Wallace and Thomas

[zapatasblood]

If the Rockets do not land Chris Bosh I hope they would look to get Gerald Wallace and Tyrus Thomas. Both these players bring something that we strongly need and that is defense.

Rocket get: Tyrus Thomas, Gerald Wallace, and a expiring contract like Nazr Mohammed

Bobcats get: Trevor Ariza, Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola, and one future 1st round pick maybe two.

If we get Mohammed then we would have more expiring contracts for 2011-2012 and we would not have to sign Brad Miller because Mohammed is a good back center. We would have to go and fill the point guard back up but there are some decent back up but they are nothing compared to Lowry. C.J. Waston, Jannero Pargo, Earl Watson, Shannon Brown, Carlos Arroyo, Luke Ridnour, Nate Robinson, Shaun Livingston, maybe Derrick Fisher would be down to come off the bench

[HTown_TMac]

Ill take Wallace, not Thomas

And your package seems kinda steep.

[Moreyball]

Gerald Wallace's trade value is nowhere close to that. FYI

[YoungMoney23]

That deal is a joke

[Mr. E]

Heinous value of this trade aside, I don't think that you can Sign & Trade two players in one deal.

[M4P]

Why would the Rockets or Bobcats do that? We can get better deals with those NYK picks.

[rocketsballin]

lmao, that's one of the stupidest trades i've seen. future 1st rounder MAYBE 2? lmao, get the **** outta here. how about you include lebron for the mle, MAYBE wade too?

[moofs]

Go away.

Bring back something like a Amare trade or something. We'll shoot it down too, but it'd be better than this tripe - I even like Gerald Wallace.

[rocketsballin]

and one future 1st round pick maybe two.

"maybe two" lmao, funniest part. i cant stop laughing. wat do u think ur daryl morey lmao, get outta here

[rocketsballin]

just for fun, im gonna exaggerate wat i was thinking when i read this

If the Rockets do not land Chris Bosh I hope they would look to get Gerald Wallace and Tyrus Thomas. Both these players bring something that we strongly need and that is defense.

hmm, dont need more undersized fantasies for morey, but w/e, ima fan of wallace

Rocket get: Tyrus Thomas, Gerald Wallace, and a expiring contract like Nazr Mohammed

pretty good, we finally get a backup center who's not two thousand years old or 6'6. on top of that we get some front court defense, not bad. now what do we have to give up?

Bobcats get: Trevor Ariza, Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola, and one future 1st round pick maybe two.

WHAT! ARE YOU OUT, OF YOUR F****G MIND? we lose 2 starters and the best backup point guard in the league, AND a first round pick? MAYBE TWO? i hope this is a joke

If we get Mohammed then we would have more expiring contracts for 2011-2012 and we would not have to sign Brad Miller because Mohammed is a good back center. We would have to go and fill the point guard back up but there are some decent back up but they are nothing compared to Lowry. C.J. Waston, Jannero Pargo, Earl Watson, Shannon Brown, Carlos Arroyo, Luke Ridnour, Nate Robinson, Shaun Livingston, maybe Derrick Fisher would be down to come off the bench

wait, so this wasnt a joke? did i miss something? w/e , this trade sucks

[zapatasblood]

Those NYK picks are not going to be so good once Amare signs with them. Plus they have a good chance of getting James but I think he may end up in Miami with Wade. NYK still would have plenty of money to use and fill their roster with players that can get them out of the Lottery. Oh yeah the Rockets own one of the Knicks picks outright as long as it is not in the top 5and can only swap it if that pick if it is 2nd overall to 30th and can only get the other pick if it is not in the top five. The only regret I would have is trading Lowry. I would rather have Tyrus Thomas in the starting 4 spot along side Yao rather Scola. Yao needs some one that can defend and rebound since Yao a truly good rebounder. Hayes played damn good along side Yao when he started at the 4 since all he had to do was guard the post. Tyrus is a lot like Hayes but is a better scorer and bigger. Wallace is one the better defenders and SFs in the league. A hell of a lot better then Battier and Ariza. Wallace also give us something that we need and that is a finisher at the basket. **** he is a better rebounder then anyone on the Rockets. Once again Nazr gives us a true backup center and not that bad of a backup.

Wallace
Pts. 18
REB. 10
AST. 2
STL. 1.5
Blk. 1

Thomas in only 22 min a game
PTS. 9.4
REB. 6
AST. 1
STL. 1
BLK. 1
Both these players are better then Scola and Ariza. Lowry would be the only step back but you can't add something with out losing something. Once again we have no clue what the Knicks are going to do in free agency. Their names are floating around Bosh, Amare, Monte Elles, Tony Parker, Lebron and Jefferson. If they get a combination of two of those players then they would go to the playoff thus making the value of those future pick less. If they end up signing nothing but trash then i would not put two in the package. Also these deals can wait until a week or two when all the Big names will have picked and sign with their new or old team.

