ESPN Radio: Bosh in negotiations with Rockets

[[SJJ]]

Ariza, Battier, Scola and Picks... please!

[jay632]

unlike other crap teams being mention, rockets have assets... i only hope someone good is coming back.

[Air Canada]

Id like Battier, Brooks, Scola and picks, dont know if theres someway we can throw in Turk of Jose

[J-Roc]

Bosh had better be in discussions with the Rockets because Wade and LeBron have been in meetings the last couple of days to decide their future, while Bosh just follows Wade around with a video camera. Bosh has to have some sort of deal arranged for himself.

[Funky D]

Bosh is the odd man out. The non cool one. He'll soon learn he's not a major star like Wade and LeBron. Will be great to see.

[rapsrealm]

I got this from clutchfans, but an interesting perspective

1. Bosh wants the full max, and preferably the full full max as in SnT 6-year deal. This may or may not have been enough of a priority for him to turn down the Miami deal as a result of having to sacrifice this component.

2. Chicago is trying hard to get Wade to sign straight up and Bosh to sign via SnT but Toronto is proving unwilling in this regard.

3. Bosh would prefer to be with Wade or Lebron as his top choice for future destinations. The Rockets are either a backup plan or a pawn being used for leverage and nothing else.

4. Everything's being held up by Lebron who can't make up his mind yet. But Wade is getting impatient and cannot rely on Miami being able to add other talent if it currently only has two players on rookie contracts on its roster, which is why the whole Chicago thing has come up so suddenly for him.

Up until now everything makes sense, is corroborated by stuff going on in the real world. Everything else in SAS' blog about Bosh trying to make SnT to Houston work, or about NY being a realistic backup for Wade (+ Stoudemire + Johnson) seems like pure conjecture at this point.

I could just as easily make up some logical conclusions like this:

5. At dinner Bosh and Wade talked about what Morey had told him, that three superstars and 9 minimums on a team would not lead to a title, and agreed that Miami was less likely and less prepared for a run than Chicago was. They both agreed to try to give it a shot to take turn their three-man summit into a two-man package to the best team that could support it. And Lebron didn't help either by being such a whiny little beeotch at their last summit meeting that did or did not happen. He can take his sob story for leaving the Cavaliers somewhere, anywhere else.

6. Chicago was deemed the team most prepared to win a title with the insertion of Bosh and Wade, and Henry Thomas was the guy driving this line of thinking from the beginning since he works in Chicago and is a closet Bulls fan though he can't tell his clients that. Bulls management jumped at the chance which they had just one day prior thought passed them by, and all sides were near an agreement until...

7. Toronto spit in their face and told them on no uncertain terms to screw themselves if Deng was their best offer for the SnT. Chicago reacted by hitting the phones hard, looking anywhere for someone that could take Deng off their hands the way Hinrich was moved. Hence that Portland rumor of Deng for Przybilla and Bayless. Chicago went to tell Toronto about the deal and got another flat out rejection since Przybilla and Bayless are even scrubbier than Deng (who isn't actually that scrubby but does make 12M per which would definitely harm a team trying to rebuild like the Raptors).

8. Chicago was left with no better options at the end of the night, and Bosh and Wade departed from the meeting with Henry Thomas and Bulls management without a commitment but a preliminary idea to start up negotiations again the next day with the Raptors and other teams to find a way to push through a SnT for Bosh.

9. Secretly after the meeting, the Bulls management decide to try to talk to Wade alone and let him know that Rose Wade Deng Gibson and Noah are still a stacked Eastern Conf team, and that by adding a non-max but still star-quality PF like Boozer or David Lee they could be just as much title contenders as any other. Hence the Lee rumors that have sprung up.

And that's where we are now. You have the entire story more or less, and you didn't need a faker like Stephen A Smith to fill in the gaps for you either. The Rockets are still #3 on Bosh's list behind Chicago and whichever team Lebron decides to go to. We have to hope that Chicago can't find any way to get Toronto to agree to the SnT, since everyone knows our offer is much better and that Toronto will be pushing Bosh to take the Houston deal. We also have to hope that Lebron doesn't sign somewhere that could put together a pretty good package to offer to Toronto in a SnT for Bosh. My current fear is New Jersey who could serve up Favors + expirings.

[J-Roc]

^^

Great breakdown above. Just about all I have been thinking. We heard something about Chicago looking to trade for a centre. Our hope was it was a replacement for Noah. But it could be that BC told Chicago we need Noah because we're trading a big (Bosh) and need a replacement. Chicago got on the phone to find us a different big.

