Collison Trade to Indiana

[Indy2thaWindy]

What do you guys think, I like it because we get our PG.

Orlando trades
Marcin Gortat - 6.3
Vince Carter - 17.3

Orlando Gets
Jeff Foster - 6.6
Brandon Rush - 2
Troy Murphy - 11.9
Dahntay Jones - 2.5

New Orleans trades
Darren Collison - 1.3
James Posey - 6.4

New Orleans Gets
Marcin Gortat - 6.6
Solomon Jones - 1.5

Indiana trades
Jeff Foster 6.6
Troy Murphy 11.9
Brandon Rush - 2
Dahntay Jones - 2.5
Solomon Jones - 1.5

Indiana Gets
Vince Carter - 17.3
Darren Collison - 1.3
James Posey - 6.4

Orlando - get a backup center who replaces Gortat and contract is an expiring, get a PF who rebounds and spreads the floor which Van Gundy likes and contract is also expiring, and get two defenders who can guard the best wings on any team and a 3pt shooter in Rush, Don't have to pay Carter.

New Orleans - Adds depth to their front court with Gortat and Jones who's contract is an expiring. Thay also dump Posey's contract at the expense of Collison.

Indiana - Gets their point guard in Collison and Vince Carter probably gets traded after this trade.

[Boneman2]

I like the thought Indy, but I think we need to move Ford.

I have two realistic offers that include Okafor as the incentive for NO's to agree to trade Darren because 52 million dollar salary dumps don't grow on trees. CP3 is now a player/gm according to ownership. I betcha Darren will be gone, maybe not to us, but he won't be there much longer.

#1
Murphy/Ford/Rush for Okafor/Collison/ Posey

#2
Murphy/Ford/Dunleavy/Rush for Okafor/ Collison/ Posey/ MoPete (exp.)

[Indy2thaWindy]

MoPete is at OKC ain't he?

[ardthomp]

I don't think New Orleans is looking to make anymore salary dumps now that they got rid of Mo Pete's salary and the main point of moving a salary was to get under the tax. If they were going to do it, then they probably would have taken the trade with Portland, because that trade would have saved them 100 million.

[Boneman2]

Okay, Mopete is gone, strike that portion of the trade.

Does Peja have 2 yrs left?

[Boneman2]

I don't think New Orleans is looking to make anymore salary dumps now that they got rid of Mo Pete's salary and the main point of moving a salary was to get under the tax. If they were going to do it, then they probably would have taken the trade with Portland, because that trade would have saved them 100 million.

Clarify the trade. Did it involve Paul?

New Orleans is under the cap, but I think moving Okafor has to pique their interest.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Okay, Mopete is gone, strike that portion of the trade.

Does Peja have 2 yrs left?

Peja is expiring, he is probably a player NO wants to hold onto and trade him like we can do Murphy at the deadline.

[jowglenn]

Not poorly constructed. Definitely something for everybody.

I have to say, I actually really like it for Orlando. On its face, its not too great.

But I love the idea of Murphy next to Howard. Picture that front court. 2 elite rebounders at the 4 and 5, 2 long three point shooters at the 3 and 4.

Have to believe JJ Redick would be getting a promotion here though.

[ardthomp]

I don't think New Orleans is looking to make anymore salary dumps now that they got rid of Mo Pete's salary and the main point of moving a salary was to get under the tax. If they were going to do it, then they probably would have taken the trade with Portland, because that trade would have saved them 100 million.

Clarify the trade. Did it involve Paul?

New Orleans is under the cap, but I think moving Okafor has to pique their interest.

Yes, the trade was Paul/Okafor to Portland for Andre Miller, Nicolas Batum, Joel Pryzbilla, Jerryd Bayless, and the 22nd pick. Here is the link from Chad Ford:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... rsuing-cp3

[Boneman2]

^^^^ There you go. Regardless of salary-cap implications, the Hornets have no inclination to trade CP3. Now if you take CP3 out of the picture Portland quickly declines taking on all that salary.

Just because the Hornets turned down a chance to save 100 million, doesn't mean they don't want to save money. The problem is obvious, in that CPaul was a large part of that savings.

Indiana could offer the same type of savings w/o requesting CP3, Portland couldn't, they gave their best pitch to get Chris. Problem is it's only marginally better than the package Indy could offer, and we're not asking for Paul.