Both of these players would be starters . Also can be All NBA Defensive first team and Defensive players of the year. This team need defense and rebounding more then they need offense

Now I don't know if you can do 2 sign and trades in one deal but if you can't then the deal is dead before it is even started.

[zapatasblood]

Oh yeah let us not forget that Morey is running this team could very well put a package far less then what i threw out there. For better players out there.

[Teckon]

Rocket get: Tyrus Thomas, Gerald Wallace, and a expiring contract like Nazr Mohammed

Bobcats get: Trevor Ariza, Kyle Lowry, Luis Scola, and one future 1st round pick maybe two.

Gerald Wallace can play 3 positions but he is not an upgrade over Scola in PF position.
Tyrus is not really needed by the rockets especially with J. Hill and P.Paterson onboard.
Nazr maybe good to have as a backup C but even his trade value is Lowry/Ariza, the answer is no.
The picks are out of questions. In any case, Bobcats should be the one giving picks.

[M4P]

Those NYK picks are not going to be so good once Amare signs with them. Plus they have a good chance of getting James but I think he may end up in Miami with Wade. NYK still would have plenty of money to use and fill their roster with players that can get them out of the Lottery. Oh yeah the Rockets own one of the Knicks picks outright as long as it is not in the top 5and can only swap it if that pick if it is 2nd overall to 30th and can only get the other pick if it is not in the top five. The only regret I would have is trading Lowry. I would rather have Tyrus Thomas in the starting 4 spot along side Yao rather Scola. Yao needs some one that can defend and rebound since Yao a truly good rebounder. Hayes played damn good along side Yao when he started at the 4 since all he had to do was guard the post. Tyrus is a lot like Hayes but is a better scorer and bigger. Wallace is one the better defenders and SFs in the league. A hell of a lot better then Battier and Ariza. Wallace also give us something that we need and that is a finisher at the basket. **** he is a better rebounder then anyone on the Rockets. Once again Nazr gives us a true backup center and not that bad of a backup.

Both these players are better then Scola and Ariza. Lowry would be the only step back but you can't add something with out losing something. Once again we have no clue what the Knicks are going to do in free agency. Their names are floating around Bosh, Amare, Monte Elles, Tony Parker, Lebron and Jefferson. If they get a combination of two of those players then they would go to the playoff thus making the value of those future pick less. If they end up signing nothing but trash then i would not put two in the package. Also these deals can wait until a week or two when all the Big names will have picked and sign with their new or old team.

Both of these players would be starters . Also can be All NBA Defensive first team and Defensive players of the year. This team need defense and rebounding more then they need offense

Now I don't know if you can do 2 sign and trades in one deal but if you can't then the deal is dead before it is even started.

I don't know why you're so high on Thomas. He's athletic, but he's also a dunce with no bball IQ. Do you honestly think that he can fill the void left by Scola? He couldn't even start in Chicago when they were depleted with bigs. Doesn't that doesn't tell you something about his skills and attitude?

Wallace is a great player, but what makes you think that Charlotte would even consider swapping him for Scola and Ariza? They've been 'rebuilding' for the last couple of years now - do you really think that they'd be willing to continue to suck after tanking the last couple of years? Do you honestly think that an Ariza swap would improve their team? Like you said before, Wallace is an All NBA Defender to them and is crucial for their success. He's what we hope Ariza will someday be. Swapping Ariza and Scola for Wallace and Thomas would be negatives for both teams since both sides lose out on the deals. The Rockets will have a gaping hole at the 4, while the Bobcats will be stuck in mediocrity with Scola and Ariza as their core. They lose out on their star player and crowd draw, while our front court gets even thinner.

Also why would the Bobcats be interested in Lowry when they can just re-sign a similar player in Felton? I'm not even going to go in-depth with the NYK picks since those picks are probably our most valuable assets.

[zapatasblood]

I don't know why you're so high on Thomas. He's athletic, but he's also a dunce with no bball IQ. Do you honestly think that he can fill the void left by Scola? He couldn't even start in Chicago when they were depleted with bigs. Doesn't that doesn't tell you something about his skills and attitude?

Wallace is a great player, but what makes you think that Charlotte would even consider swapping him for Scola and Ariza? They've been 'rebuilding' for the last couple of years now - do you really think that they'd be willing to continue to suck after tanking the last couple of years? Do you honestly think that an Ariza swap would improve their team? Like you said before, Wallace is an All NBA Defender to them and is crucial for their success. He's what we hope Ariza will someday be. Swapping Ariza and Scola for Wallace and Thomas would be negatives for both teams since both sides lose out on the deals. The Rockets will have a gaping hole at the 4, while the Bobcats will be stuck in mediocrity with Scola and Ariza as their core. They lose out on their star player and crowd draw, while our front court gets even thinner.

