Has your front office gone insane?

[TucsonHawk]

Seems to me that the Hawks are doing this to better themselves. Larry Drew knows all about JJ, he has been here. As fans we want our team to be the best, and at least have a shot at winning it all. JJ provides that. I would like to see what he could do in Drew's offense. This sends out a message to other NBA players that Atlanta wants to win. If JJ passes, then another big-time free agent will see that the Hawks value good players.

[dms269]

I know everyone hates JJ since he apparently can't play basketball, but do people actually realize the team we would trot out there if Joe leaves? Jamal starting with Jordan off the bench is not better than the team with Joe. People seem to have this mindset that any top free agent would love to come here. Melo is likely to be a free agent, but just because we could possibly have space if Joe doesn't come back (trading away some contract) doesn't mean he is willing to sign with us. With free agents, they have to like the team and the franchise. We don't have that storied reputation that many fa's want. I know fans think we can sign anyone we want, but most starts are not going to come to Atlanta. JJ is our best shot at a "star" player (yes i know he isn't a star, don't jump down my throat about that).

You think we will be in mediocrity with JJ, think about what we would be in without him. Not bad enough to have a high lotto pick, not good enough to win a title.

[D21]

Big difference between Joe and Wade : Wade brings people in the arean, Joe certainly half of that, and it makes money.

In ATL, I bet Josh brings more people than Joe, and he has a better efficiency, same for Al and he's a leader.
Why Joe would deserve that money ? Just because if he leaves we don't have the same cap room.

I could be wrong, but I start to think that no team would give him Max, it's all agent work.
I talk about it in another thread ( Link ), he wants to play with NYK (not so sure) CHI or ATL.
CHI has only one Max to offer with cap room, and NYK two, but want 3 good players. I don't think that James or Bosh will take 11.5M, they will want Max, and let NYK work on trade on wait next year with Curry off the book.
So the two Max of NYK are set on other people than Joe, he's only the 3rd guy in any scenario for NYK.

Result: if he wants Max in another team, it will need a sign-&-trade.
They are not wanting him as fist option, don't let them fool you ASG !!!

He will kill the team with this money.
If they really do that, they are the best incompetent people you can find to manage a team.

Joe at 20M/yr = Joe at 15 (already overpaid)+ MLE Center.
If Woody did not play all this ISO, he would not be viewed like that, not better than Josh or Al, and it's not him that make ATL winning, it's start when Bibby (in shape) came here, then with improvement of Josh and Al.

It's not hard to realize that. Thinking of Joe at this money is just the product of having no PG for years and Woody letting him do what he wants.
There is a lot of players, including Salmons that would have given almost the same numbers in the same role.


You ASG, you want to give him 120M ? then assume your move, and then spend to make this team win like you said.
Match the Childress offer and find a sign-&-trade, use the full MLE on Brad Miller or Haywood,... don't let one advantage walk away for nothing.
It will cost you a lot, because of your mistake with Joe, but you will not make fans frustrated as much than what you're doing right now.
You don't want to win by spending cash ? Then don't spend at all, certainly not like that.

And Sund saying that he wants to build a team like DET...
what a joke. Where did he see that the winning DET team have a guy at 20M or more.
It was a team with shared salaries, even underpaid, and when extensions came, it was not for 20M.

Please, you can't be so much stupid ?

[Airness]

Anyone who compares Dwyane Wade to Joe Johnson needs their head checked. That's all I'll say about that.

[Paladin55]

No troll here...

I have rooted for the Hawks in the past. I lived in Alabama a few years, and my sister has lived there the last 25 years. There are some teams I don't want to see win, but Atlanta is not one of them.

I'm also a long suffering Knicks' fan who is not that unhappy to see Johnson become unavailable to the Knicks.

Terrible contract, guys. I was OK with him if it meant that he would be a draw for James, but without James, unless we also got Bosh, I was not that interested in Mr. Johnson.

He is not worth $ 20M/YR in terms of his positive impact on your team no matter what some Atlanta fans might think. Don't know enough about your cap and contract situation, but this amount of $$ given to Johnson can't be good for adding players who might be available in the future.

Obviously your management was very afraid of losing him, but it looks like you guys gave up too much to keep him.

[evildallas]

New theory: The ASG are actually devoted members of a Mayan Doomsday Cult. Since the world is ending in December of 2012, it is really just a 2 1/2 year offer for about 43M

[evildallas]

The story is being pushed that the ASG are now willing to use the MLE to better the team. I remain skeptical. What would probably salvage some fan confidence is a bold and decisive maneuver (like some other teams) even if it means overspending somewhat. Waiting out the market like last year for Joe Smith will inspire no one. If they are willing to spend the MLE they need to identify and approach their target big men and close a deal whether that means Brendan Haywood, Jermaine O'Neal, or Brad Miller. Waiting for a bargain will result in no improvement in the front line and ultimately make the Joe Johnson contract a huge price tag to be just better than mediocre. I still hate the resigning of Joe Johnson, but if you are going to throw that money away you need to go the extra mile to make a additional signing or a trade or hopefully both to actually give hope that you're at least making a short term run at something considering that you've mortgaged the future.

[RussellandFlow]

Just to put it in perspective, Danny Granger who I consider as good or maybe even better than JJ signed an extension less than two years ago for 5yrs/60 million. JJ just robbed ASG with no mask or gloves.

[dms269]

Just to put it in perspective, Danny Granger who I consider as good or maybe even better than JJ signed an extension less than two years ago for 5yrs/60 million. JJ just robbed ASG with no mask or gloves.

Danny Granger was also coming off his rookie contract, and couldn't receive the same amount of money as Joe.

If Granger continues to be about the same as Joe and there are a ton of teams with max cap space when his contract expires, someone will offer him a max deal.

[_BBIB_]

My new rule of thumb is that you should only offer a full max contract to someone that the majority of your fans think it is a no brainer to do so.

Lebron - no brainer.
Kobe - no brainer.
Dwayne Wade - no brainer.
Kevin Durant - no brainer.

I don't believe half of the Hawks fans consider offering Joe Johnson the full max a no brainer.

If the contract offer is for real and accepted then I expect by year 3 of 6 for it to join such moves as matching the offer to Joe Konchak, trading Dominique, trading for Isiah Rider, passing on Chris Paul or Deron Williams, and drafting Shelden Williams as some of the worst moves by the Hawks in the last 25 years.

If GMs listened to fans the teams they would put together would be pretty lousy because most fans have no clue what they are talking about and get everything they know about sports from the media

Joe Johnson was worth a max contract to us, because without him we are a worse team. It's as simple as that. And he could demand the money because he was wanted around the league.

Other guys like Salmons, Granger, etc weren't as coveted as Joe Johnson. That's how the market works folks

[Space Jam]

If other teams will pay him a max, good let them have him. He is not on or near the same level as Kobe, Wade, or LeBron and shouldn't be payed like it.
Of course you all happy now because we have Joe back while he still is a all star, but in 3 years let's see if you like this deal. When he is 34 and gettin payed 23+ million lets see if you like this deal. When we have to let Crawford and Horford walk let's see if you like this deal. 100% of legit NBA fans think this is a overpay by alot and 90% of Hawks fan disagree with it. It says alot when almost all of hawk fans don't want to give a max to JJ. Joe is worth 4 years 75 million at tops.