and backup C.

Moreyball · Post #8 » by **Moreyball** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:55 am

33 and probably more talented than all our SF's combined plus Battier and Jeffries are expirings and Bud is more of a SG. It will be the thinnest area on this team next season, wouldn't hurt to upgrade the spot with a guy WHO WAS AN ALL-STAR THIS YEAR

M4P · Post #9 » by **M4P** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:02 am

Moreyball wrote:33 and probably more talented than all our SF's combined plus Battier and Jeffries are expirings and Bud is more of a SG. It will be the thinnest area on this team next season, wouldn't hurt to upgrade the spot with a guy WHO WAS AN ALL-STAR THIS YEAR

Yet he played the majority of his minutes at SF.

Yao is our all-star, and Pierce will probably ask for 10 - 13m a year. He just opted out of 20m+ - do you think he'll come cheap? And also did you forget that he was playing next to Allen and Garnett? Our SF, along with our PG position, is probably the most stacked positions on our team. Even if it does get 'thin', I'd be unwilling to commit to 10m+ for an old, fading SF that's 33.

rocketsballin · Post #10 » by **rocketsballin** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:52 am

we dont need to have an all star caliber player at every position. our sf position is good enough, we have ariza, battier, cbud, all who can play 2 and 3. martin and taylor can play 3 in small ball, and if we still have him, jeffries can be a last resort sf. of corse is bosh/bron/wade are on the same team then we might need all stars at every position

i dont mind pierce, but then our sg has to be a defender, like aflalo/thabo. i dont like having an all offensive-little defense sg (martin) play most of the sg minutes. wat are we gonna do at the end of the game vs teams w/ all star sgs? martin's not gonna make their shots any harder, but they can do just that to him.

imo, this team cant win a ring w/ kevin playing more than 30mpg. we'd need ariza and battier to play most if not all the backup sg minutes. even then, we'd still have martin play the last minutes of the game.

Moreyball · Post #11 » by **Moreyball** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:26 am

if we had Pierce at the end of the game we could bring in Battier.

Obviously we don't need an all-star at every position but the fact is WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ALL-STAR.

PF is just as stacked as SF is to us, only its stacked with younger talent who are under longer contracts. It just seems logical to me that SF is the best position to upgrade whether that be Pierce or Danny Granger or whoever.

M4P · Post #12 » by **M4P** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:59 am

Moreyball wrote:if we had Pierce at the end of the game we could bring in Battier.

Obviously we don't need an all-star at every position but the fact is WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ALL-STAR.

But isn't Yao an All-Star? Realistically, do you think that the Rockets would want to commit to a 33 year old for 10m+ a year when they already have a fairly solid rotation of their own? There are bigger holes on the team than the SF position. We're undersized at the post and we need young, polished talent in order to compete, which is why I think we should go after Jefferson if we strike out on Bosh.

If the Rockets decided to sign Pierce, we'd have to further tweak the roster to accommodate him. Besides, what makes you think he'd even consider Houston? What's stopping him from going back to LA (Clippers)? Inglewood is his hometown, and they have more capspace than we do.

Moreyball · Post #13 » by **Moreyball** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:30 pm

Would the Rockets want to commit to a 33 year for 10+ million? seeing as we acquired a 30 year old (Martin) and have said we will match anything Scola gets offered. YES.

Jefferson is neither young nor polished. He's more injury riddled than Yao, has off court issues, a hefty contract and is suspect defensively.

I'm sticking with SF being the best area to upgrade. I dont believe Bosh or Al Jeff is an upgrade of Scola. We have 2 of the three SF's expiring and being included in about every trade offer.

Plus we have Patterson and Hill who are both young and NBA ready at PF.

Use the MLE get a backup C (Haywood) or swing a trade for Gortat.

Post #14 » by **Mr. E** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:38 pm

The absolute priority is getting someone who can help to limit Yao's minutes. I'm going to be pissed every time he plays more than 20 minutes a game in the regular season.

If Al Jefferson can spell Yao at the 5 for periods of time (with Hill & Chuck helping) then I'm all for it. It would be nice to not have him go off on us for a change!

