Rumors: Heat wants Kapono in exchange for Michael Beasley.

freshie2 · Post #81 » by **freshie2** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:15 am

These are risky moves,but one that makes sense due to the option year and relative value of the players involved. If true they should probably pull the trigger.

Post #82 » by **The Guilty Party** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:16 am

I am not a fan of Beasley's at all and have no desire to have him here. We need to keep thinking big picture in order to get top-level players in here and not a series of band-aids.

radrmd216 · Post #83 » by **radrmd216** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:16 am

It seems absolutely crazy to to pass on a virtually zero risk/high reward move.

It amazing some people get front office jobs who seem to not be that good with business decisions or game theory. We better get young players now. Sixers won't win anything in the next 5 years, even more now that the EVIL 3 are together.

radrmd216 · Post #84 » by **radrmd216** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:22 am

TGP you think getting Beasley for an Kapono is a band-aid move?

I don't see any risk in getting Beasley for Kapono. I think he could help the team or be a trade chip.

I still think trading Iggy for a young player, getting cap space sooner, and subsequently getting a lottery pick is the move to make. The Sixers just love to make moves to pseudo-compete. I don't expect the Sixers to compete for a championship this decade.

sixerfan1976 · Post #85 » by **sixerfan1976** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:23 am

its not even true that miami offered it to us.

but we dont want beasley even if they did/would.

Post #86 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:27 am

The Guilty Party wrote:I am not a fan of Beasley's at all and have no desire to have him here. We need to keep thinking big picture in order to get top-level players in here and not a series of band-aids.

I agree with this sentiment, but is Beasley a band aid?
Someone like Tyson Chandler seems like band aid. An older players that has peaked, but would improve us short term. Beasley over Kapono may improves us short term, but he is really young and has some serious on court potential. If he got it together, he could easily be part of our long term core.

If Beasley is just so toxic that you cannot have him near your whole team, fine. It is fun to make fun of him: he was kicked out of the nba 'what not to do' weekend, and has a tattoo that says he is super cool. But his talent is such that he could be a top level player, and that makes me willing to take the risk on him.

76ersxMVP · Post #87 » by **76ersxMVP** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:27 am

If someone like Ron Artest can be forgiven for his problems/troubles and help a team win a championship, I don't see how a 21 year Beasley can harm the Sixers when they are not even contending or anything. Beasley can still mature and change.

The76thDegree · Post #88 » by **The76thDegree** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:33 am

The Guilty Party wrote:I am not a fan of Beasley's at all and have no desire to have him here. We need to keep thinking big picture in order to get top-level players in here and not a series of band-aids.

I dont consider this a band-aid move at all - I think we can all agree that he hasnt lived up to his potential so by acquiring him we wouldnt expect him to put up monster numbers - we would be hoping to see if he is able to tap into that potential - if he was able to show something then we could hold onto him and have a valuable piece for the future - if not then he's just what kapono is: an expiring contract

Im not really a fan of his either - but what I am a fan of is a young guy with upside who isnt locked up long term that we could get for literally nothing

Post #89 » by **The Guilty Party** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:34 am

Michael Beasley is a band-aid. He isn't going to be traded here and suddenly get it. Michael Beasley went to SIX high schools, went to Kansas St for a year and then left for the NBA. Before this season ended, Beasley was talking about how he wished he was back in school instead of the NBA. The kid is transient and doesn't seem comfortable wherever he goes. He has a decent enough game but a more than questionable attitude.

I have no desire to add guys who don't figure to help us win and all of this talk about him being a future trade chip is garbage. He has no value now especially if the best the Heat could do is Jason Kapono. If we give up Kapono for him, where does he play? Again, I have no desire to have someone with an attitude problem on this team who is going to struggle for minutes.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #90 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:40 am

Chris Broussard is the one who started the rumor about Kapono. He said that Kapono would fit well with Miami and be able to hit open shots and as soon as those words came out of his mouth someone posted a thread about a Kapono/Beasley trade which I can't in any way fathom happening. Not that I would be against it but we are talking about the second overall pick in the draft just two years ago..A player that at 22 is labeled a bust when he's been decent so far.

The76thDegree · Post #91 » by **The76thDegree** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:40 am

The Guilty Party wrote:Michael Beasley is a band-aid. He isn't going to be traded here and suddenly get it. Michael Beasley went to SIX high schools, went to Kansas St for a year and then left for the NBA. Before this season ended, Beasley was talking about how he wished he was back in school instead of the NBA. The kid is transient and doesn't seem comfortable wherever he goes. He has a decent enough game but a more than questionable attitude.

