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Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#1 » by JMac1 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 1:31 pm

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League sources said yesterday that the Celts have expressed trade interest in guards Leandro Barbosa of Phoenix and Rudy Fernandez of Portland. Boston Herald

Boston Celtics, Portland Trail Blazers, Trade, Rudy Fernandez, Leandro Barbosa | share
The Celtics probably are using Rasheed Wallace’s contract in their attempt to acquire Barbosa, who averaged 9.5 points in 17.9 minutes for the Suns this season. Boston Herald

Boston Celtics, Trade, Rasheed Wallace | share
Sources indicated that Danny Ainge and the Celts are seeing what they might be able to work out with Rasheed Wallace’s contract. The club could conceivably deal him and something else for a key piece and let him retire with another club, thereby giving the other team the benefit of the relief that would come from his expected retirement and buyout. Boston Herald


Kinda of late since we aren't going for Dirk, Bosh or Lee. We could have traded LB, let Amare walk and created a lot of cap space. Now it only gets us out of Barbosa contract 2 yrs early. If we aren't planning on doing anything why trade LB, right?

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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#2 » by Calvin Klein » Sun Jul 4, 2010 1:46 pm

some people were calling this a pipe dream....
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#3 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 1:46 pm

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sarver pulls this trade. Instant saving in the same way we saved from Ben Wallace's "retirement" buyout. But I don't see why Celtics wants LB, he's probably got the lowest defensive IQ on our team, can't see how he would fit.

But I agree, if we aren't making savings from an LB trade to go after Lee/Dirk/ETC, then we might as well keep him. Gives us more depth and a possible return of an impact player.
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#4 » by Nando88 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 1:57 pm

i think KG would make LB cry
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#5 » by Nando88 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 1:58 pm

JMac1 wrote:Hoopshype:

League sources said yesterday that the Celts have expressed trade interest in guards Leandro Barbosa of Phoenix and Rudy Fernandez of Portland. Boston Herald

Boston Celtics, Portland Trail Blazers, Trade, Rudy Fernandez, Leandro Barbosa | share
The Celtics probably are using Rasheed Wallace’s contract in their attempt to acquire Barbosa, who averaged 9.5 points in 17.9 minutes for the Suns this season. Boston Herald

Boston Celtics, Trade, Rasheed Wallace | share
Sources indicated that Danny Ainge and the Celts are seeing what they might be able to work out with Rasheed Wallace’s contract. The club could conceivably deal him and something else for a key piece and let him retire with another club, thereby giving the other team the benefit of the relief that would come from his expected retirement and buyout. Boston Herald


Kinda of late since we aren't going for Dirk, Bosh or Lee. We could have traded LB, let Amare walk and created a lot of cap space. Now it only gets us out of Barbosa contract 2 yrs early. If we aren't planning on doing anything why trade LB, right?

Who is available in 2011?


Carmelo Anthony
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#6 » by JMac1 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:18 pm

Nando88 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Hoopshype:

League sources said yesterday that the Celts have expressed trade interest in guards Leandro Barbosa of Phoenix and Rudy Fernandez of Portland. Boston Herald

Boston Celtics, Portland Trail Blazers, Trade, Rudy Fernandez, Leandro Barbosa | share
The Celtics probably are using Rasheed Wallace’s contract in their attempt to acquire Barbosa, who averaged 9.5 points in 17.9 minutes for the Suns this season. Boston Herald

Boston Celtics, Trade, Rasheed Wallace | share
Sources indicated that Danny Ainge and the Celts are seeing what they might be able to work out with Rasheed Wallace’s contract. The club could conceivably deal him and something else for a key piece and let him retire with another club, thereby giving the other team the benefit of the relief that would come from his expected retirement and buyout. Boston Herald


Kinda of late since we aren't going for Dirk, Bosh or Lee. We could have traded LB, let Amare walk and created a lot of cap space. Now it only gets us out of Barbosa contract 2 yrs early. If we aren't planning on doing anything why trade LB, right?

Who is available in 2011?


Carmelo Anthony


Would he be a good fit for our style?
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#7 » by JMac1 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:21 pm

I'd might let Wallace play it out. He played good defense on Gasol in the WCFs. Then we could start Frye and Bring Wallace of off the bench.

Nash/Dragic
JRich/Dudley
Hill/Clark
Frye/Warrick
Lopez/Sheed

1st unit PnR Lopez stretch with Frye. 2nd Unit PnR Warrick stretch with Sheed. We'd always have a post defender in there. This team is much better defensively against LAL than with Amare.

