PHX Suns Capology after the Fyre agreement

[Just_Win]

Dirk and David Lee are pipe dreams and wont be signed, the Suns may make some general inquiry or some half assed attempt to make it look to us fans that they are being diligent, but they are way beyond the money available or what our owner would be willing to spend, in retrospect so was Amare

MarMar is absolutely right in his pessimism, we are being sold a con job. They were never all that serious in dealing with Amare in good faith or they would have given him the market value of what is being commanded in this free agency. They knew the cost of business from the get go and if it wasn't evident in the beginning its hard to imagine anyone being oblivious to what those 6 or 7 teams are goign to spend on the top tier free agents when players like Amir Johnson, Drew Godden Rudy Gay Joe johnson got paid what they did. It was pretty obvious it was going to take a 6 year max to resign Amare.''

Dirk is not settling for less, David Lee will now get an offer of at least 15mil and maybe max by one of the teams that lost out on Amare and Bosh, Boozer will get maxed or near maxed

The team you see now is pretty much what we will have this coming season and Kerr i think saw this inevitability and took his ball and went home.

Sarver is more content on saving and cutting cost now than actually contending, he's betting on the blind faithful to carry him as he sells "we did all we could and we still have Nash and the team full of heart to support" line of BS to us gullible fans.

and yes i have been highly critical and pessimistic since i realized Sarver was never as much about winning as making it appear he is about winning and more about appeasing and i was extremely surprised at the success the team had last year. It was my favorite version of the Suns in a very long time and possibly ever in the 30 plus years i've been a fan, but that was in spite of Sarver and not because of him. It was Gentry, Kerr ( who i wrongly accused of being responsible for the bad decisions i saw made by the FO) and having the right mix of vets and hungry young players.

those same players remaining will again play their heart out and do all they can but if you sincerely think this team will be close to as good as it was by removing Amare, you are emphatically wrong in my opinion. Amare had limitations but without that post presence we have a bunch of guys parked on the perimeter and Nash in constant dribble mode and teams wont have any reason to sag off those three pointers anymore to clog the paint.

i am so frustrated after the high of last year to see us once again take a back step due to cost like we did with the JJ situation.

Sarver just wants to get by he's content with getting an 8th (IF we can even get that) seed spot. As long as it gets some fans to attend the game he's happy. He doesn't want to be a contender. He just wants to give us gullible fans hope every year.

[Biscotti]

Let's all pray we can s&t Amare somewhere.

Al Jefferson seems like our best bet.

I'm not sure how he would do in our system. We could certainly use his post play, and rebounding.

[grumpysaddle]

Let's all pray we can s&t Amare somewhere.

Al Jefferson seems like our best bet.

I'm not sure how he would do in our system. We could certainly use his post play, and rebounding.

Think about what you're saying before you say it. Amar'e does not want to play in Minnesota. The best case scenario is a TPE in a highly unlikely S&T with the Knicks.

[JohnVancouver]

I am legendary in my bafflement at the Byzantine workings of the CBa but - isn't it stil true that we can give Amar'e more $$$ and an extra year in a S&T? So if it is NY, and it's also been reported that NY is not the team offering max to him, then doesn't it work for Stat to sign for the max with us and get dealt after?

Knicks absorb the disparity in our new deal with Lee and we get the TPE. No?

Although how we would still want Lee after taking Warrick ....

[rsavaj]

I am legendary in my bafflement at the Byzantine workings of the CBa but - isn't it stil true that we can give Amar'e more $$$ and an extra year in a S&T? So if it is NY, and it's also been reported that NY is not the team offering max to him, then doesn't it work for Stat to sign for the max with us and get dealt after?

Knicks absorb the disparity in our new deal with Lee and we get the TPE. No?

Although how we would still want Lee after taking Warrick ....

Indeed, we can give Amare more dollars and years. Looks like NYK is offering him the max though, 5 yrs, 96 million(wow). But we could sign him for 5 years, 104 million(which would benefit him) and then trade him to NYK for Lee and the TPE. With Warrick here though...I don't know if Sarver's going in that direction.

[BVPN]

I am legendary in my bafflement at the Byzantine workings of the CBa but - isn't it stil true that we can give Amar'e more $$$ and an extra year in a S&T? So if it is NY, and it's also been reported that NY is not the team offering max to him, then doesn't it work for Stat to sign for the max with us and get dealt after?