As for Patrick Patterson - I don't know if he'll start off in the D-League. Everything I'm reading about the guy tells me he can make an immediate impact. Of course, if they do decide to send him down there to get playing time we all know that he won't complain about it; and he'll make the most of the opportunity.

man...is it obvious how much I'm liking this draft pick? :lol:

Guy986 · Post #15 » by **Guy986** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:38 pm

I'm ok with Jefferson. But he's too expensive and plays little to no defense.

I think i'll prefer the euro version of him, Pekovic. He also plays little to no defense but atleast he's gonna come cheaper.

Guy986 · Post #16 » by **Guy986** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:58 pm

Fellas, Bosh is not walking through that door.

Looks like he's going to Miami. We whored ourselves to him and this is what happened. I almost feel dirty.

Baller 24 · Post #17 » by **Baller 24** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:19 pm

Why do you say Miami so soon?

In terms of money he'd want a S&T (almost 30 million is hard to leave on the table for a guy that will turn 31 at the end of his contract), and it's been rumored that Toronto dislikes Beasley's attitude.

MaxRider · Post #18 » by **MaxRider** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:01 pm

I'm not saying we should go all out for Jefferson. I'm just saying if we are doing that to get Bosh, we are actually better off with Jefferson. At least Jefferson wont complain about playing center. Think of Yao as your backup center for this season. We need someone to play center at least 24 mpg. If you guys think it's okay to let Hayes, Hill, and Patterson to take those 24 mpg. We might as well ask Yao to sit half of the season. Yao's window is closing. If we want to at least get to the conference finals we need to do something. Face it Bosh+Johnson is a pipe dream. Bosh is mostly going to join LeBron or Wade in one of the Eastern team.

Take a look at all those all-star (caliber) PF/C available out there: Bosh, Amare, Jefferson, Boozer, Brand
If Les is willing to pay the max, sure go after Bosh or Amare, but I don't think we got any chance at them. Brand is getting old, if we are paying similar type of money, why don't go after the younger and cheaper one (Jefferson)?

I think we should try to get Chris Paul, if Hornets owner is still trying to trade him.

MaxRider · Post #19 » by **MaxRider** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:03 pm

Baller 24 wrote:Why do you say Miami so soon?

In terms of money he'd want a S&T (almost 30 million is hard to leave on the table for a guy that will turn 31 at the end of his contract), and it's been rumored that Toronto dislikes Beasley's attitude.

In the new report that Toronto would like to do a sign-and-trade and if the partner is Miami, they would like to get Beasley or Chalmer.

M4P · Post #20 » by **M4P** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:40 pm

Moreyball wrote:Would the Rockets want to commit to a 33 year for 10+ million? seeing as we acquired a 30 year old (Martin) and have said we will match anything Scola gets offered. YES.

Jefferson is neither young nor polished. He's more injury riddled than Yao, has off court issues, a hefty contract and is suspect defensively.

I'm sticking with SF being the best area to upgrade. I dont believe Bosh or Al Jeff is an upgrade of Scola. We have 2 of the three SF's expiring and being included in about every trade offer.

Plus we have Patterson and Hill who are both young and NBA ready at PF.

Use the MLE get a backup C (Haywood) or swing a trade for Gortat.

Exactly - we're already committed to Martin who's 27 not 30. What's the point of adding someone who probably has Houston on the bottom of their list? Al Jeff would be a definite upgrade to Scola since he's basically a bigger, bulkier Scola who can play C at times.

Jefferson is 25 years old and plays basically the exact same style as Scola with better rebounding but slightly worse mid range game. His foot work is top notch and he doesn't rely on athleticism nearly as much as someone like Amare. He's had 1 significant injury, and had a down year since he came back too early. His defense is suspect because he often plays out of position at C. If the Rockets moved him primarily to the PF spot, you would see basically no drop off in D compared to what we have now. The fact that you think that he's not young or polished makes me believe that you've never really seen Al play. Don't you remember all those 30+ point games he dropped on Yao?

The reason that I think that we should go chase after Al is because I think his value is at an all time low. There have been rumors about how he could be acquired for just expirings - if that's true we have to take that gamble since he's probably our most realistic off season target.

Off court issues? Please. Everyone gets a DUI - no one is perfect.