All the more reason why KOC drafted wrong

blackham9258 · Post #1 » by **blackham9258** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:04 pm

We all opined for a big, and specifically for Cousins, Favors, or Monroe. KOC needed to pull out all the stops to make it happen so that we had something to build around for the future. He didn't and now we are going to miss the playoffs, but still end with the 14th pick, or worse make the playoffs and get the 20th pick and a nice 4 game sweep from the Lakers again.

Our team is now heading into the worst kind of downhill slide. Why? The Jazz will never be bad enough to get a top 3-5 pick, and drafting between 10 & 25 just won't cut it.

KOC needed to move up no matter what. He needed to at least get Monroe which was easily obtainable if he wanted it. He could have moved Boozer at the trade deadline to get something out of him. Sometimes the best moves are made by teams who are thinking 6 months ahead of things. There was no way we were championship material last year, and we should have done something then to get a piece for the future. We should have never given Maynor away for nothing. Had we had Maynor we probably would have had the final piece to swap picks with NJ to nab Cousins or Favors too.

Now we lose Boozer for nothing, we did nothing in the draft but sit on our hands and pick the best white guy available who will be nothing special. Deron is gone in two years.

Don't get me wrong I don't mind that we didn't match on Boozer. I am mad that management is getting nothing out of him, and that we didn't make the right move in the draft. This missed draft will haunt the Jazz for years.

Post #2 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:08 pm

The Jazz pined for Cousins, but Sacramento did too.

So how easy was moving up to get Monroe either way. What did Joe Dumars tell you?

Post #3 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:10 pm

Quick heads up for people, as much as we like good players on our team, for some reason so do other teams. Crazy, I know.

blackham9258 · Post #4 » by **blackham9258** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:18 pm

GSW would have traded places with us if we offered the Memphis pick. As dumb as they were to lock in on Udoh, they would have jumped at that. Monroe was worth it, and perfect for the Jazz system. I would have preferred Cousins, but believe we probably didn't quite have enough to swap with NJ as Chad Ford said we really tried hard to do. Either that or we weren't willing to take back the 1 year salaries of Yi and Humphries.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #5 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:24 pm

You really should read up before you post something like this. KOC DID try and get Cousins, and odds are if he tried to get Cousins he tried to get Monroe. And if they were so easy to get, then why didn't any of the other 28 teams make a move for him. Why didn't OKC trade Maynor for him? You are crazy if you think Maynor would've been the difference to get us Cousins.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #6 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:26 pm

blackham9258 wrote:GSW would have traded places with us if we offered the Memphis pick. As dumb as they were to lock in on Udoh, they would have jumped at that. Monroe was worth it, and perfect for the Jazz system. I would have preferred Cousins, but believe we probably didn't quite have enough to swap with NJ as Chad Ford said we really tried hard to do. Either that or we weren't willing to take back the 1 year salaries of Yi and Humphries.

Where did you hear this? I haven't heard anything of the sort.

blackham9258 · Post #7 » by **blackham9258** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:29 pm

Calm down Quantum. What you offer for the #3 pick is different than what you offer for the the #6 pick. If Chad Ford says we were in the running for the #3 pick with the Nets, I read that we were close. Several factors could have put us over the top, but like I said perhaps at the end we didn't quite have enough.

But with the GSW's, we absolutely could have pulled that off. Thats my opinion and I am sticking with it. But spare me the personal attacks.

Lava Rock Kid · Post #8 » by **Lava Rock Kid** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:35 pm

It doesnt matter what our rookie does, unless he turns out to be the next Michael Jordan. We are overloaded at the wing. GM's allways say the draft is a crapshoot. Jazz should of gave a big man a chance, rolled the dice. I would rather have a bust at center, than a roll player at a position that we are overloaded at.

blackham9258 · Post #9 » by **blackham9258** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:35 pm

Ekpe Udoh was rated between 12-16 in the draft, but the GSW's loved him. We could have taken on a smaller contract of theirs, added the Memphis pick etc, and they still would have picked up Udoh at 9 at a lower salary.

All the experts had Detroit taking Monroe if he was still there, and Davis or Aminu if he wasn't. They also all had GS taking Udoh.

A GM should be shot if he is offered the chance to take the player he wants at a lesser salary (Udoh), and get future lottery pick to boot. We could have also taken on some minor contract to make it happen.

My point is, and was at the time of the draft, is that you do what you need to do to move up and get the big you need when you are close enough to do so.

KOC didn't and we will regret it for years to come.

Post #10 » by **StocktonShorts** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:37 pm

My theory is that:

A) the Jazz tried to get Cousins and failed (pretty well established)
B) didn't want to give up what GSW/Detroit was asking to get Monroe
C) Liked Hayward better than everyone else left, including Aldrich, Henry, Davis and Patterson

I don't think the Carlos Boozer situation affected the Jazz's draft strategy one bit.

stevebozell · Post #11 » by **stevebozell** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:39 pm

Im not sold that Heyward was the best player available, or that he will even be a good player period, but yes you still draft the best guy available, even if youre already loaded at that spot. You can trade "role players at a position you are already loaded at", but you cannot trade complete busts. Im going to wait until the season starts to make my judgement on KOC for this off season. There is still more to come.

QuantumMacgyver · Post #12 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:39 pm

blackham9258 wrote:
Now we lose Boozer for nothing, we did nothing in the draft but sit on our hands and pick the best white guy available who will be nothing special. Deron is gone in two years.
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blackham9258 wrote:Calm down Quantum. What you offer for the #3 pick is different than what you offer for the the #6 pick. If Chad Ford says we were in the running for the #3 pick with the Nets, I read that we were close. Several factors could have put us over the top, but like I said perhaps at the end we didn't quite have enough.

But with the GSW's, we absolutely could have pulled that off. Thats my opinion and I am sticking with it. But spare me the personal attacks.

So which is it? Did we sit on our hands or were we in the running and close? That's my problem with posts like this. It's just aimless rambling. There is no ground to say the Jazz sat on their hands. No reason to hate on Hayward. It's all just baseless finger pointing.

red4hf · Post #13 » by **red4hf** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 11:55 pm

Why do people assume it's so easy to complete a trade?

You do know the other team has to agree, right?

The GM can't simply offer whatever he wants, the owner has to agree wo a proposal.......

The Jazz drafted the player they thought would fit their system the best........ I have to say after watching him play in the Summer League, I can't really disagree........

Especially, looking at what other options were left........