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Why Amare's deal with the Knicks is good for us....... 

Post#1 » by red4hf » Tue Jul 6, 2010 12:47 am

It means the Knicks are not going to sign Boozer, an Amare/Boozer frontcourt makes no sense.......

It also means there are now only three teams, Chicago, Miami and New Jersey with the cap space to offier Boozer a max/near max deal.......

If LeBron doesn't sign in NJ (and it looks like that's unlikely), it's highly doubtbul they are going to go after Boozer, much more likely they will develop their own players, especially after drafting a PF in Favors......

So we're down to Chicago and Miami, and one of those teams is going to go after Bosh first....... And it looks like Toronto is not going to facilitate any sign-and-trade deals for Bosh.......

So Boozer will be down to one option, so our chances of keeping him, which I think we should do, just went up with the Amare signing.......
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Post#2 » by Catchall » Tue Jul 6, 2010 1:09 am

I get it. The only problem is that if Amare is worth $20mm/year, what is Boozer going to ask for?

If Lebron stays in Cleveland or goes to NY, then Chicago and Miami will duke it out to sign both Wade and Bosh. If Lebron goes to Chicago, Bosh will follow and Miami will likely go after Boozer.

Either Chicago or Miami may offer an exorbitant contract to Boozer. If that's the case, the Jazz may be better off letting him go, or seeing if Boozer will do a sign-and-trade.
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Post#3 » by The59Sound » Tue Jul 6, 2010 1:37 am

If we lose Boozer, but don't add a big man who can defend a little (e.g. Gortat) and a solid PF to back up Millsap (e.g. Bass), we're pretty much screwed. I'm almost at the point where I'd be willing to pay the big bucks Booz will no doubt be seeking. I don't want to be battling for the 8th seed next year; I'd rather be fighting for a 2-5 seed and hoping someone does our dirty work for us and upsets the Lakers.
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Post#4 » by Sloanfeld » Tue Jul 6, 2010 1:41 am

Good thing Amare is gone to the east, that way if we lose Boozer Millsap will only get destroyed two times per season instead of four. Amare to Sap is what Gasol is to Boozer.
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Post#5 » by red4hf » Tue Jul 6, 2010 1:50 am

The thing is, if Miami or Chicago lose out on the Wade/Bosh combo, they may decide that it isn't worth to spend 80 million on Boozer since they are not going to be in title contention with him anyway.......
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Post#6 » by CarrKeefe » Tue Jul 6, 2010 1:55 am

Lebron will stay in Cleveland and Wade and Bosh will land in Miami. Boozer is going to end up in Chicago or New Jersey. That's a given. Chicago and New Jersey aren't going to come up empty handed.
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Post#7 » by GP » Tue Jul 6, 2010 2:20 am

The59Sound wrote:If we lose Boozer, but don't add a big man who can defend a little (e.g. Gortat) and a solid PF to back up Millsap (e.g. Bass), we're pretty much screwed. I'm almost at the point where I'd be willing to pay the big bucks Booz will no doubt be seeking. I don't want to be battling for the 8th seed next year; I'd rather be fighting for a 2-5 seed and hoping someone does our dirty work for us and upsets the Lakers.


+1. As much as some people don't like boozer, I think sometimes we over look how hard it is to get a 20-10 pf. On the realgm wire Sloan was saying how he would like Boozer back, the reason is he knows players of that caliber are difficult to acquire.
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Post#8 » by JockRider » Tue Jul 6, 2010 2:25 am

We sign Boozer and you might as well crown us as pretenders for the next few years until Deron leaves.
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Post#9 » by Bullet » Tue Jul 6, 2010 2:31 am

I'm ok with re-signing Boozer. I think they can duplicate or even improve last year's seed, and then pull the trigger for a big come the trade deadline.
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Post#10 » by HolyToledo » Tue Jul 6, 2010 3:02 am

I dont want the Jazz to resign Boozer because he is so bad defensively that the Jazz are better without him. I would rather give AK-47 and Millsap his minutes at the PF position with Hayward taking some of AK-47 minutes along with Korvers minutes. Miles also needs more minutes.

The problem the Jazz do have is Memo's injury and his replacement. The Jazz need to add a rebounder. Augustin plus a veteran big would be ok. Adding Gortat would be helpful or someone like Brad Miller would be enough to keep the Jazz where they were last year which is a 48-52 win team. A championship contender no way but based on their trades last year, I now know that is NOT their goal.

