Bosh and Wade @ Agents Office With Bulls

[El Ridda]

I am so confused. WHy would wade need to use the Bulls for leverage to get Miami to do a S&T. Don't you think Riley is motivated enough to make that happen. He would have done it Thursday at 12:01 if he could have.

There was one report that Miami was souring on Bosh as a max player, that they didn't think he was all about winning after his antics during free agency.

Sounds off the wall to gamble with Wade like that, but I believe the source was a Miami paper.

I don't buy that story. The only thing that could be possible is them waiting to get an answer from LBJ to move ahead on a S&T for Bosh. That seems possible.

[TheAdmiral]

I am so confused. WHy would wade need to use the Bulls for leverage to get Miami to do a S&T. Don't you think Riley is motivated enough to make that happen. He would have done it Thursday at 12:01 if he could have.

I dont think Wade was using the Bulls as leverage but I can see Riley being hesitant to give up our last two pieces (Beasley and Chalmers) when Bosh could just sign here outright. Wade almost leaving might force his hand.

Who says BC would want Beasley and Chalmers when BC supposedly isn't interested in Taj Gibson/James Johnson or anything outside of Noah for that matter?

[nitetrain8603]

I am so confused. WHy would wade need to use the Bulls for leverage to get Miami to do a S&T. Don't you think Riley is motivated enough to make that happen. He would have done it Thursday at 12:01 if he could have.

He's trying to get things moving faster. Wade's ship with LeBron has sailed. So now he wants Bosh locked up as soon as possible and then he'll sign back. His fear is that Bosh is going to pair with James in Chicago or possibly Cleveland as Toronto, supposedly doesn't care for Miami's package and likes Cleveland's the 2nd most behind what Houston would give them. Wade doesn't believe in himself and LeBron playing together anymore.

[davhern]

I am so confused. WHy would wade need to use the Bulls for leverage to get Miami to do a S&T. Don't you think Riley is motivated enough to make that happen. He would have done it Thursday at 12:01 if he could have.

There was one report that Miami was souring on Bosh as a max player, that they didn't think he was all about winning after his antics during free agency.

Sounds off the wall to gamble with Wade like that, but I believe the source was a Miami paper.

I think that's a load of crap. It's especially stupid to gamble with Wade like that because Wade, like LeBron, is actually a bargain at the max in terms of his value to that franchise and value as a player.

If Bosh isn't worth the max, LeBron and Wade are the only two max players on this market... does anyone actually buy that? LeBron and Wade are both worth way more than the max.

[WeAreVenom]

Don't see LeBron liking his chances in Cleveland without them bringing in someone in a S&T.

In Bucher's scenario they don't bring in anyone.

That means LeBron has to beat Kobe+Gasol+Bynum, Amare+whoever else NY gets, Bosh+Wade, and Rose+Noah+Boozer+Deng, all by himself in Cleveland. Even worse chances than last year. On an older team.

Don't see it.

I agree, if Lebron is truly serious about winning a title he has to view that as a tougher road than he will ever have to cross.

Not to mention us. Likely without Shaq.

I have a hard time believe he would go back to Cleveland without someone coming with him.

[greenwing]

No. It was a rhetorical question. Miami doesn't need to be strong-armed into doing a S&T for Bosh. They would/will do it if they can. You just basically said the same thing. Toronto may not want to deal with Miami and Bosh wants the 6th year. Thus, Miami isn't likely to be the team keeping such a deal from happening.

I disagree. This is Wade's way of saying "get me what I want or I leave". This is Wade's way of trying to strong-arm Riley into getting his butt moving. Because when all is said and done, if LeBron stays in Cleveland and Riley can't get a S&T to go through with Toronto, Wade is going to be bolt. Riley is the one supposedly going around telling people to take paycuts to play with Wade. And if that tactic isn't working, Wade has got to motivate the Heat to try another strategy. Is Riley aware that he has to make a move? Absolutely. This is just Wade's way of putting pressure on the situation to get something done. This is all assuming, however, that what's Goff is saying is true.

[BullsFan236]

That's pretty close to the worst case scenario to me...

I wouldn't call adding a 20 and 11 guy to a Playoff team a 'worst case scenario'.

Bulls 2010 offseason = failure

+1

[Miami's Finest]

I am so confused. WHy would wade need to use the Bulls for leverage to get Miami to do a S&T. Don't you think Riley is motivated enough to make that happen. He would have done it Thursday at 12:01 if he could have.

I dont think Wade was using the Bulls as leverage but I can see Riley being hesitant to give up our last two pieces (Beasley and Chalmers) when Bosh could just sign here outright. Wade almost leaving might force his hand.