BC playing hardball. I like it. Keep in mind, if we serve up championships on a platter to say the Bulls, then we have to reconsider what we're doing. Might as well rebuild and plan for 2015 and beyond.

[Fairview4Life]

That breakdown sounds almost too good to be true from a Raps perspective.

A candid picture of BC before rejecting a bunch of **** S&T deals:

[wtcantfw]

I got this from clutchfans, but an interesting perspective

9. Secretly after the meeting, the Bulls management decide to try to talk to Wade alone and let him know that Rose Wade Deng Gibson and Noah are still a stacked Eastern Conf team, and that by adding a non-max but still star-quality PF like Boozer or David Lee they could be just as much title contenders as any other. Hence the Lee rumors that have sprung up.

And that's where we are now. You have the entire story more or less, and you didn't need a faker like Stephen A Smith to fill in the gaps for you either. The Rockets are still #3 on Bosh's list behind Chicago and whichever team Lebron decides to go to. We have to hope that Chicago can't find any way to get Toronto to agree to the SnT, since everyone knows our offer is much better and that Toronto will be pushing Bosh to take the Houston deal. We also have to hope that Lebron doesn't sign somewhere that could put together a pretty good package to offer to Toronto in a SnT for Bosh. My current fear is New Jersey who could serve up Favors + expirings.

Favors, please and thank you.

[anj]

Does anyone else feel we're gearing ourselves up to be profoundly disappointed by the return we get in a S&T?

Favours? I mean, it sounds great, but really?

I suppose if Bosh insists on a max, we have a chance to get something decent, but I still have a hard time believing some of these scenarios.

[Greg Stink]

If Chicago wants a bit more room, they can trade Deng for Hedo in the Bosh deal. It's not like BC would ever take back Deng straight up for Bosh anyway.

And I love how the Favors return is being repeated, though it didn't work out for the Bynum rumour... seems like outright lunacy to me but I'm all aboard. NJ is a great partner for us anyway, that Golden State pick that they have is only protected to #7.

[rapsrealm]

Also a bit more info on the possible sign and trade with the Raptors:

The way things are going we might never get a chance to find out, but the Rockets' sign-and-trade deal would not send three veterans to the Raptors. They have the framework of a deal in place that would include two veterans, likely out of Luis Scola, Trevor Ariza and Shane Battier.

There was a report that the deal would include all three, but Ariza and Battier are due $13.7 million next season. Unless another player in addition to Bosh headed to Houston (and I'm told that is not the case) there would not be enough money in the deal for Scola to take a sign-and-trade offer. He can do better than that.

He could, however, get a rich offer from the Raptors and head that way with one Rockets veteran. It would not be two others.

http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2010/07/bosh ... weeti.html

[Tommy Gun]

Scola/Bargs would be the worst rebounding and defending frontcourt in the league. Why the hell would we want that 30 year old role player?

[wtcantfw]

Does anyone else feel we're gearing ourselves up to be profoundly disappointed by the return we get in a S&T?

Favours? I mean, it sounds great, but really?

I suppose if Bosh insists on a max, we have a chance to get something decent, but I still have a hard time believing some of these scenarios.

Well say LeBron tells New Jersey that he'll sign with them (quite possible), but only if they can swing a S&T to team him up with another one of the max FA's (Bosh or Wade). The Nets would be out of their minds not to give up anyone on their roster for that. And my guess is Bosh would be a better fit than Wade beside LeBron, since both are so ball dominant. Harris-shooter-LeBron-Bosh-Lopez is a scary and well-balanced lineup. If that's the case, I don't think Favors is out of the question at all. But this is all dependent on LeBron wanting to sign in NJ.

[dagger]

Scola/Bargs would be the worst rebounding and defending frontcourt in the league. Why the hell would we want that 30 year old role player?

Are you crazy. Scola is a fine rebounder and defender. I don't want him because he doesn't fit our post-Bosh direction, but don't talk out of your åss, he's a quality mid-level player. I'd rather have him than Ariza. Actually, I'd only want Battier, expirings and picks, but that's another issue. I only want Ariza in an S&T if we can flip him to a team like Denver for Ty Lawson or Aron Afflalo.

[rapsrealm]

Scola/Bargs would be the worst rebounding and defending frontcourt in the league. Why the hell would we want that 30 year old role player?

Are you crazy. Scola is a fine rebounder and defender. I don't want him because he doesn't fit our post-Bosh direction, but don't talk out of your åss, he's a quality mid-level player. I'd rather have him than Ariza. Actually, I'd only want Battier, expirings and picks, but that's another issue. I only want Ariza in an S&T if we can flip him to a team like Denver for Ty Lawson or Aron Afflalo.

It would be difficult to trade him though due to his BYC status, no?

