Why the Diaw hate?

[TheJohnWallShow]

As a Suns fan I was sooooo glad to see this guy go. Nash would feed him wide open dimes and Diaw would pump fake, panic, and pass the ball away. Whoever said he shoots too much must not know how the game of basketball is played. He has games where he shows his potential, and can get a triple double, but he just doesnt seem comfortable enough on the floor.

[GoBobs]

Also, I don't know why Jackson gets hate at all for how he played against Orlando... Compared to how everyone else was performing, who else should've been chucking? We were getting buried and even though Jack was missing, I'd rather see him jack up 20+ shots than anyone else on the team at the time (other than Wallace of course).

Anyone. I don't agree with the "letting a shooter shoot it out" approach unless your name is Kobe, LeBron or Dwayne. If you can't throw it in the ocean that game, pass the ball. Jack didn't even do that.

I certainly don't want to see Crash launch anything. If he's driving the ball and gets 20 shots, ok. If he's gotta jack them up from the perimeter, I'd rather almost any non-center shoots instead.

Gerald Wallace shot .455% from 3 in the playoffs to build on the solid .371 he shot in the regular season. He can throw it up as much as he wants as far as I am concerned, esp when Jackson is shooting .167% from downtown like he did in the playoffs.

Also Tyrus Thomas had the best fg% of anyone in the playoffs so Wallace wasn't the only guy who played well.

The Diaw hate comes mostly from his inconsistent play and the perception that he isn't in the best shape he could be. One game he will go 7-9 and the next game he will go 1-5. His overall stats at the end of the season however usually come out very respectable.

He does a ton of valuable things on the court however that don't show up in the stat sheet. He runs the floor well for a big man. He adds a lot to the movement of the ball in the offense with his passing. He scores at a good clip around the basket and can also stretch the floor with his shooting. He isn't a great help defender or one on one defender but he is decent at both and gives good effort. He can play multiple positions.

Usually it seems people who dislike Diaw are the same people who like Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, Al Jefferson ect. Maybe these folks just put a little more emphasis on ppg then I do.

[doc.end]

I like Stephen Jackson, I wouldn't touch Monta Ellis with a stick, I'm indifferent to Al Jefferson (health taken into consideration) and I think Boris Diaw is a chronic underachiever. How much emphasis I am putting on ppg?

[DY_nasty]

I hate to defend Jackson, because I can't stand the guy... but he and Wallace were the only reason that we ever in any game during the playoffs. Tyrus - I reserve judgment on his play solely because SVG neglected to ever modify his lineup to counter him. He beasted, yeah, but the kid didn't play enough (in the regular season, or the playoffs) for me to ever be like "yeaaa - give TT the greenlight LB!". Crash is never going to be the guy to jack up shots though. Its just not who he is. Some guys don't shoot 3s. Some guys are never going to be good passers. Gerald is never going to start gunning when the team needs to because he's never been that kind of player in his career, pro or college. He's an extremely efficient scorer when he's on and the best part about that is that he hardly ever forces anything to the point where he runs the risk of disrupting offensive tempo. He takes what the defense gives him and does what our offense needs him to do - thats why I'm never gonna be like "screw it, crash should shoot 30 a game".

Jackson got us there, who else was gonna step up? Diaw never got off the bus, Ray wanted to get back on the bus. Not too many guys on this team to go to on offense... May as well let the shooting guard who got us into the playoffs to begin with do his thing, especially if you can count on one hand the amount of people who actually showed to play that series. Its a star's league. And maybe if Stern didn't still hate him, he'd have got some more calls too...



I can't stand Diaw for the same reason that you do, but I'm also the same guy who's damn near started a protest on Trade St over Jefferson and Monta. Diaw is a bum 4 out of 7 days of the week. Wanting some semblance of consistent play like almost everyone else on the team (outside of DJ this year) isn't absurd. The guy plays like trash when everyone knows he can play better. One of the first Bobcats to be booed at home - People have more than enough reasons to dislike Diaw.

[Loney T]

Like GoBobs says he does lots of things that doesn't show up on the stat sheet, it's not always the assist but the pass that leads to the assist or good screens and boxing out...at least he doesn't freezes the ball like Jax does sometimes (the season before Jax came he was averaging 15ppg)...he tends to be passive on offense sometimes but he is always active on defense. The main thing against him I think is his shape and conditioning.

[GoBobs]

Diaw is a bum 4 out of 7 days of the week.

Maybe so but he is one of our best players for the other three.

[DY_nasty]

Diaw is a bum 4 out of 7 days of the week.

Maybe so but he is one of our best players for the other three.

No he's not.

He's only been 'one of the best players' maybe 10-15 times since he's been a Bobcat.

[Paydro70]

Diaw is a bum 4 out of 7 days of the week.

Maybe so but he is one of our best players for the other three.

No he's not.

He's only been 'one of the best players' maybe 10-15 times since he's been a Bobcat.

That's an exaggeration, check the hammer totals if nothing else:
Boris Diaw: 7g,13s,10b = 55

He was our best player 7 games this year, and "one of the best" 30 times.

Edit for math.