Who says BC would want Beasley and Chalmers when BC supposedly isn't interested in Taj Gibson/James Johnson?

Who knows who he prefers but Miami also has his unprotected 1st round pick. And its not really up to BC, if Bosh says he wants to go to Miami (or anywhere else) they either take what they can get (Beasley is still a big man that can score as easy as anyone) or Bosh signs outright for max (1 year less) and they get nothing.

[davhern]

No. It was a rhetorical question. Miami doesn't need to be strong-armed into doing a S&T for Bosh. They would/will do it if they can. You just basically said the same thing. Toronto may not want to deal with Miami and Bosh wants the 6th year. Thus, Miami isn't likely to be the team keeping such a deal from happening.

I disagree. This is Wade's way of saying "get me what I want or I leave". This is Wade's way of trying to strong-arm Riley into getting his butt moving. Because when all is said and done, if LeBron stays in Cleveland and Riley can't get a S&T to go through with Toronto, Wade is going to be bolt. Riley is the one supposedly going around telling people to take paycuts to play with Wade. And if that tactic isn't working, Wade has got to motivate the Heat to try another strategy. Is Riley aware that he has to make a move? Absolutely. This is just Wade's way of putting pressure on the situation to get something done. This is all assuming, however, that what's Goff is saying is true.

Do you think Miami wouldn't have done the sign and trade for Bosh yesterday if they could've? If the opportunity presents itself, they will. Come on.

[WeAreVenom]

I am so confused. WHy would wade need to use the Bulls for leverage to get Miami to do a S&T. Don't you think Riley is motivated enough to make that happen. He would have done it Thursday at 12:01 if he could have.

I dont think Wade was using the Bulls as leverage but I can see Riley being hesitant to give up our last two pieces (Beasley and Chalmers) when Bosh could just sign here outright. Wade almost leaving might force his hand.

Who says BC would want Beasley and Chalmers when BC supposedly isn't interested in Taj Gibson/James Johnson or anything outside of Noah for that matter?

Well, he did give Turk a 50mil contract.

Hell, he just got off of taking us on a Finals run, and we didn't offer anything close to that.

[jStuNNa]

ill be happy still with Mike Miller(7mil), Kyle Korver(3-5mil), BradM(3-4mil) & Boozer(13-14mil)...build around rose!

I'd rather have David Lee than Boozer.

David Lee boosted his stats, he was on a bad team. The numbers have to go to someone

Lee averaged 20 points, 12 rebounds, 3.5 assists, and shot 54% from the field. I don't care what team you are on. If you can do that in 81 games against NBA competition, you're good.

Lee's a little bit younger, played less seasons, and seems more durable.

I'd only want Boozer over Lee, maybe, if the Bulls were contending for a title immediately, but without Wade or LeBron, they will not be.

[nitetrain8603]

I'd be happy with Boozer, Reddick, and swinging a trade for Gortat and Pietrus.

That would be very nice.


Thanks for the info on Goff - he's a really bad reporter and basically as someone said he's in over his head currently. He can still improve but right now he doesn't have much credibility, just the credibility the Score is trying to force down everyone's throat. Which, by the way, in doing so, they are saying, you know we really just have one person on the entire station that really follows the NBA a lot.

I personally am not a huge fan of his and find him kind of "bleh", but I know his source(not personally) inside Wade's camp.

And yea, like I said, it's time for the Bulls to start thinking about filling that guard spot as well as getting some good depth. I personally would still trade James Johnson and Deng. Maybe sign Korver as a backup. I really wanted us to possibly go after OJ Mayo, but I don't see how we would do so without doing a three way.

Deng + James to NO
Collison + Peja?? to Memphis
Mayo to pair up with Wade and Booze in Chicago.

[PhillyBull]

No. It was a rhetorical question. Miami doesn't need to be strong-armed into doing a S&T for Bosh. They would/will do it if they can. You just basically said the same thing. Toronto may not want to deal with Miami and Bosh wants the 6th year. Thus, Miami isn't likely to be the team keeping such a deal from happening.

I disagree. This is Wade's way of saying "get me what I want or I leave". This is Wade's way of trying to strong-arm Riley into getting his butt moving. Because when all is said and done, if LeBron stays in Cleveland and Riley can't get a S&T to go through with Toronto, Wade is going to be bolt. Riley is the one supposedly going around telling people to take paycuts to play with Wade. And if that tactic isn't working, Wade has got to motivate the Heat to try another strategy. Is Riley aware that he has to make a move? Absolutely. This is just Wade's way of putting pressure on the situation to get something done. This is all assuming, however, that what's Goff is saying is true.