[blueseeka]

I got this from clutchfans, but an interesting perspective

1. Bosh wants the full max, and preferably the full full max as in SnT 6-year deal. This may or may not have been enough of a priority for him to turn down the Miami deal as a result of having to sacrifice this component.

2. Chicago is trying hard to get Wade to sign straight up and Bosh to sign via SnT but Toronto is proving unwilling in this regard.

3. Bosh would prefer to be with Wade or Lebron as his top choice for future destinations. The Rockets are either a backup plan or a pawn being used for leverage and nothing else.

4. Everything's being held up by Lebron who can't make up his mind yet. But Wade is getting impatient and cannot rely on Miami being able to add other talent if it currently only has two players on rookie contracts on its roster, which is why the whole Chicago thing has come up so suddenly for him.

Up until now everything makes sense, is corroborated by stuff going on in the real world. Everything else in SAS' blog about Bosh trying to make SnT to Houston work, or about NY being a realistic backup for Wade (+ Stoudemire + Johnson) seems like pure conjecture at this point.

I could just as easily make up some logical conclusions like this:

5. At dinner Bosh and Wade talked about what Morey had told him, that three superstars and 9 minimums on a team would not lead to a title, and agreed that Miami was less likely and less prepared for a run than Chicago was. They both agreed to try to give it a shot to take turn their three-man summit into a two-man package to the best team that could support it. And Lebron didn't help either by being such a whiny little beeotch at their last summit meeting that did or did not happen. He can take his sob story for leaving the Cavaliers somewhere, anywhere else.

6. Chicago was deemed the team most prepared to win a title with the insertion of Bosh and Wade, and Henry Thomas was the guy driving this line of thinking from the beginning since he works in Chicago and is a closet Bulls fan though he can't tell his clients that. Bulls management jumped at the chance which they had just one day prior thought passed them by, and all sides were near an agreement until...

7. Toronto spit in their face and told them on no uncertain terms to screw themselves if Deng was their best offer for the SnT. Chicago reacted by hitting the phones hard, looking anywhere for someone that could take Deng off their hands the way Hinrich was moved. Hence that Portland rumor of Deng for Przybilla and Bayless. Chicago went to tell Toronto about the deal and got another flat out rejection since Przybilla and Bayless are even scrubbier than Deng (who isn't actually that scrubby but does make 12M per which would definitely harm a team trying to rebuild like the Raptors).

8. Chicago was left with no better options at the end of the night, and Bosh and Wade departed from the meeting with Henry Thomas and Bulls management without a commitment but a preliminary idea to start up negotiations again the next day with the Raptors and other teams to find a way to push through a SnT for Bosh.

9. Secretly after the meeting, the Bulls management decide to try to talk to Wade alone and let him know that Rose Wade Deng Gibson and Noah are still a stacked Eastern Conf team, and that by adding a non-max but still star-quality PF like Boozer or David Lee they could be just as much title contenders as any other. Hence the Lee rumors that have sprung up.

And that's where we are now. You have the entire story more or less, and you didn't need a faker like Stephen A Smith to fill in the gaps for you either. The Rockets are still #3 on Bosh's list behind Chicago and whichever team Lebron decides to go to. We have to hope that Chicago can't find any way to get Toronto to agree to the SnT, since everyone knows our offer is much better and that Toronto will be pushing Bosh to take the Houston deal. We also have to hope that Lebron doesn't sign somewhere that could put together a pretty good package to offer to Toronto in a SnT for Bosh. My current fear is New Jersey who could serve up Favors + expirings.

You would think that Bulls were prepared as it never seemed that the Raps would be interested in Deng with that contract. I love how Bosh is seems like the greedy one when i havent heard anything about a S&T mentioned for either Miami or or Cleveland. If all the above is true or close to the truth, it does seem like Chicago has no interest in giving up Noah. I would guess if it meant the difference between Bosh and Wade or the status quo, they would give up on Noah. Time will tell

[ATLTimekeeper]

Scola/Bargs would be the worst rebounding and defending frontcourt in the league. Why the hell would we want that 30 year old role player?

Scola's rebounding rate isn't far off of Bosh's. I don't know what led you to come to this conclusion.

[ScolaIsBallin]

most definitely SAS...although HOU doesn't sound like a team he would love to prosper and they don't have a huge market...

Don't have a huge market? They have all of China supporting them.

[barrist]

Scola/Bargs would be the worst rebounding and defending frontcourt in the league. Why the hell would we want that 30 year old role player?

Scola's rebounding rate isn't far off of Bosh's. I don't know what led you to come to this conclusion.

Yes, curious indeed.