Heat/Mavs/Jazz involved in talks?

[BBallFreak]

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but...

As Riley awaits decisions from Wade, James and Bosh, the Heat also had discussions with multiple teams for potential sign-and-trade deals to address Miami's need for a point guard, perimeter shooter and center.

One player and a separate agent who have been directly involved in those discussions told The Miami Herald on Monday the Heat, Dallas Mavericks and Utah Jazz have talked about deals in which Miami would part with Heat free agent center Jermaine O'Neal or Beasley -- or both.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/06/1 ... wyane.html

It seems as though Miami's got their hands in a lot of things. Are they trying to snag Boozer and Haywood, while still retaining the rights to Wright, Haslem, and Q AND keeping there MLE and LLE?

Are they looking at:

PG: Felton / Chalmers
Sg: Wade /
Sf: Wright / Richardson
Pf: Boozer / Haslem
Cc: Haywood / Anthony

Is that something Heat fans could really complain about? Would it be enough for Wade to stay?

What are Dallas and Utah interested in from Miami? Are they interested in Miami's overtures, at all?

What are thoughts from fans of those teams?

[jcldallas24]

I don't think Miami has the MLE or LLE since they are under the cap.

[jcldallas24]

and theres not much other than Wade that Miami has that interests us except for maybe O'neal but i'd rather keep Haywood.

[BBallFreak]

I don't think Miami has the MLE or LLE since they are under the cap.

It says Miami would be involving it's current players, meaning they wouldn't neccesarily have to use their cap space. They could sign and trade JO, Haslem, Wright, Richardson, or whomever else they hold Bird Rights to, as well as guys like Beasley and Chalmers. If they're trading rather than signing, they're not actually using any cap space.

The Heat could, conceivably, resign JO, package him with Beasley and Chalmes, and trade them for Boozer and Haywood (not that I'm suggesting that that's what the teams are discussing - just a for instance) and still retain their MLE and LLE.

The Heat haven't renounced anyone as of yet.

Also, you never know what Mark Cuban may want...

[DJ Mbenga]

Do you really think Jermaine O'Neal and Michael Beasley are going to land Boozer & Haywood? Think that through for a second.

[mysticbb]

The only player the Mavericks might be interested in is Dwyane Wade. And I wouldn't even be surprised, if they talk about a possible S&T. And yes, I know Heat fans will strongly disagree, but if the Heat FO isn't able to do something, Wade might probably really leave.
There is NO point for Dallas of trading Haywood to the Heat. They want Haywood for themself and will most likely keep him.

Anyway, a Jermaine O'Neal+Beasley+x for Boozer trade might be something realistic. The Jazz could use a center like O'Neal and would probably take on Beasley.

[BBallFreak]

Do you really think Jermaine O'Neal and Michael Beasley are going to land Boozer & Haywood? Think that through for a second.

I'm just telling you what the article states. On top of that, in a sign and trade, value never matches. If it comes down to getting nothing for Boozer, or getting JO or Beasley, maybe Utah has some interest.

Ya never know. I also don't think Beasley's value is as low as RealGM seems to think it is... It couldn't be. A 21 year old big averaging 15 and 6 on a potentially expiring deal? And people seem to think no one would take a flyer on him? I don't buy it. Not when Kwame Brown is still bouncing around in this league and Darko Millicic can get a $20 million contract...

[jcldallas24]

I think its either one or the other it can't be both...

I could see Utah maybe doing Beasley/1st for Boozer just because of salary purposes....

But i can't see Cuban doing something around O'neal for Haywood...

[DJ Mbenga]

I'm just telling you what the article states.

You went a little beyond that, venturing into a dream scenario where two players with no value somehow fetch both Boozer and Haywood. Would Utah want Beasley? No. Would they want O'Neal for ~12 million a year? Hell no. Would the Mavs want Beasley? Maybe. Would they give anything up for him, especially considering he'd be playing behind both Dirk & Marion? Yeah, no. Funny thread.

[loserX]

Maybe the Jazz get involved, but I doubt they take back equal salary. We have luxury tax concerns and the guys you're offering aren't worth twice their salary...probably better to let Boozer walk.

If there is an S&T, more likely the Heat send the Jazz some, but not equivalent, salary. If the Heat lose their exceptions, that doesn't really bother Utah any.

[JES12]

Yeah, I see that article more along the lines of S&T Wade to Dallas before he bolts to Chicago. That is more likely that Dallas trading Haywood for any of Wright/JO/Haslem.


And no way are they going to S&T their expired crap for so many assets ($ wise) that they keep their exceptions.

[BBallFreak]

Maybe the Jazz get involved, but I doubt they take back equal salary. We have luxury tax concerns and the guys you're offering aren't worth twice their salary...probably better to let Boozer walk.

If there is an S&T, more likely the Heat send the Jazz some, but not equivalent, salary. If the Heat lose their exceptions, that doesn't really bother Utah any.

