Kleiza signed Toronto offer sheet

[Nuggets_Talk]

we didnt make it to the conference finals cause of kleiza
hes not the good anyways so let his bitch ass walk i rather keep graham
**** kleiza

how the **** does that make sense?

dude, you're a moron. two years ago with kleiza and a poor mans afflalo, dahntay jones, we made it to 6 games with lakers.

did you just start watching basketball yesterday?

are you implying we made it to the 6th game of the WCF because of LK and DJ?

[Nuggets_Talk]

it wasnt kleiza that got us there anyways

wow, so this year we got so much further huh.. dumbass.

you must be either LK or his mother.

[vitamin-water]

we didnt make it to the conference finals cause of kleiza
hes not the good anyways so let his bitch ass walk i rather keep graham
**** kleiza

how the **** does that make sense?

dude, you're a moron. two years ago with kleiza and a poor mans afflalo, dahntay jones, we made it to 6 games with lakers.

did you just start watching basketball yesterday?

are you implying we made it to the 6th game of the WCF because of LK and DJ?

either you're blind or an idiot.

i'm implying that you guys think he didn't do anything for this team. wasn't he just as big as a part of this team than a person like smith? this team has more drama than any other nba team. you think that doesn't factor in losing games?

everybody is now acting like stuck-up nancy pricks who are glad he's gone.

out of this whole roster, he's the one that kept his composure and didn't act like a sideshow attraction at a **** circus.

[vitamin-water]

it wasnt kleiza that got us there anyways

wow, so this year we got so much further huh.. dumbass.

you must be either LK or his mother.

you must not have a good point to say that.

[Nuggets_Talk]

either you're blind or an idiot.

i'm implying that you guys think he didn't do anything for this team. wasn't he just as big as a part of this team than a person like smith? this team has more drama than any other nba team. you think that doesn't factor in losing games?

everybody is now acting like stuck-up nancy pricks who are glad he's gone.

out of this whole roster, he's the one that kept his composure and didn't act like a sideshow attraction at a **** circus.

i think im suppose to post a picture with the words "U MAD?" on it now.

but anyways, he was a role player who happened to be on the team when we went far. he wasnt the reason (or in the top 5 reasons) why we made it and him leaving is not the reason or even close to why we didnt go as far last year. thats what everyone is saying. you are going too far with this.

its like saying adam morrison is the man...as soon as the lakers got him he pushes them over the top for two titles.

[Nuggets_Talk]

you must not have a good point to say that.

my point is excellent.

say hi to LK for me when you see him.

[J Smitty]

Enjoy your ban.


Scouting report on Kleiza:

Can't dribble, doesn't pass. He'll take it to the hole, but due to the lack of being able to dribble, he turns it over a lot. Due to the lack of wanting to pass, he ends up missing a lot of contested shots at the rim.

Has three point range, but is incredibly streaky. Dude's confidence is easily shaken. If he starts out missing a couple shots, he is likely to continue to miss and have a bad game. If he has a bad game, he is likely to suck for multiple games in a row. He has the emotional stability of a rat in a burning meth lab.

Can't play defense to save his life. Too slow to guard threes, not big or strong enough to guard fours. Typical euro softy.


Every now and then he'll give you a good game offensively if he gets on a roll early, but wont give you much beyond that.

[Schad]

Enjoy your ban.


Scouting report on Kleiza:

Can't dribble, doesn't pass. He'll take it to the hole, but due to the lack of being able to dribble, he turns it over a lot. Due to the lack of wanting to pass, he ends up missing a lot of contested shots at the rim.

Has three point range, but is incredibly streaky. Dude's confidence is easily shaken. If he starts out missing a couple shots, he is likely to continue to miss and have a bad game. If he has a bad game, he is likely to suck for multiple games in a row. He has the emotional stability of a rat in a burning meth lab.

Can't play defense to save his life. Too slow to guard threes, not big or strong enough to guard fours. Typical euro softy.


Every now and then he'll give you a good game offensively if he gets on a roll early, but wont give you much beyond that.

Sounds like he'll fit in perfectly.

[RRFB]

You must not have watched the 2nd half of that season, because Kleiza's role basically fell of the roster. He stopped hitting all the wide open jumpshots he used to make (I believe his 3P% was somewhere in the 20s), and pretty much refused to ever pass the ball, becoming a black hole offensively. Other than that one game in the Lakers series, Kleiza's role during the 2nd half was pretty much non-existant, in fact, I remember him racking up several DNPs down the final stretch of the regular season. To say he was just as influential as Jr was during that run is laughable.