Also why would the Bobcats be interested in Lowry when they can just re-sign a similar player in Felton?

I really don't think this trade is feasible but rather wish full thinking. I would not consider Wallace a great player but more of a 3 option on a good team specially with a team that has AB, Martin, and Yao. He can score but he is not a shot taker but rather someone the cuts to the rim and defends.

If the Bobcats are in rebuild mode Wallace and Jackson will be big assets to trade to contenders. Those players would bring young player and draft picks. Now I am not high on Tyrus and don't think he is truly as good as Scola on the offensive end but is far better then Scola defensively. Once again he brings something that we need and that is a low post defender and rebounder. This team has offense in the starting lineup: AB, Martin, Yao and offense off the bench: Budinger, Paterson, Taylor. Okay back to rebuilding of the Bobcats. Both Ariza and Lowry are both 24 years of age and Lowry will not get a big contract for he is a backup. Ariza us signed for a MLE with is $5.5 mil over five years, which I bet that is the same contract Lowry will end up signing. Scola would work for them because they have nobody to score in the post but if they are hell bent on rebuilding then we switch out our two expiring contracts for one of theirs. As I have repeatedly we need defense more then offense. Name one team that has made it to the Finals that is only offense in the past five years. Defense wins it all that is what we need.

Felton is not going to sign with them and the Bobcats have not even tried to resign him. Felton will cost more the Lowry and they used a high lottery pick on D.J. so Felton is going to walk. The Rockets frontcourt will not be weak and the 4 spot will not have a gaping hole. Being 3 deep in the 4 will not a gaping hole. Sure the scoring will drop at the four but the defense overall will counter act that.

Rockets have a number of assets that can be package to get a lot of other players.

[M4P]

I don't know why you're so high on Thomas. He's athletic, but he's also a dunce with no bball IQ. Do you honestly think that he can fill the void left by Scola? He couldn't even start in Chicago when they were depleted with bigs. Doesn't that doesn't tell you something about his skills and attitude?

Wallace is a great player, but what makes you think that Charlotte would even consider swapping him for Scola and Ariza? They've been 'rebuilding' for the last couple of years now - do you really think that they'd be willing to continue to suck after tanking the last couple of years? Do you honestly think that an Ariza swap would improve their team? Like you said before, Wallace is an All NBA Defender to them and is crucial for their success. He's what we hope Ariza will someday be. Swapping Ariza and Scola for Wallace and Thomas would be negatives for both teams since both sides lose out on the deals. The Rockets will have a gaping hole at the 4, while the Bobcats will be stuck in mediocrity with Scola and Ariza as their core. They lose out on their star player and crowd draw, while our front court gets even thinner.

Also why would the Bobcats be interested in Lowry when they can just re-sign a similar player in Felton?

I really don't think this trade is feasible but rather wish full thinking. I would not consider Wallace a great player but more of a 3 option on a good team specially with a team that has AB, Martin, and Yao. He can score but he is not a shot taker but rather someone the cuts to the rim and defends.

If the Bobcats are in rebuild mode Wallace and Jackson will be big assets to trade to contenders. Those players would bring young player and draft picks. Now I am not high on Tyrus and don't think he is truly as good as Scola on the offensive end but is far better then Scola defensively. Once again he brings something that we need and that is a low post defender and rebounder. This team has offense in the starting lineup: AB, Martin, Yao and offense off the bench: Budinger, Paterson, Taylor. Okay back to rebuilding of the Bobcats. Both Ariza and Lowry are both 24 years of age and Lowry will not get a big contract for he is a backup. Ariza us signed for a MLE with is $5.5 mil over five years, which I bet that is the same contract Lowry will end up signing. Scola would work for them because they have nobody to score in the post but if they are hell bent on rebuilding then we switch out our two expiring contracts for one of theirs. As I have repeatedly we need defense more then offense. Name one team that has made it to the Finals that is only offense in the past five years. Defense wins it all that is what we need.

Felton is not going to sign with them and the Bobcats have not even tried to resign him. Felton will cost more the Lowry and they used a high lottery pick on D.J. so Felton is going to walk. The Rockets frontcourt will not be weak and the 4 spot will not have a gaping hole. Being 3 deep in the 4 will not a gaping hole. Sure the scoring will drop at the four but the defense overall will counter act that.

Another deal
Rockets: Wallace, Tyrus, Mohammed
Bobcats: Lowry, Ariza, Jeffries and a future pick and a right to swap a future pick.
Leaving us with Scola which teams like and the expiring contract of Battier. which would give us other moves.

Rockets have a number of assets that can be package to get a lot of other players.

