CPF: Big Man Thread

cpfsf · Post #1 » by **cpfsf** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:15 am

Summary in a few words
Ryan Hollins, Darko Milicic, Kevin Love, Nikola Pekovic, Paulo Prestes, Al Jefferson
Tyrus Thomas or David Lee?

I should note that Paulo Prestes probably won't play in the NBA this year and the Tyrus Thomas rumor originated from Adrian Wojnarowski and I have had trouble finding other sources.

How can you divide minutes between these guys? Even if you trade Al Jefferson, are you going to play Lee, Love, Milicic, and Pekovic 24 minutes each? Kind of sounds like an expensive investment for those minutes. We already know Kevlar wants a bigger role and Lee last season played 37 mpg. A Love/Lee lineup makes me cringe. We can't really S&T Pekovic because he's the closest thing we got to Al Jefferson (at a cheaper prince) and he plays center (Love, Lee, and Thomas aren't centers btw). I don't see the purpose of trading Kevin Love since he's already on a rookie contract.

I think I'd rather pursue Thomas. You can probably give him 20 mpg off the bench to fill out the roster. He would seem like a younger and far cheaper alternative than Lee and we wouldn't have to put all of our eggs in one basket financially. Oh, and he isn't an expensive liability on defense either.

Post #2 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:21 am

Thomas as a 3/4 makes a ton of sense. I fully agree, but the issue is what we can get for Al Jefferson. I would like to target a young athletic 3/4. Randolph would be the best situation.

Lee makes no sense. We need to give Love a chance to flourish and bring in an athlete at the 3/4.

Post #3 » by **Calinks** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:28 am

I don't think Kahn is too high on Love.

AQuintus · Post #4 » by **AQuintus** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:30 am

revprodeji wrote:Thomas as a 3/4 makes a ton of sense.

Not really.

To date Thomas has played 0% of available minutes in 09-10 for Charlotte (5% at C), 0% 09-10 for the Bulls (2% at C), 0% of available minutes in 08-09 at SF (6% at C), 1% of available minutes at SF in 07-08 (8% at C), and 1% of available minutes at SF in 06-0 (2% at C).

Based on his minutes thus far, he's way more of a 4/5 than a 4/3 (and more that than a 3/4).

Swimmer · Post #5 » by **Swimmer** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:32 am

I think that an athletic 3/4 would be best, but I don't think Rambis wants to invest in athletes if they have a low BBIQ (like TT). And please god, don't get us David Lee.

brookswagg · Post #6 » by **brookswagg** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:33 am

hey guys---long time listener, first time caller...

considering the fact that just about everyone and their grandmother agrees that the love/lee combo is extremely redundant, does it make sense that we already have a love-randolph trade agreement in place dependent on moving al and signing lee??

Krapinsky · Post #7 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:40 am

Let's be realistic. David Lee is not coming here. There is zero chance of that happening. He just spent the last 5 years playing on a lousy team. For even money the guy is going to go to a team that is in a better position to win now.

Post #8 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:44 am

AQuintus wrote:
revprodeji wrote:Thomas as a 3/4 makes a ton of sense.

Not really.

To date Thomas has played 0% of available minutes in 09-10 for Charlotte (5% at C), 0% 09-10 for the Bulls (2% at C), 0% of available minutes in 08-09 at SF (6% at C), 1% of available minutes at SF in 07-08 (8% at C), and 1% of available minutes at SF in 06-0 (2% at C).

Based on his minutes thus far, he's way more of a 4/5 than a 4/3 (and more that than a 3/4).

Offensively we claim the 1-4 is interchangable. (Not sure, but sure whatever). My idea is that Ty is going to do whatever he normally does offensively regardless of position. I believe he has the athletic ability to defend bigger 3's and face up 4s.

Post #9 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:46 am

Calinks wrote:I don't think Kahn is too high on Love.

It doesn't matter what Kahn thinks of him, he doesn't make the rotations.

Rambo is on record as saying that Love was one of the major reasons he took this job. He ain't going nowhere.

Swimmer · Post #10 » by **Swimmer** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:46 am

Calinks wrote:I don't think Kahn is too high on Love.

Yeah, but Rambis is, right?

Krapinsky wrote:Let's be realistic. David Lee is not coming here. There is zero chance of that happening. He just spent the last 5 years playing on a lousy team. For even money the guy is going to go to a team that is in a better position to win now.

Why is it even money? Maybe we're willing to offer more. I hope Lee doesn't come here, but I think the chances are greater than 0%.

Post #11 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:48 am

Krapinsky wrote:Let's be realistic. David Lee is not coming here. There is zero chance of that happening. He just spent the last 5 years playing on a lousy team. For even money the guy is going to go to a team that is in a better position to win now.

The Knicks were a lousy team because they only cared about this offseason. The Wolves have a clear vision for the future, and aren't putting all their eggs in one basket.

Krapinsky · Post #12 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:06 am

Klomp wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Let's be realistic. David Lee is not coming here. There is zero chance of that happening. He just spent the last 5 years playing on a lousy team. For even money the guy is going to go to a team that is in a better position to win now.

The Knicks were a lousy team because they only cared about this offseason. The Wolves have a clear vision for the future, and aren't putting all their eggs in one basket.

Still far away from winning.

Krapinsky · Post #13 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:08 am

Swimmer wrote:
Calinks wrote:I don't think Kahn is too high on Love.

Yeah, but Rambis is, right?

