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Kevin Martin and Yao. 

Post#1 » by Mount Mutombo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:24 pm

That's a great offense right there. I'm wondering if these two scorers can compliment each other, I say it'll work... Worked with Big T-Mac Attack.

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Post#2 » by PocketRockets » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:43 pm

Kmart is a better shooter and actually draws fouls. That is huge b/c it gives Yao, who has never had much stamina to get more rest during the game. AB coming into his own will help draw fouls, etc. Yao will be crucial during those periods we can't score, like end of games, etc. The league has changed completely into a guard league so that's the way we should go also. Let the guards get the big points and let the bigs do 15/10.
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Post#3 » by Mount Mutombo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:52 pm

Good post, Yao never get's fouls and I do not know why, Martin obviously is a better shooter.
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Post#4 » by cs hauser » Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:08 pm

Mount Mutombo wrote:I'm wondering if these two scorers can compliment each other, I say it'll work...




We've already heard Yao compliment Tmac plenty of times. He's a very gracious guy. There's no reason why Yao and Kevin can't shower each other with compliments.

But on the court, Yao and Tmac never really complemented each other very well. Most games were either dominated by Yao, or dominated by Tmac. Usually one guy steps up and the other guy steps back. That's why that partnership never fulfilled its potential. I hope Yao and Kevin Martin can dominate games together.
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Post#5 » by Mount Mutombo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:00 pm

Kevin Martin needs to work in getting in the paint. Yao needs to develop a better post game too.
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Post#6 » by College Boy » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:26 pm

Mount Mutombo wrote:Kevin Martin needs to work in getting in the paint. Yao needs to develop a better post game too.


Uhh... Was that a joke? That's actually both of their strengths. Or am I wrong?
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Post#7 » by Mount Mutombo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:27 pm

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Mount Mutombo wrote:Kevin Martin needs to work in getting in the paint. Yao needs to develop a better post game too.


Uhh... Was that a joke? That's actually both of their strengths. Or am I wrong?


Kevin Martin is a shooter. Yao, Yao is a shooter from close range, he can work down low but I'd love to see him do it more often.
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Post#8 » by Depressio » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:28 pm

Kevin Martin's not much of a finisher at the rim in the half court. He, quite simply, doesn't have the muscle to do it. However, hit mid-range and long-range game is excellent and top notch in efficiency. An inside-out approach with Yao and Martin will work very, very well. Not only that, but you'll have AB and Ariza bombing from the outside too, with Luis Scola (or Chris Bosh?!) escaping for mid-range J's with all the attention which will inevitably be devoted to Yao.

P.S. - Yes, I mention Ariza doing long bombs because he won't have to be creating his own shot. The guy is nails in a catch-and-shoot attempt; not so much moving or making his own.
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Post#9 » by cs hauser » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:13 pm

Mount Mutombo wrote:Yao needs to develop a better post game too.



College Boy wrote:Yao is a shooter from close range, he can work down low but I'd love to see him do it more often.



You two are kidding, right?

Yao is arguably the most dangerous low-post threat in the entire league. There's no single player in the league who can defend him one-on-one in the low post. Not Tim Duncan, not KG, not Dwight Howard. In fact, I don't remember anyone attempt to guard Yao one-on-one since Shaq in the early 2000's.

Every time Yao gets the ball in the post, defenses collapse 2 or 3 players around him. That's a sure sign that he's very effective from that spot. Yao doesn't need to work on his low post scoring because he's already perfect from there.

Yao needs to improve his ability to pass out of double teams. And he needs to get better at fending off defenders who try to front him. Yao's biggest flaw is his inability to make defenders pay for double teaming and/or fronting him.
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Post#10 » by M4P » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:25 pm

Mount Mutombo wrote:
College Boy wrote:
Mount Mutombo wrote:Kevin Martin needs to work in getting in the paint. Yao needs to develop a better post game too.


Uhh... Was that a joke? That's actually both of their strengths. Or am I wrong?


Kevin Martin is a shooter. Yao, Yao is a shooter from close range, he can work down low but I'd love to see him do it more often.

Actually when Martin was with the Kings, his primary strength was attacking the basket and drawing contact. He just needs to work on his D and add some more mass.