Paying Boozer, a injury prone player, that plays no defense who has his best year during a contract year is stupid. He even missed the most important game at the end of the year versus the Suns with a suspect injuy, and is ineffective versus the Lakers and you are going to pay him over 13 mil a year. Jazz management cant be that stupid!
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Post#11 » by Sloanfeld » Tue Jul 6, 2010 3:05 am

I think Bosh is staying unless the Raptors work out a sign and trade. I don't see that happening with any team other than Chicago. Nobody else has anything they would want. Bosh wants the money. Boozer teams up with Wade in Miami.
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Post#12 » by DelaneyRudd » Tue Jul 6, 2010 3:14 am

Bosh staying? I'll eat my hat!
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Post#13 » by CarrKeefe » Tue Jul 6, 2010 3:16 am

Sloanfeld wrote:I think Bosh is staying unless the Raptors work out a sign and trade. I don't see that happening with any team other than Chicago. Nobody else has anything they would want. Bosh wants the money. Boozer teams up with Wade in Miami.


Bosh is not staying. There is too much of a departure mentality between Toronto and Bosh. If Boozer ends up in Miami in your scenario, Bosh will end up in Chicago. Wade is going to end up with a partner to roll with. Chicago could really get screwed if Boozer ends up with wade in Miami, and Lebron re-signs with Cleveland and they work out a sign and trade with Toronto (has been discussed). Then Chicago is left with scraps.
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Post#14 » by The59Sound » Tue Jul 6, 2010 3:19 am

HolyToledo wrote: Miles also needs more minutes.


The last thing we need on God's green earth is CJ Miles playing more minutes.
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Post#15 » by HolyToledo » Tue Jul 6, 2010 3:41 am

The59Sound wrote:
HolyToledo wrote: Miles also needs more minutes.


The last thing we need on God's green earth is CJ Miles playing more minutes.


Miles was one of our most consistent players in the playoffs. If Boozer didnt play at all versus the Lakers then we would have a better chance of winning the series because he was useless versus them.
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Post#16 » by carrottop12 » Tue Jul 6, 2010 6:28 am

If the Jazz resign Boozer, I think mid season they have to be looking at a way to package Millsap and Okur together to clear up room to make a real push at one of the top FA's next season.

Going into the next season the Jazz would have an intact core of Deron/CJ/Hayward/Boozer and would be looking to lock up Horford or Melo, or try to compound a couple of guys like Noah/Perkins and Butler who would all fit in well with the Jazz. Add in the Jazz resigning AK at a discount and I think you have a good roster going forward.
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Post#17 » by ADWCTA » Tue Jul 6, 2010 11:29 am

CarrKeefe wrote:Lebron will stay in Cleveland and Wade and Bosh will land in Miami. Boozer is going to end up in Chicago or New Jersey. That's a given. Chicago and New Jersey aren't going to come up empty handed.


This is the truth.
NJ's not signing Boozer though, their SF needs are too high and Boozer will want the max to play in Newark. It's all but set that Boozer'll be in Chicago, and he'll be a good fit there too. When Chicago loses out on everyone, they're not just going to sit on 25mil of empty cap space for the next season. You think that'll make Rose happy to miss the playoffs because the GMs are being "smart" with their money and not spending it in the most ridiculous offseason ever, right before CBA? No, like any NBA star, he'll take issue and Boozer will end up with the Rashard Lewis contract. Good, not great, questionably worth it, esp since he's not your best player, but does solve a lot of your team's problems regardless.

I really hope Utah's not stupid enough to pay more than 15mil a year to keep Boozer. When Chicago offers him 20mil, I hope we have enough restraint to just let him walk.
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Post#18 » by seejaydeja » Tue Jul 6, 2010 2:02 pm

JockRider wrote:We sign Boozer and you might as well crown us as pretenders for the next few years until Deron leaves.


Sheesh, what if we don't re-sign him?
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Post#19 » by red4hf » Tue Jul 6, 2010 2:25 pm

seejaydeja wrote:
JockRider wrote:We sign Boozer and you might as well crown us as pretenders for the next few years until Deron leaves.


Sheesh, what if we don't re-sign him?


Exactly....... Are people expecting MIllsap to suddenly turn into Tim Duncan?
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Post#20 » by S2Minem » Tue Jul 6, 2010 3:20 pm

red4hf wrote:
seejaydeja wrote:
JockRider wrote:We sign Boozer and you might as well crown us as pretenders for the next few years until Deron leaves.


Sheesh, what if we don't re-sign him?


Exactly....... Are people expecting MIllsap to suddenly turn into Tim Duncan?
Not any more than we would reasonably expect Boozer to do so.

Not sure where you've been red4, but Millsap scored at a higher rate than Boozer did in the playoffs (and, of course, logged blocks, steals, and offensive rebounds (which means that PM had to hustle for them, not just stand near the basket, unlike Booze camping near the basket on D) at a higher rate (and TOs at a lower rate), too).

To match or exceed Boozer's contribution, all Utah needs is a healthy AK (gladly sharing PT with PM at the 4), acquire another capable 4 (Bass or Beasley would probably work), or maybe both.

The negative impact of Boozer's defense has been overlooked for years, and I have been shocked that Utah and Sloan have suggested that they want him back, especially in the mid-teens. Hopefully it's just lip service to make sure that the Jazz can have S&T options.

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