Krapinsky wrote:Let's be realistic. David Lee is not coming here. There is zero chance of that happening. He just spent the last 5 years playing on a lousy team. For even money the guy is going to go to a team that is in a better position to win now.

Why is it even money? Maybe we're willing to offer more. I hope Lee doesn't come here, but I think the chances are greater than 0%.

Because other teams will be much more desperate than us.

Darko Miliminutes · Post #14 » by **Darko Miliminutes** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:14 am

Klomp wrote:
Calinks wrote:I don't think Kahn is too high on Love.

It doesn't matter what Kahn thinks of him, he doesn't make the rotations.

Rambo is on record as saying that Love was one of the major reasons he took this job. He ain't going nowhere.

That was before he fell in love with the serbian swatter. Minny needs a star 2, love or Al could probably get that for them. Especially when trading a big for a small. Bigs will often gain the trading team a bit more in return. Their is opportunity here, that's likely worth exploring.

**** oh yeah, EFFF David Lee. He's a no D stat whore.

Post #15 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:19 am

I am pretty sure he reinforced it at the Town Hall Meeting.

cpfsf · Post #16 » by **cpfsf** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:48 am

brookswagg wrote:hey guys---long time listener, first time caller...

considering the fact that just about everyone and their grandmother agrees that the love/lee combo is extremely redundant, does it make sense that we already have a love-randolph trade agreement in place dependent on moving al and signing lee??

Hard to tell what they want. I can't even get a decent assessment from viewing their board, but it's my understanding Randolph trades are pretty much dead.

Krapinsky · Post #17 » by **Krapinsky** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 4:45 am

Could be that Pekovic could be traded -- Kahn said Love and Lee could play some together. Could be that Kahn is merely trying to show the fan base that he is trying, but realistically knows we have no shot of signing Lee. Could be that he would try and move Love for a swingman.

cpfsf · Post #18 » by **cpfsf** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:26 am

I'm on the I wish I had Thomas bandwagon. He wouldn't be overpaid like Lee to play 24 mpg. I think we've come to the conclusion that Lee and Love won't be on the same team for that reason. From what I've read online and seen (like 2 games) he can play defense. I guess the last reason is he still has potential. I know that's a stretch, but he's 23 years old. We would have 2 defensive bigs and 2 offensive bigs simply by adding Thomas. I think it could create some mismatch potential and plenty of different possibilities. I think we would hold the keys to the best bench in the NBA with Pekovic, Thomas, Brewer, Ellington, and Sessions (or Flynn). All that's needed is a 2011 pick (don't be mad), Wesley Johnson, and Ricky Rubio.

I looked at the Charlotte board and they really seem to like Jefferson. I don't believe we could trade him for Jefferson straight up essentially, but I'm sure something can be arranged. I'm not going to figure a trade proposal because I have to go to sleep, but I'm probably going to stay awake for no reason anyway.

TRUEwolvesFAN04 · Post #19 » by **TRUEwolvesFAN04** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 6:59 pm

cpfsf wrote:I'm on the I wish I had Thomas bandwagon. He wouldn't be overpaid like Lee to play 24 mpg. I think we've come to the conclusion that Lee and Love won't be on the same team for that reason. From what I've read online and seen (like 2 games) he can play defense. I guess the last reason is he still has potential. I know that's a stretch, but he's 23 years old. We would have 2 defensive bigs and 2 offensive bigs simply by adding Thomas. I think it could create some mismatch potential and plenty of different possibilities. I think we would hold the keys to the best bench in the NBA with Pekovic, Thomas, Brewer, Ellington, and Sessions (or Flynn). All that's needed is a 2011 pick (don't be mad), Wesley Johnson, and Ricky Rubio.

I looked at the Charlotte board and they really seem to like Jefferson. I don't believe we could trade him for Jefferson straight up essentially, but I'm sure something can be arranged. I'm not going to figure a trade proposal because I have to go to sleep, but I'm probably going to stay awake for no reason anyway.

I know this would have to blow Charlotte's mind, but I think we should press hard for Gerald Wallace as our 2. Maybe something along the lines of AL + Ellington/Hollins + future 1st for Wallace + Bad contract. I know it would be hard to get Wallace, but I would absolutely love to see him in a Twolves uniform.

Darko/Pek
Love/Pek
Johnson/Webster
Wallace/Brewer
Flynn/Sessions

It's definitely a great start, if you ask me.

Esohny · Post #20 » by **Esohny** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 8:16 pm

cpfsf wrote:I'm on the I wish I had Thomas bandwagon. He wouldn't be overpaid like Lee to play 24 mpg. I think we've come to the conclusion that Lee and Love won't be on the same team for that reason. From what I've read online and seen (like 2 games) he can play defense. I guess the last reason is he still has potential. I know that's a stretch, but he's 23 years old. We would have 2 defensive bigs and 2 offensive bigs simply by adding Thomas. I think it could create some mismatch potential and plenty of different possibilities. I think we would hold the keys to the best bench in the NBA with Pekovic, Thomas, Brewer, Ellington, and Sessions (or Flynn). All that's needed is a 2011 pick (don't be mad), Wesley Johnson, and Ricky Rubio.

I looked at the Charlotte board and they really seem to like Jefferson. I don't believe we could trade him for Jefferson straight up essentially, but I'm sure something can be arranged. I'm not going to figure a trade proposal because I have to go to sleep, but I'm probably going to stay awake for no reason anyway.

Meh. I think that Thomas will get something ridiculous like 8-9 million a year (I mean, if Amir got 7/year come on), which is majorly overpaying for a 3rd/4th big.