Miller > Ford
Bayless <> Rush
Batum <> Dunleavy
Pryz < Murphy
22nd > nothing

Yeah, Portland has a better package, but it is not so much better that NO's gives up Paul.

[Boneman2]

Okay, Mopete is gone, strike that portion of the trade.

Does Peja have 2 yrs left?

Peja is expiring, he is probably a player NO wants to hold onto and trade him like we can do Murphy at the deadline.

Peja wouldn't get the same type of response as TMurda around the deadline. Peja is for straight savings, while a few contenders might actually like to acquire Murphy, for the title run. Turning it into something of a bidding war, where we might come away with a really nice asset, whether it be player or pick.

I mentioned Peja because NO might consider it as an enticement to swap him for Dunleavy as well. Obviously at this point in their careers Dunleavy is healthy and ready to re-establish himself. Mike is easily the second best wing on either team, the problem for NO's is that the 3rd and 4th best wings on either team probably play for the Pacers too (George,Rush).

I really believe that it would be more than fair if Indy could send NO's a package consisting of: Murphy/Rush/Dunleavy/Ford for Okafor/Posey/Peja/ Collison:

Rush replaces and will soon be an upgrade over Posey, if he already isn't.

Dunleavy would be a better fit than Peja's broken-down a$$. I am not calling the kettle black, but all indications point to Dunleavy finally being healed. 18 / 5/4 numbers are likely with the appropriate playing time that he won't find here behind Danny.

Murphy and Okafor talent-wise are a push. Contract-wise Murphy is a god compared to Okafor.

Ford offers a b/u with starting capabilties. Of course Collison is superior but he will not settle into backing up CP3 for too much longer. This is a business and Darren will do what is best for him and if that means upping his value now, he obviously wants to do that since CP3 isn't going anywhere for the next decade. I give their apprenticeship 1 more seson tops.

The Pacers would still hold close to 18 mill in expirings, and Posey comes off in time to secure Roy.

[ardthomp]

^^^^ There you go. Regardless of salary-cap implications, the Hornets have no inclination to trade CP3. Now if you take CP3 out of the picture Portland quickly declines taking on all that salary.

Just because the Hornets turned down a chance to save 100 million, doesn't mean they don't want to save money. The problem is obvious, in that CPaul was a large part of that savings.

Indiana could offer the same type of savings w/o requesting CP3, Portland couldn't, they gave their best pitch to get Chris. Problem is it's only marginally better than the package Indy could offer, and we're not asking for Paul.

Miller > Ford
Bayless <> Rush
Batum <> Dunleavy
Pryz < Murphy
22nd > nothing

Yeah, Portland has a better package, but it is not so much better that NO's gives up Paul.

This trade was before the draft. They were wanting to trade Paul, but the owner got cold feet, so the deal didn't go down. Now the owner/team is saying Paul isn't moving at all. Paul makes 30+ over the next two seasons, with a player option in 2012-2013 (makes the whole team around 49mil if he takes the option). Okafor makes 52+ over the next 4 seasons.

[Boneman2]

They were wanting to trade Paul, but the owner got cold feet, so the deal didn't go down. Now the owner/team is saying Paul isn't moving at all

Ardthomp, my whole point is that they were no closer to moving CP3 than we were to moving Granger. Sure we listened, but would never really follow through with it, unless the deal was irresistable, in which case, the Portland package leaves a lot to be desired.

You said that NO's isn't concerned with saving money because they turned down a chance to save 100 mill. When in fact, NO's turned it down because Chris Paul was involved, not because they don't want to save money.

[ardthomp]

They were wanting to trade Paul, but the owner got cold feet, so the deal didn't go down. Now the owner/team is saying Paul isn't moving at all

Ardthomp, my whole point is that they were no closer to moving CP3 than we were to moving Granger. Sure we listened, but would never really follow through with it, unless the deal was irresistable, in which case, the Portland package leaves a lot to be desired.

You said that NO's isn't concerned with saving money because they turned down a chance to save 100 mill. When in fact, NO's turned it down because Chris Paul was involved, not because they don't want to save money.

I said their main concern was getting under the luxury tax, which they did with the trade to OKC. If they were trying to make a huge salary dump, then they probably would have done the trade that saved them 100 mil, as they had a huge opportunity to do so.

I honestly don't see anyone taking Okafor's contract in order to take Collison. Posey, that could be another story.

[Indy2thaWindy]

I don't know why I made this, Stephenson can be just as good, probably better, also he isn't undersized at point.