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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#8 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:22 pm

I don't want Melo. Not for a max deal. Just putting it out there.
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#9 » by JMac1 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:32 pm

JMac1 wrote:I'd might let Wallace play it out. He played good defense on Gasol in the WCFs. Then we could start Frye and Bring Wallace of off the bench.

Nash/Dragic
JRich/Dudley
Hill/Clark
Frye/Warrick
Lopez/Sheed

1st unit PnR Lopez stretch with Frye. 2nd Unit PnR Warrick stretch with Sheed. We'd always have a post defender in there. This team is much better defensively against LAL than with Amare.

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Just thinking about it

Nash/Fisher
JRich/Kobe
Hill/Artest
Wallace/Gasol
Lopez/Bynum

Dragic/Blake
Dudley/Sasha
Clark/Walton
Warrick/Odom
Frye/Mbenga

We'd be right back in the WCF with that team, no? We have the height and 2 stretch 4s plus Rasheed toughness/craziness.

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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#10 » by Nando88 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:38 pm

Sheed would not want to play for us.... i think he would take the ben wallace route
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#11 » by JMac1 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:43 pm

Nando88 wrote:Sheed would not want to play for us.... i think he would take the ben wallace route


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Post#12 » by Frank Lee » Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:00 pm

I get the feeling Ainge is just messing with us.... knowing how Phnx had thoughts of jettisoning contracts to clear space... but then releasing Stat and committing to Warrick....doh!

This deal can only cause problems here, as it would disappoint the team/fan base to have another player 'sold off'. And it doesn't really provide much cap space or financial relief.... Its a win win for Ainge, if Sarver is dumb/cheap enough to bite. Danny and Doc are probably chuckling right now, knowing this news is filtering down. Don't get played Robert. They all want a piece of your pompous hide.

Oh... and someone needs to call Barbs, and tell him its just a rumor started in Boston.
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#13 » by JMac1 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:07 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I get the feeling Ainge is just messing with us.... knowing how Phnx had thoughts of jettisoning contracts to clear space... but then releasing Stat and committing to Warrick....doh!

This deal can only cause problems here, as it would disappoint the team/fan base to have another player 'sold off'. And it doesn't really provide much cap space or financial relief.... Its a win win for Ainge, if Sarver is dumb/cheap enough to bite. Danny and Doc are probably chuckling right now, knowing this news is filtering down. Don't get played Robert. They all want a piece of your pompous hide.

Oh... and someone needs to call Barbs, and tell him its just a rumor started in Boston.


So you don't think Sheed can help us more than LB?? Sheed attitude, post defense and floor spacing ability is crucial in a series against LAL. LB doesn't help us do anything. He still has ability, but Dudley, LB and Dragic is redundant. LB has a lot of game left and he is better than Wallace at his position, by far, but we really don't need LB.
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#14 » by Nando88 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:45 pm

Frank Lee wrote:

Oh... and someone needs to call Barbs, and tell him its just a rumor started in Boston.


he's probably crying to dan d'antoni on the phone as we speak
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Post#15 » by 7Insomniac » Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:00 pm

Sheed already retired
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Post#16 » by wordsenuff » Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:07 pm

sheed will never be a sun. Bos will only trade him if he retires, along with some pine poney rider. not worth it. keep LB! we can get a way better trade down the line.
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#17 » by wordsenuff » Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:08 pm

7Insomniac wrote:Sheed already retired

he's still thinking about it
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#18 » by justin1093 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:10 pm

NOO dont it it,rasheed is only adding age to our team and would end up just retiring next season if he does come back and why do we wanna take his 12 mil contract? anyways he just wouldnt fit
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#19 » by JMac1 » Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:14 pm

justin1093 wrote:NOO dont it it,rasheed is only adding age to our team and would end up just retiring next season if he does come back and why do we wanna take his 12 mil contract? anyways he just wouldnt fit


His defense on Gasol would fit.
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Re: Celts Interested in Barbosa 

Post#20 » by BobbieL » Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:33 pm

First off - a little too little a little too late. Needed this deal BEFORE july 1st so we could be well under the cap

That being said - the key about a trade with LB is not for this coming season. Its for the 2011-2012 (potential lockout season) - and having him off the books for that year

So, with respect to the coming season - I think Rasheed makes some sense. Low post scorer, defender - would be the back up center so to speak to Lopez; does have a low post game. Would eliminate the need for a Kurt Thomas type and then could sign a guard to rotate with Nash, Dragic and JRich

I probably am just negative towards LB as we have seen such a regression in his game. HIs ability to score with losing Amar'e would be huge if he could get back to 15-18 points per game. Not sure he ever will be that guy again

So, if the Suns could swing a deal that ensures that the contract is off the books after this coming season, I think I am all for it. That would create lots of cap space and opportunities to take on contracts.

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