I disagree. Why wouldn't Cleveland do it if they could? They want two guys more than anything, and I don''t believe for one second that they won't pay him the max if Toronto will go for a trade. Miami has done everything they possibly could to get someone to commit.

Why do you think Wade was recruiting so hard? He knew that roster was a joke without him, and without him they had no shot to land either of the Big 2. It was telling that he didn't resign right away and that he took extra meetings with the bulls. Miami is in the corner and not much they can do about it right now. IMO

[PJ Brown]

I would be intrigued by Lee mostly because of his age. He'll still be pretty good toward the end of the deal, even if overpaid. Boozer is much better and will have a much greater impact on the team, but his ability and health could drop off by the end of the deal, which will be higher than Lee's. I'd rather have Boozer, because as I said, I think people are underestimating the difference he can make this season, but I'd be fine with Lee, depending on the other things we did with the extra cap.

[nitetrain8603]

No. It was a rhetorical question. Miami doesn't need to be strong-armed into doing a S&T for Bosh. They would/will do it if they can. You just basically said the same thing. Toronto may not want to deal with Miami and Bosh wants the 6th year. Thus, Miami isn't likely to be the team keeping such a deal from happening.

I disagree. This is Wade's way of saying "get me what I want or I leave". This is Wade's way of trying to strong-arm Riley into getting his butt moving. Because when all is said and done, if LeBron stays in Cleveland and Riley can't get a S&T to go through with Toronto, Wade is going to be bolt. Riley is the one supposedly going around telling people to take paycuts to play with Wade. And if that tactic isn't working, Wade has got to motivate the Heat to try another strategy. Is Riley aware that he has to make a move? Absolutely. This is just Wade's way of putting pressure on the situation to get something done. This is all assuming, however, that what's Goff is saying is true.

Do you think Miami wouldn't have done the sign and trade for Bosh yesterday if they could've? If the opportunity presents itself, they will. Come on.

Yeah, but that's people thinking logically which doesn't always happen. Lemme give you an example.

You're busy at work, you have three reports due Thursday and it's Wednesday. Your boss then gives you a special project that he needs done at the end of the day. Now the boss knows how much work you have, he doesn't give a damn though. He wants it all done and he wants it done when he does.

[WeAreVenom]

I'd rather have David Lee than Boozer.

David Lee boosted his stats, he was on a bad team. The numbers have to go to someone

Lee averaged 20 points, 12 rebounds, 3.5 assists, and shot 54% from the field. I don't care what team you are on. If you can do that in 81 games against NBA competition, you're good.

Lee's a little bit younger, played less seasons, and seems more durable.

I'd only want Boozer over Lee, maybe, if the Bulls were contending for a title immediately, but without Wade or LeBron, they will not be.

Agreed.

I think David Lee will be the steal this year. I like Boozer, but if he lands on a contender, they are probably going to have problems with Gasol, should they meet the Lakers in the Finals.

[glowsticks]

Yep, I'd prefer David Lee too. I remember somebody posting he was at the all star game and he overheard Gar talking to another GM about how good David Lee is. That statline is very good, no matter how inflated the system is.

[Ralphb07]

Lee averaged 20 points, 12 rebounds, 3.5 assists, and shot 54% from the field. I don't care what team you are on. If you can do that in 81 games against NBA competition, you're good.

Lee's a little bit younger, played less seasons, and seems more durable.

I'd only want Boozer over Lee, maybe, if the Bulls were contending for a title immediately, but without Wade or LeBron, they will not be.

How do you know the Bulls can't contend for a title immediately? Derrick Rose is going to get better. You watch Derrick and see he has the "IT" factor, he really does. You put the right pieces around him, he can lead us there. He is that good.

Lee is a good player who has a pretty nice jumper but he scores his points on put backs. Boozer is a true low post guy. You can get him the ball down low and he will score. It fits the inside out game Thibodeau wants here. IMO Lee on the Bulls doesn't score 20, probably more 15 a game which 15/11 is great. Boozer, his 20 a night transfers to this team with ease. He will become our 2nd option easily and IMO is a great #2 guy.

Lee is the safer pick because of the injuries but Boozer is by far the greater impact/reward guy.

[TheAdmiral]

That's not true. Lee runs the P&R quite well and has a nice jumper. I am sorry, but you're wrong about Lee only scoring off of putbacks.

[WeAreVenom]

That's not true. Lee runs the P&R quite well and has a nice jumper. I am sorry, but you're wrong about Lee only scoring off of putbacks.

Beat me to it.