You don't think Thomas is a great player yet you're content with trading for him. Our frontcourt will be thin because there will be no one to fill Scola's offensive output. We would have to rely on inexperienced and unpolished players such as Patterson, Hill, and Hayes on offense once Yao sits out which is a terrible idea (ignoring the fact that we're already lacking offense in the post). Besides, you can only go so far by relying on perimeter players.

What makes you think that Felton will be cheaper than Lowry? He just came off of a terrible playoff performance. You could probably even argue that Lowry would be more expensive than Felton.

You probably view Wallace as a 3rd option on a contender, but the Bobcats don't which is why I don't think that they'd even offer him to us.

P.S. I meant to say that we would have a gaping hole at the 4 offensively since we would basically get no production out of the post offensively once Yao sits out.

[moofs]

Tyrus Thomas is better than Luis Scola on a cold, dry day in Jamaica, and Amare Stoudemire isn't going to keep anyone from being a bad team. He's not a bad player, but he's an overpaid one already, and will definitely be so at 80+-100m. I bet you New York ends up not signing one of the big 3, signing one of the guys that's left for too much money, and Thomasing their roster for another 5 years, because cap space in the wrong hands is a dangerous thing.

Chicago did it better, they got it at the last minute, and without gutting their roster.
New York HAS to sign someone, which effectively puts all their cards on the table. Everyone knows they're sitting there just waiting to overpay guys, so everyone is going to demand to be overpaid by them or they'll just go somewhere else where they can win and/or get paid the same. When your roster has too many overpaid guys though (which NY is likely to end up with, again), you don't win, which means only the losers of the NBA are likely to sign there. This is why I expected Amare, Joe Johnson, or Rudy Gay to be their "major" signing (2 of them now being off the board, which leaves...).

[zapatasblood]

Chicago did it better, they got it at the last minute, and without gutting their roster.
New York HAS to sign someone, which effectively puts all their cards on the table. Everyone knows they're sitting there just waiting to overpay guys, so everyone is going to demand to be overpaid by them or they'll just go somewhere else where they can win and/or get paid the same. When your roster has too many overpaid guys though (which NY is likely to end up with, again), you don't win, which means only the losers of the NBA are likely to sign there. This is why I expected Amare, Joe Johnson, or Rudy Gay to be their "major" signing (2 of them now being off the board, which leaves...).

If you are talking about this thread. Maverick Carter, LeBron James' business partner, will be flying to New York on Wednesday to meet with the Knicks. Now that comes from a source and i do not trust sources. Anybody not willing to allow what he says go on record is not worth trusting. If it turns out to be true then James will be signing with the Knicks. Amare, whom they overpaid, and James will take the Knicks to the playoffs. If that other source that said the Knicks will be in a three team deal that lands them Monte Elles will for sure put them in the playoffs. If all this turns out to be true then those future picks from the Knicks lose a lot of its value since they will not be lotto picks any longer

I don't think a team led by an overpaid Amare will make it to the playoffs but if they land James then they will make it. If you add the fact that they are going to trade away Lee, who they should keep over Amare based off of money, to get Monte Elles then they would for sure make it in the playoffs in the East. If get those three players they would have a big three and in a weak conference like the East would allow them to make the playoffs but since they would not have a bench they would just collapse in the playoff and be done in the first round. Now if they don't get James but they pull off the trade for Monte then it would be more likely that they miss the playoffs. I really do not think Amare will finalize that deal with the Knicks unless James is going to join him in New York.
Now I hear that James is going to resign with the Cavs so that would make the Knicks worthless once more. Since they gutted the roster and left themselves with only WIlson Chandler, and Danilo GallinarI as their best players the Knicks will continue to suck. They could not win with Lee and they will not win with Amare, if he choose to finalize that deal. Now once again these are sources that are saying this about James and everyday a source is saying something different about the free agent players.

[moofs]

New York, according to your sources (which say LeBron will play 2.5 games for each of the 30 teams in the NBA next year on a $490M 8 year contract), may have the better shot at getting LeBron, but their method for clearing cap space was ugly. It's been shown before that firesales to clear cap space, especially when lots of teams do it, usually just lead to bad contracts and desperation signings.

HEY PISTONS, HOW'RE CHARLIE V AND BINGO WORKIN' FOR YA?

[TMU]

I like Gerald Wallace, so it does look like an intriguing package, but really... no thanks.

Tyrus has such poor offense that I don't see him being more than a bench player. I know he has the ability to block shots and protect the paint, but we already have that. Hint hint... he didn't play a single game last season. Even with mediocre post defenders (like Scola) complementing Yao Ming, our frontcourt defense shouldn't have many problems. I'd much rather keep Scola and have his offensive output.

Tyrus and Wallace will boost our defense and rebounding, but we'll lose a lot of depth and talent in other categories.