I have no desire to add guys who don't figure to help us win and all of this talk about him being a future trade chip is garbage. He has no value now especially if the best the Heat could do is Jason Kapono. If we give up Kapono for him, where does he play? Again, I have no desire to have someone with an attitude problem on this team who is going to struggle for minutes.

I dont think he'll get it either and I do agree with what is said about his personality but he's low risk-high reward player -- even if its only a 1% chance of him turning it around Ill still take it seeing as how he isnt locked up long term - at the slightest sign things will go sour all we have to do is give him his walking papers

It's not like we would be giving up thad - we would be giving up a guy who wasnt going to get minutes anyway and isnt going to back here after next season

Post #92 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:42 am

The Guilty Party wrote:Michael Beasley is a band-aid. He isn't going to be traded here and suddenly get it. Michael Beasley went to SIX high schools, went to Kansas St for a year and then left for the NBA. Before this season ended, Beasley was talking about how he wished he was back in school instead of the NBA. The kid is transient and doesn't seem comfortable wherever he goes. He has a decent enough game but a more than questionable attitude.

And if your comfortable putting it at zero that he starts getting it here, fine. But if there is a chance he gets it more, I'm intrigued, just because his talent level is high enough, and ours is low enough.
I mean, lets not kid. Derrick Rose wasn't the one who took the tests and qualified himself for college, Tyreke Evans drove the getaway car in a fatal shooting, and Luke Walton was the lookout on a vending machine robbery.

Post #93 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:46 am

And if your reading above and saying Luke Walton doesn't look bad comparatively, remember he was the look out and they got caught.

corwin · Post #94 » by **corwin** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:47 am

Seems like a silly debate to me. Krapono has no role on this team & will be used strictly as an expiring or trade bait (which is what this talk is about). Sure Beasley has not lived up to his potential but it seems to me that Riley was unwilling to move him last season (was it for Stoudemire?). Personally, I think that teams wouldn't take him off of Miami's hands this off season because they didn't want to help Miami in free agency. So here we have a second pick with no major criminal or behavioral issues who has underperformed & supposedly needs an attitude adjustment & we're arguing about whether he is a good return for Krapono. I say roll the dice since it's a low risk & high reward kind of move.

jdimaggio555 · Post #95 » by **jdimaggio555** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:48 am

rikux777 wrote:The real question is.. Would Kapono or Michael Beasley contribute more for us this season even if its barely nothing? I don't think that is a hard question to think about.

I couldn't disagree more about this logic. This team is not winning a championship this year and should not be making moves based upon what is best for the team this year. This team has a starting backcourt with a combined one year of experience going into this year. The question to ask is who will be helping the sixers win 3-4 years from now? It's not going to be Kapono. So can you trade Kapono for a more talented player than Beasely? I doubt it. Bring in Beasely and hope that either him or Speights can become a top flight PF. Maybe Brand can help turn one of these guys into the player we hoped he would be.

Rnd Mnd of Rbnd · Post #96 » by **Rnd Mnd of Rbnd** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:48 am

Anyone think Orlando would have any interest in Beasley? So we could get Gortat in a 3-way?

Post #97 » by **The Guilty Party** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:49 am

You guys like him and want him, I respect that. I just don't have any faith in Michael Beasley becoming a cog on a winning team. I would be all for it from a talent perspective but it's the attitude problem that worries me and on a young team, I just don't want a cancer in the lockerroom.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #98 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:50 am

I root for Michael Beasley and I hope that he can turn things around. I'm not sure why all the hate for him in the first place. Obviously Miami saw something in him to pick him #2. If they want to deal him away for nothing it's their loss. While I don't think Beasley fits here at all with what we have I do think that he can find a home somewhere else. Maybe he could go to Boston and play for Rivers. Or better yet maybe he could be dealt somewhere he's promised to play. A team that has no power forward entrenched as a starter. A team like Phoenix could use him, especially with a Steve Nash there. To remain closed minded about Beasley turning things around is pretty ignorant. As for him joining us it's not possible.

The76thDegree · Post #99 » by **The76thDegree** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:53 am

we put up with Dallys awful locker room prescense and he was the longest tenured player on our team

and about his value as a trade chip: If Jerome James with his 1 or 2 years remaining on his contract can be traded anyone can be traded

Post #100 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Fri Jul 9, 2010 2:53 am

I'm guessing we all just want us to have more hope. Beasley isn't a great chance at success, and if it was signing him for Outlaw money 5 and 35, I'm guessing most of us would say PASS. But for one year and cutting our salary, I mean if it doesn't work we can just send him a one way invitation to Iverson's birthday bash, right?