[doc.end]

Well, that counts those games when simply players had to get a hammer no matter what, including our "impressive" start to the season, so those numbers of hammers total won't give you complete picture. Just saying.

[fatlever]

one of the best (assuming we are counting top 3) 30 times, not 20.

[tonman]

some of us simply wants him to be a POWER forward.

[GoBobs]

Oct 30th vs NYK 17pts 11reb 6ast 2stl 2blk
Nov 7th @ CHI 20pts 7 reb 5ast 3stl 1blk
Nov 14th vs POR 21pts 6 reb 4ast 1stl
Nov 16th @ ORL 21pts 3 reb 1ast 2stl 1blk
Nov 22nd vs IND 17pts 7 reb 4ast
Dec 5th vs PHI 28pts 5 reb 2ast 1stl 2blk
Jan 12th vs HOU 19pts 7 reb 6ast 1stl 3blk
Jan 15th vs SAS 26pts 11reb 2ast 2blk
Jan 26th @ PHX 24pts 11reb 5ast 1stl 1blk
Feb 9th vs WAS 16pts 4 reb 2ast 1stl
Feb 10th @ MIN 15pts 5 reb 5ast 3blk
Feb 16th vs NJN 19pts 10reb 3ast 1stl 2blk
Feb 19th vs CLE 18pts 5 reb 9ast 1stl 1blk
Feb 22nd @ LAC 20pts 9 reb 9ast
Feb 26th @ MEM 18pts 5 reb 1ast 1stl
Mar 1st vs DAL 15pts 4 reb 2ast 1blk
Mar 6th vs GSW 14pts 12reb 9ast
Mar 10th @ PHI 13pts 2 reb 1ast 2stl
Mar 12th vs LAC 16pts 4 reb 5ast
Mar 16th @ IND 20pts 5 reb 4ast 1blk
Mar 23rd @ WAS 17pts 3 reb 1ast 2stl
Apr 3rd @ CHI 18pts 7 reb 6ast 2blk
Apr 6th vs ATL 17pts 9 reb 9ast 1stl 2blk
Apr 9th @ HOU 18pts 3 reb 5ast 1stl

There are 24 games from last year that he was clearly very good in. He had about 10 games where he was really terrible and the rest were pretty close to his averages in one way or another.

[DY_nasty]

The issue is that anyone who's ever seen him play is immediately frustrated by his demeanor on the court. Whether he's too passive, too lazy, or too inconsistent... its frustrating because its clear that he's capable of more. He's had games where he's had some crazy stat lines and many who left the game would still feel the urge to hit him in the face despite his numbers.

[doc.end]

Well he is Power Forward. I think there is a consensus on this board he wasn't much effecitve as a Small Forward for us. Plus we don't want to play Crash at PF where injury is more probable for him.

[BigSlam]

The issue is that anyone who's ever seen him play is immediately frustrated by his demeanor on the court. Whether he's too passive, too lazy, or too inconsistent... its frustrating because its clear that he's capable of more. He's had games where he's had some crazy stat lines and many who left the game would still feel the urge to hit him in the face despite his numbers.

Equally as frustrating was when he would play the first 5 mins of a game like a future hall of famer only to flame out for the remaining 3 qtrs and 7 mins.

[Loney T]

The issue is that anyone who's ever seen him play is immediately frustrated by his demeanor on the court. Whether he's too passive, too lazy, or too inconsistent... its frustrating because its clear that he's capable of more. He's had games where he's had some crazy stat lines and many who left the game would still feel the urge to hit him in the face despite his numbers.

Equally as frustrating was when he would play the first 5 mins of a game like a future hall of famer only to flame out for the remaining 3 qtrs and 7 mins.

wow good arithmetic skills!^^

[Eoghan]

I think y'alls expectations for him are a tad too high. It's not in his ability to dominate games by stuffing the stat sheet, it's just not his personality. He's a Euro with a Euro-style ball kind of approach to the game. I don't think this translates too well in LB's system where the PG dominates the ball distribution. Either way, I'll take 4 APG out of a PF. I can see how some of you guys feel he's being overpaid, but this day in the NBA, who isn't?

[TheJohnWallShow]

Diaw is a big puss, I almost ripped out all my hair watching him play for the Suns. Suns got sucha steal on that trade its ridiculous! J-Rich and Dudley for Diaw and Bell, almost goes up there with Pau Gasol trade to the Lakers!

[DY_nasty]

Diaw is a big puss, I almost ripped out all my hair watching him play for the Suns. Suns got sucha steal on that trade its ridiculous! J-Rich and Dudley for Diaw and Bell, almost goes up there with Pau Gasol trade to the Lakers!

Just about everyone looks good playing next to Nash, just saying...

We brought J-Rich in to be a #1 option - which he wasn't. Being the #3 guy in Phoenix is working out good for him (as long as he isn't missing dunks). I still miss Dudley, but I'm happy with the trade because Raja eventually turned into Stephen Jackson. If Boris actually showed some consistency and less of that unwillingness to shoot the ball when there's absolutely no one within 15 ft of him, I'd be poppin bottles...