That would be understandable, and even acceptable. If Sloan can get him reigned in mentally and discipline him a bit, Beasley would actually fit very well for you. He needs to run the pick and roll and he needs plays run for him. He needs a better coach than Spolestra, and he needs to be a part of the offense. The kid can play. Of course, I could see JO being your prefered target, but I think value wise, you'd be much better off with Beasley...

[BBallFreak]

Yeah, I see that article more along the lines of S&T Wade to Dallas before he bolts to Chicago. That is more likely that Dallas trading Haywood for any of Wright/JO/Haslem.

LOL!

Nope. You've got nothing we'd accept for Wade. Our cap space gives us an advantage. We don't need anything you'd be offering and nothing you'd be offering would be worth building around. In short, I can't see why you'd think we'd deal with you for Wade. Not to our advantage at all. Even if he leaves for Chicago, we don't have to accept poor value in return.

And no way are they going to S&T their expired crap for so many assets ($ wise) that they keep their exceptions.

You never know, but it's worth a shot...

[BiggMann]

Simply fact is, utah doesn't want to lose Boozer for nothing but they are prepared to do so. If Utah has to go into next season with Milsap as their main big they'll do that. We've got Andrei's contract coming off the books next season (approx $17 mil), which will give us plenty of money to spend next season.

But Utah has to show Deron that they are going to be able to compete or they'll lose the risk of losing him.

I'd would be very suprised if Utah sat back and did nothing this off season, I've thought an S&T would be the perfect scenario. And I realized that Boozer has final say in a S&T, which makes Miami or Chicago the perfect partners (Same goes with Wade, he's got final say so I guarantee he wont go to Dallas over Chicago/Miami). Dont think Chicago is going to let anyone go for Boozer that would utah would be happy with. Miami however has pieces that could interest the Jazz. Beasley has talent, that if harnessed could be valuable. JO has size, something Utah desperately lacks. And Chalmers addresses the biggest need, a back up for Deron. So JO and Chalmers are the most intriguing players to the Jazz, but Utah has other pieces to offer as well so I dont see why they couldn't work something out.

My prediction, or wishful thinking would be something like this:

Jermaine O'Neal, Mario Chalmers, and Michael Beasley
Inexchange for
Carlos Boozer (s&t), Kyle Korver (s&t), and Kosta Koufos

[johnwall]

as a mavs fan id snt haywood for snt oneal and haslem, but that doesnt really help miami since they would have to use the same cap space. if haywood is looking for 10 mill a yr id do haywood for oneal and beasley

[babyjax13]

Maybe the Jazz get involved, but I doubt they take back equal salary. We have luxury tax concerns and the guys you're offering aren't worth twice their salary...probably better to let Boozer walk.

If there is an S&T, more likely the Heat send the Jazz some, but not equivalent, salary. If the Heat lose their exceptions, that doesn't really bother Utah any.

Maybe we would pick up Dampier's non-guaranteed contract.

[JES12]

FWIW, Dallas fans on other sites are open to Barea & Haywood for JO and Beasly.

I, personally, don't want either of them (Beasly cuz of position and bust fator...JO because of injuries), but I had to think long and hard on what upside there is for Dallas.

JO can be a PF/C to backup Dirk, but I would still want another C (Shaq for MLE?). Beasly with Kidd may hlp turn his career around..but what PT will he get?

[JES12]

Maybe the Jazz get involved, but I doubt they take back equal salary. We have luxury tax concerns and the guys you're offering aren't worth twice their salary...probably better to let Boozer walk.

If there is an S&T, more likely the Heat send the Jazz some, but not equivalent, salary. If the Heat lose their exceptions, that doesn't really bother Utah any.

Maybe we would pick up Dampier's non-guaranteed contract.

If Wade is not coming to Dallas, Deron is untouchable and Boozer is Miami bound as the OP thinks, then there is nothing btwn the two teams we would part with him for.

[babyjax13]

Maybe the Jazz get involved, but I doubt they take back equal salary. We have luxury tax concerns and the guys you're offering aren't worth twice their salary...probably better to let Boozer walk.

If there is an S&T, more likely the Heat send the Jazz some, but not equivalent, salary. If the Heat lose their exceptions, that doesn't really bother Utah any.

Maybe we would pick up Dampier's non-guaranteed contract.

If Wade is not coming to Dallas, Deron is untouchable and Boozer is Miami bound as the OP thinks, then there is nothing btwn the two teams we would part with him for.

Hmmm. Well, if we aren't shedding salary I don't see why the Jazz would do this. Beasley is nice, but the rest of the pieces involved frankly suck. If the Jazz get back a good center along with Beasley I think we would think about it, but I prefer the proposed Orlando deal with Gortat.

[JES12]

Honestly, I think the OP is off his rocker if he thinks they are not going to have to renounce some players to make the trade work, but I really don't see any way miami gets Boozer and Haywood unless they sign with Miami w/o S&T

One or the other, maybe....but not both.