Heat/Mavs/Jazz involved in talks?

[BiggMann]

With Chalmers involved it makes plenty of sense for Utah. And if we can shed Kosta in the process it's a win win. JO and Beasley probably wont be happy coming to utah, but we'd have a pretty solid squad and Deron would be the best PG they've ever played with. If JO can stay some what healthy, and Beasely can stay outta trouble the Utah comes out happy. If not we dump JO and Beasley and move on.

Miami has to be happy with Boozer and Korver for that.

[JES12]

The more and more I think about this, the more I am starting to warm up to it.

Personally, I think Haywood should be a 4 year $36 mil player, but lets say he demands 6 years $60 mil and JO only costs 3 year $20 mil with a focus more on the # of years than the $/yr (and I am not saying either is a given, but an "if") I would take JO and Beasly for Haywood and Barea too.

JO / MLE (Shaq?)
Dirk / Najera
Marion / Beasly / Stevenson
Butler / Jones / Carroll
Kidd / Beaubois / Terry

Except Butler and Stevenson, the rest would have 2 years of contending before Shaq/Kidd/Terry/Beasly/Najera fall off and we would only have one additional year of JO/Carroll.

Basically, it gives us a chance to compete and if we fail, we can still trade Dirk for some value while we shed everone elses salary.

[BBallFreak]

Honestly, I think the OP is off his rocker if he thinks they are not going to have to renounce some players to make the trade work, but I really don't see any way miami gets Boozer and Haywood unless they sign with Miami w/o S&T

One or the other, maybe....but not both.

First of all JES, no need for the "off his rocker" crack. Silly. Second of all, I posed the question. Their's a big difference between posing a question and stating that, factually, it would happen.

Now, in terms of these potential deals, I think this is Miami trying to move Beasley, and Beasley ONLY. I don't think they care, one way or the other, if JO is involved. Beasley's involvement is so that the Heat can retain Haslem or sign another starter. It has nothing to do with either Haywood or Boozer because, frankly, neither player will draw a max contract. A sign and trade isn't neccesary for Miami. It's a want.

For example, let's say Miami is working with $44 million in cap space. If Miami signs Wade at a max deal of $16.5 million, Boozer at a deal starting at $14 million, and Haywood at a deal starting at $10 million, and they trade Beasley's $4.9 million deal in the process, that leaves the Heat with about $8.4 million. That's another high quality free agent, or maybe two guys (one at $5 million (Haslem?) and another at around $3.4 million (Wright?)).

There are a lot of scenarios in play here. Having the MLE and LLE while improving the roster would be nice, but i certainly don't see it as a likelyhood...

[catalyst]

Does Beasley play more PF or SF? Could beasley work as a back up to both forward positions? I like the idea, and mavs are still left with DUST, MLE, LLE, and TEs plus expirings to trade

[JES12]

First of all JES, no need for the "off his rocker" crack. Silly. Second of all, I posed the question. Their's a big difference between posing a question and stating that, factually, it would happen.....

There are a lot of scenarios in play here. Having the MLE and LLE while improving the roster would be nice, but i certainly don't see it as a likelyhood...

I'm sorry if I came over to harsh or too silly. My bad. But I srongly doubt you will be even cl;ose to being able to do the things you are looking at w/o renouncing your players. And I also don't think Wade is staying in Miami, but that is another story that we don't need to get into. You would have to find enough players from you old roster that would be desireable to other teams to S&T you bonnified starters and you just don't have that. Q-rich is nothing. JO is barely something. Haslem...okay, if you re-sign him, great! But that still is not a team Wade would like to be on. But the best I can see there is Haslem and one of Boozer/haywood...not both w/o renouncing your players.

[BBallFreak]

I'm sorry if I came over to harsh or too silly. My bad. But I srongly doubt you will be even cl;ose to being able to do the things you are looking at w/o renouncing your players.

Apology accepted. It was more a musing than anything else.

And I also don't think Wade is staying in Miami, but that is another story that we don't need to get into.

That's cool. You can apologize for that one after he resigns

You would have to find enough players from you old roster that would be desireable to other teams to S&T you bonnified starters and you just don't have that. Q-rich is nothing. JO is barely something. Haslem...okay, if you re-sign him, great! But that still is not a team Wade would like to be on. But the best I can see there is Haslem and one of Boozer/haywood...not both w/o renouncing your players.

I agree, though you vastly underrate Q-Rich. He was fantastic for us last year. He, Haslem, and JO were the only reliable support Wade had. Each and every one of them would be great to have on a team. JO and Q were just paid far too much and both are better suited to bench roles.

Either way, it's not a big deal to me. $8.4 million to go along with Haywood and Boozer would be fine. I still think it will more likely end up as Bosh and Haywood. If the Heat can move Beasley, in one of those deals they'd still have almost $6 to sign a small forward. Josh Howard or Richard Jefferson would probably work well next to Wade and Bosh...

[shrink]

Keep in mind that the since MIA is sign-and-trading Jermaine, they can set the salary and conditions to anything he would agree with. This has the potential to give them greater flexibility to meet the salary needs or contract duration that a team would demand.

For example, While new deals must be 3-years, JO could go for a one-year pay day with a contract like:

2010-11: $7,000,000
2011-12: $8,500,000 ($2 mil partially guaranteed)
2012-13: $10,000,000 ($2 mil partially guaranteed)

JO gets more next season than the MLE, and he might get some retirement money. For another team, they really only need to risk that he can give you something for one year, and still get out of the contract. MIA adds cap space/Beasley/other assets to make the contract more appealing.

[shrink]

Simply fact is, utah doesn't want to lose Boozer for nothing but they are prepared to do so. If Utah has to go into next season with Milsap as their main big they'll do that. We've got Andrei's contract coming off the books next season (approx $17 mil), which will give us plenty of money to spend next season.

But Utah has to show Deron that they are going to be able to compete or they'll lose the risk of losing him.

I'd would be very suprised if Utah sat back and did nothing this off season, I've thought an S&T would be the perfect scenario. ...

I just wanted to say, "Good post." Its insightful, and it educates people outside of Utah what you think that their front office may do. Providing us with this kind of perspective is a definite service to the trade board.

Post on the Trade Board more often, please.

[Hoops23]

Do you really think Jermaine O'Neal and Michael Beasley are going to land Boozer & Haywood? Think that through for a second.

aren't Boozer and Haywood free agents???
I thought a team with cap space can sign them without negotiating to their former teams.