Yao just needs to learn how to counter the front.
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Post#11 » by Mount Mutombo » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:27 pm

He looks like a little girl, I totally agree with you on Yao.
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Post#12 » by TMACFORMVP » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:40 pm

Yao's post game is fine, it's arguable when he gets positioning, he's the best offensive big man in the game. It's just a matter of consistency, and like M4P said beating the front.
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Post#13 » by Young_Star11 » Thu Jul 1, 2010 12:50 am

We'll be fine - our problem is going to be managing Yao throughout the regular season (and hopefully into the playoffs).
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Post#14 » by N1ckyPoo » Thu Jul 1, 2010 1:52 am

Mount Mutombo wrote:Kevin Martin needs to work in getting in the paint. Yao needs to develop a better post game too.


Drugs?
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Post#15 » by Mount Mutombo » Thu Jul 1, 2010 1:53 am

N1ckyPoo wrote:
Mount Mutombo wrote:Kevin Martin needs to work in getting in the paint. Yao needs to develop a better post game too.


Drugs?


Kicking dead horse?
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Post#16 » by N1ckyPoo » Thu Jul 1, 2010 1:59 am

Mount Mutombo wrote:
N1ckyPoo wrote:
Mount Mutombo wrote:Kevin Martin needs to work in getting in the paint. Yao needs to develop a better post game too.


Drugs?


Kicking dead horse?


Chasing the dragon?
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Post#17 » by Mount Mutombo » Thu Jul 1, 2010 2:11 am

Drugs?

Kicking dead horse?

Chasing the dragon?


Eating the poo-poo?
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Post#18 » by syj805 » Thu Jul 1, 2010 4:14 pm

Mount Mutombo wrote:Good post, Yao never get's fouls and I do not know why, Martin obviously is a better shooter.


He doesn't get much calls from refs because he's not perceived as a top-tier star to get favorable treatment. Some cities are notorious for that. But to be fair, at least a few would consider the big man an elite center. But for sure, there are also cultural barriers and nuances that might be an obstacle for Yao to ever achieve that status.

But on the court, Yao and Tmac never really complemented each other very well. Most games were either dominated by Yao, or dominated by Tmac. Usually one guy steps up and the other guy steps back. That's why that partnership never fulfilled its potential. I hope Yao and Kevin Martin can dominate games together.


You're right about that. There needs to be a balance, but who knows if Kevin Martin is the answer.
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Post#19 » by desquivel18 » Thu Jul 1, 2010 9:24 pm

cs hauser wrote:
Mount Mutombo wrote:I'm wondering if these two scorers can compliment each other, I say it'll work...




We've already heard Yao compliment Tmac plenty of times. He's a very gracious guy. There's no reason why Yao and Kevin can't shower each other with compliments.

But on the court, Yao and Tmac never really complemented each other very well. Most games were either dominated by Yao, or dominated by Tmac. Usually one guy steps up and the other guy steps back. That's why that partnership never fulfilled its potential. I hope Yao and Kevin Martin can dominate games together.


Hey Im a kings fan and i dont think Kmart and Yao will be able to dominate together,
We traded kmart because he wanted to do everything on his own on offense. He would forget about his teammates too often.
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Post#20 » by College Boy » Thu Jul 1, 2010 9:40 pm

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College Boy wrote:Yao is a shooter from close range, he can work down low but I'd love to see him do it more often.



You two are kidding, right?

Yao is arguably the most dangerous low-post threat in the entire league. There's no single player in the league who can defend him one-on-one in the low post. Not Tim Duncan, not KG, not Dwight Howard. In fact, I don't remember anyone attempt to guard Yao one-on-one since Shaq in the early 2000's.

Every time Yao gets the ball in the post, defenses collapse 2 or 3 players around him. That's a sure sign that he's very effective from that spot. Yao doesn't need to work on his low post scoring because he's already perfect from there.

Yao needs to improve his ability to pass out of double teams. And he needs to get better at fending off defenders who try to front him. Yao's biggest flaw is his inability to make defenders pay for double teaming and/or fronting him.


I didn't say that sir. Not quite sure how you thought I did either.

Nonetheless, I agree with you completely. I remember Eduardo Najera used to kill Yao with that front. And if I remember correctly, Pau Gasol got pretty good at fronting Yao as well. And it would kill me to see that weak side defender come across and swipe the ball from Yao's hands when he would get it in the post. I don't know if it was a lack of communication or what, but it happened far to often. He definitely has to anticipate that double and look to kick it out to the perimeter.
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