Knicks absorb the disparity in our new deal with Lee and we get the TPE. No?

Although how we would still want Lee after taking Warrick ....

Indeed, we can give Amare more dollars and years. Looks like NYK is offering him the max though, 5 yrs, 96 million(wow). But we could sign him for 5 years, 104 million(which would benefit him) and then trade him to NYK for Lee and the TPE. With Warrick here though...I don't know if Sarver's going in that direction.

@ Warrick dictating our direction. Is this what we've come to?

[rsavaj]

I am legendary in my bafflement at the Byzantine workings of the CBa but - isn't it stil true that we can give Amar'e more $$$ and an extra year in a S&T? So if it is NY, and it's also been reported that NY is not the team offering max to him, then doesn't it work for Stat to sign for the max with us and get dealt after?

Knicks absorb the disparity in our new deal with Lee and we get the TPE. No?

Although how we would still want Lee after taking Warrick ....

Indeed, we can give Amare more dollars and years. Looks like NYK is offering him the max though, 5 yrs, 96 million(wow). But we could sign him for 5 years, 104 million(which would benefit him) and then trade him to NYK for Lee and the TPE. With Warrick here though...I don't know if Sarver's going in that direction.

@ Warrick dictating our direction. Is this what we've come to?

Well, it doesn't make sense to get Lee when you already have 8 other forwards on the roster.

[BVPN]

Right, but we just created that problem a few hours ago. We definitely could have gotten Lee if we wanted.

[MarJJMar]

So, for the Suns cap - this to me is the best possibility for moving LB

Knicks sign Amare and agree to S&T
Suns take back a trade exception which Sarver may or may not use
Suns also take back Eddy Curry and either buy him out or get his butt in shape as I believe he has only one year left on his deal
Suns move LB as part of S&T to play for Mike and Dan again

Suns could also take Eddy Curry and move him to Hornets for West as they would want the cap savings

Nobody is taking Leandro Barbosa from us unless we give up multiple picks.

We are not getting a sign and trade for Amare. Signing Frye and Warrick means we can't sign Amare anymore.

[rsavaj]

Right, but we just created that problem a few hours ago. We definitely could have gotten Lee if we wanted.

Remember though Coro reported a few days ago that Lee was deemed "too pricey for a step back", and who knows if we'd even be able to afford him? At this market Lee will probably get 14-15 million instead of the 11-12 we're hoping for.

[rsavaj]

So, for the Suns cap - this to me is the best possibility for moving LB

Knicks sign Amare and agree to S&T
Suns take back a trade exception which Sarver may or may not use
Suns also take back Eddy Curry and either buy him out or get his butt in shape as I believe he has only one year left on his deal
Suns move LB as part of S&T to play for Mike and Dan again

Suns could also take Eddy Curry and move him to Hornets for West as they would want the cap savings

Nobody is taking Leandro Barbosa from us unless we give up multiple picks.

We are not getting a sign and trade for Amare. Signing Frye and Warrick means we can't sign Amare anymore.

Technically we can still sign him.

[MarJJMar]

So, for the Suns cap - this to me is the best possibility for moving LB

Knicks sign Amare and agree to S&T
Suns take back a trade exception which Sarver may or may not use
Suns also take back Eddy Curry and either buy him out or get his butt in shape as I believe he has only one year left on his deal
Suns move LB as part of S&T to play for Mike and Dan again

Suns could also take Eddy Curry and move him to Hornets for West as they would want the cap savings

Nobody is taking Leandro Barbosa from us unless we give up multiple picks.

We are not getting a sign and trade for Amare. Signing Frye and Warrick means we can't sign Amare anymore.

Technically we can still sign him.

Maybe but realistically we can't.

We just spend our MLE on Frye and our caproom on Warrick. That is only possible if we renounce Amare since we didn't have Fryes or Warricks bird rights.

[BobbieL]

Classic Sarver. Gets into an argument with Amares' agent; takes it persoanlly and because his panties are a in a bunch, signs Warrick. When he could have waited on Warrick and if they lost him, big deal. So instead of relaxing, taking a step back, keeping the option of a sign and trade, he gets all emotional and makes a deal that could have been made later that doesn't allow for sign and trade for Stat now.

Again, Sarver is not cheap. But he is manic, and too emotional and takes things way too personal to be effective. He has a short sighted decision making process.