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SideSwipe · Post #1 » by **SideSwipe** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 8:30 pm

With me still worried about what our front line will be like I am trying to find a couple of good scenarios that might improve our lineup. How about this:

PHX trades:
Richardson
CAVS trade:
Varejao, Moon, Parker

Nash/ Dragic
Parker/ Barbosa
Hill/ Dudley/ Clark
Varejao/ Gawal/ Moon/ Collins
Lopez/ Frye

PHX trades in Richardsons outside scoring, and fast break runs for a better interior defensive presence, a better outside defensive presence and athletes that can still all finish on the break. Thoughts from PHX?

justin1093 · Post #2 » by **justin1093** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 8:41 pm

why would u trade our top scorer for nobodys?

SideSwipe · Post #3 » by **SideSwipe** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 8:57 pm

It is funny how everybody is on the Richardson bandwagon now after disparraging him all of last year. Talk about wishy-washy. Everyone out there needs to learn what Richardson is and what he isn't. He was never as bad a player as he was being made out to be last year, and I dare say he is not as good a plyer as he is being made out to be this year. He had some great games in the playoffs, and is an exciting player to watch. He did look like he was finally getting comfortable, but outside shooting is a replaceable commodity. I like J-Rich and don't take this trade possibility easily, but I do have concerns about our font line, and Richardson or Barbosa are the best ways to shore that up, because we have one too many quality wings. At this point Varejao is not a nobody, and is quite good defensively, and he has a nasty streak that could match Lopez's own nasty streak, which frankly PHX needs to get to be effective defensively. Perker is a great 3pt shooter and a good defender, and moon is a quality athlete who can finish on the break.

justin1093 · Post #4 » by **justin1093** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 9:00 pm

well its not about being on someones bandwagon and if amares gone jrich is obviously gonna be our top go-to scorer so why trade that for 3 random guys that havent done anything for their team,it may make sense to you but it sounds pretty stupid

DirtyDez · Post #5 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 9:40 pm

I'd do it because we'd get a 1st team all defender in AV and a 3 point sharp-shooter in Parker. Not a big fan of AV's floppage but he makes the team better so i'm down.

justin1093 · Post #6 » by **justin1093** » Sun Jul 4, 2010 9:51 pm

so who do we have to pick up the slack, its best for nash to be the play maker so who is all of a sudden the best scorer and can be relied on to drop 20+ everynight and carry us scoring wise ?

SideSwipe · Post #7 » by **SideSwipe** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 5:44 am

The scoring question is valid, but just for keeping tracks sake, the starting lineup would be losing roughly 37 points per game by taking out Richardson and Amare. Parker will be good for 12 to 15, and varejao will be good for at least 10. Lopez can up his total to about 18 per game, while Hill ups his total to about 15. Then the bench and new guys make up for the rest on our way to our 110 point average. Robin playing the PNR makes a good difference for PHX, as well as Parker being able to nail wide-open catch and shoot 3pointers.

justin1093 · Post #8 » by **justin1093** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 6:03 am

whatever floats your boat...

raff · Post #9 » by **raff** » Mon Jul 5, 2010 6:03 am

SideSwipe wrote:Everyone out there needs to learn what Richardson is and what he isn't. He was never as bad a player as he was being made out to be last year, and I dare say he is not as good a plyer as he is being made out to be this year. He had some great games in the playoffs, and is an exciting player to watch.

That is a very good point you make about Richardson.

The trade isn't a bad idea. I'm not really a fan of Moon, and Parker seems to be inconsistent, especially from the few games I've seen. I just wonder how important Varejao is to CLE in trying to keep LeBron.

I think a good front court player to put along side Lopez would be a decent rebounder/defender (a given) but who can also hit a jumper, or face up and take their man to the hole. A Lopez/Varejao front court would be nice, but would struggle to consistently score.

call.me.dude · Post #10 » by **call.me.dude** » Tue Jul 6, 2010 6:30 pm

SideSwipe wrote:The scoring question is valid, but just for keeping tracks sake, the starting lineup would be losing roughly 37 points per game by taking out Richardson and Amare. Parker will be good for 12 to 15, and varejao will be good for at least 10. Lopez can up his total to about 18 per game, while Hill ups his total to about 15. Then the bench and new guys make up for the rest on our way to our 110 point average. Robin playing the PNR makes a good difference for PHX, as well as Parker being able to nail wide-open catch and shoot 3pointers.

In what alternate universe does Robin Lopez get 18 ppg next season?

Also, Varejao more than 10 (although that's probably the most realistic of those)? Hill back to 15? Parker more than doubling his average to 15?

I don't think so.

Post #11 » by **Miklo** » Tue Jul 6, 2010 6:39 pm

Robin Lopez averaging 18 PPG is probably doubtful but definitely not ridiculous. He actually moves very effectively in receiving the ball from Nash, and depending on Warrick's output in that category we could end up relying on RoLo quite a bit.

SideSwipe · Post #12 » by **SideSwipe** » Tue Jul 6, 2010 9:10 pm

Call me dude, all you have to do is look at efficiency numbers and possessions. The only reason Hill doesn't come up with those numers now isn't because he isn't efficient with his shooting, its because he doesn't get the attempts. Parker could very well go 5 for 11 from 3 pointers every game. That's 15 points. J Rich is currentyl getting more than 11 looks, and if he doesn't get open at the 3pt line, he move in and dish to the open 3-ball, or take it to the hoop.

Robin Lopez is very capable of getting 18 points per game getting more touches from Nash. He does great at the line, and has developed an 18 foot (crazy flat) jumpshot, and continues to expand his back to the basket game. I think these numbers are definitely achievable. Either way, I think we have enough finishers to make up the difference to a point, while far improving our defensive efficiency.

SideSwipe · Post #13 » by **SideSwipe** » Tue Jul 6, 2010 9:11 pm

Call me dude, all you have to do is look at efficiency numbers and possessions. The only reason Hill doesn't come up with those numers now isn't because he isn't efficient with his shooting, its because he doesn't get the attempts. Parker could very well go 5 for 11 from 3 pointers every game. That's 15 points. J Rich is currentyl getting more than 11 looks, and if he doesn't get open at the 3pt line, he move in and dish to the open 3-ball, or take it to the hoop.

Robin Lopez is very capable of getting 18 points per game getting more touches from Nash. He does great at the line, and has developed an 18 foot (crazy flat) jumpshot, and continues to expand his back to the basket game. I think these numbers are definitely achievable. Either way, I think we have enough finishers to make up the difference to a point, while far improving our defensive efficiency.

SideSwipe · Post #14 » by **SideSwipe** » Tue Jul 6, 2010 9:16 pm

Also, I thought it was ironoic that the day after I opened this thread there is a rumor about us going after Moon and West for Barbosa. Moon is the forgotten player in the discussion above, hist three point shooting is really good, and he has a knack for amazing plays.

SideSwipe · Post #15 » by **SideSwipe** » Tue Jul 6, 2010 9:17 pm

Also, I thought it was ironoic that the day after I opened this thread there is a rumor about us going after Moon and West for Barbosa. Moon is the forgotten player in the discussion above, hist three point shooting is really good, and he has a knack for amazing plays.