^Directed at vitamin-water

EDIT:
Smitty's scouting report on LK is spot-on.

[The Rebel]

**** that, let him walk. We don't need to pay $5mil/year for our best player's back-up when we're this desperate for frontcourt depth. I don't know how you can say this definitely makes the team better, Joey Graham proved to be just as serviceable but on a minimum contract.

Find a better backup 4 that can stretch the floor off the bench and is one of the best backups in the league at the 3. Then look at their contract. $4.5 a year is not a bad deal for someone like Kleiza.

As for Graham being servicable, you are out of your mind. The guy had exactly one decent game. Outside of that he was on Anthony Carter's level of overated hustle that never actually seemed to do much to affect the game.

[almost famous]

lol @ LK being the reason we made it to the western finals. Wow. You sure it wasn't DJ?

LK will make a good fit in Toronto, and they got him for a pretty good price. I'm happy for him, but glad he's someone else's problem.

[J Smitty]

One decent game? Compare Graham's second half and playoff performance to that of Kleiza's second half and playoff performance of two years ago....not much difference. But at least Graham at least tried every game and could sort of guard people, unlike Kleiza.

I'd rather have Graham for the minimum than Kleiza at 5 mill. But I would also rather have Kleiza at 5 mill and use his ass in a trade in a few months, because he wouldn't be that hard to move.

[vitamin-water]

ok analyst 40 year college old drop outs, give me an update when the nuggets make it back to the wcf.

[KAVK]

I never thought he would have done this but this is the CHANCE!

FO will show their heart to the fans on this deal. LK is not a good defender but not a terrible one either. With him spreading a floor Melo and Nene activities down low will be much more affective. Always liked him here.

[Conrad420]

You must not have watched the 2nd half of that season, because Kleiza's role basically fell of the roster. He stopped hitting all the wide open jumpshots he used to make (I believe his 3P% was somewhere in the 20s), and pretty much refused to ever pass the ball, becoming a black hole offensively. Other than that one game in the Lakers series, Kleiza's role during the 2nd half was pretty much non-existant, in fact, I remember him racking up several DNPs down the final stretch of the regular season. To say he was just as influential as Jr was during that run is laughable.

^Directed at vitamin-water

EDIT:
Smitty's scouting report on LK is spot-on.

Lol no it wasnt even close

[wang000hk]

**** that, let him walk. We don't need to pay $5mil/year for our best player's back-up when we're this desperate for frontcourt depth. I don't know how you can say this definitely makes the team better, Joey Graham proved to be just as serviceable but on a minimum contract.

Saying Joey Graham is serviceable is like saying AC is serviceable backup PG too,so why the AC hate? Aside from the last game of the playoff series,i don't even want Joey Graham stepping on the court,he can't spead the floor and doesn't do anything particular well,he's better than malik allen though
Raptors fans will tell you they will take LK over Joey Graham any day of the week

[wang000hk]

we didnt make it to the conference finals cause of kleiza
hes not the good anyways so let his bitch ass walk i rather keep graham
**** kleiza

sorry but Joey Graham sucks

[The Rebel]

One decent game? Compare Graham's second half and playoff performance to that of Kleiza's second half and playoff performance of two years ago....not much difference. But at least Graham at least tried every game and could sort of guard people, unlike Kleiza.

I'd rather have Graham for the minimum than Kleiza at 5 mill. But I would also rather have Kleiza at 5 mill and use his ass in a trade in a few months, because he wouldn't be that hard to move.

I watched all of their games in the last 2 years, and Kleiza was a much better player, but if you want to compare stats here are a couple of places to start.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/395 ... ?year=2008

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/394 ... V2b0QlPaB4

Also you may want to look at each guys per, per allowed, and shooting percentage allowed here. According to every measurement Graham is not even close to the defender that Kleiza is, which is sad.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09DEN6.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/08DEN11.HTM

Then you can also take a look at some of the other advanced stats here.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ajo01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... zli01.html

I know some Denver fans love to overate end o the bench scrubs, like Demarr Johnson, Rodney White, Ryan Bowen, and now Joey Graham, but Graham is no where near the player is that Kleiza is. Sad part is Kleiza's worst stretch of basketball in Denver was better then Graham's best stretch.

[Mak]

are rap fans really bragging in here about signing LK?

I'm not bragging. I'm just excited about a new players on the team. I think everybody understands he is not a difference maker.

[Skeezo]

Raps fan here... What's scaring the hell out of me is you're comparing LK to Graham... We had Joey G for 4yrs & my opinion is not very high... BC what are you doing to us?