The unsung hero for the Giants...

Post #1 » by **PhilipNelsonFan** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 12:05 pm

...is Ernie Accorsi. I'm not even kidding; I kept thinking about how he built this Giants team the whole game, even as the clock waned, even how Jerry Reese was seen postgame.

You can name some players if you want, but I'd rather go against the grain on this one.

randomhero423 · Post #2 » by **randomhero423** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 12:10 pm

reese's draft class was amazing this year though.

aaron ross, steve smith, jay alford, kevin boss, ahmad bradshaw....

Post #3 » by **Icness** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 5:51 pm

randomhero423 wrote:reese's draft class was amazing this year though.

aaron ross, steve smith, jay alford, kevin boss, ahmad bradshaw....

You know what's funny about that? All those guys went at least one round later than a lot of people thought they would, including Smith in the 2nd. The other thing I notice is that all of those guys were seen as very good football players but not ideal physically in one form or another. Bradshaw was too slow and not real experienced, Boss was too plodding and from a tiny school, Alford was too light and too friendly, Smith was too slight and lacks speed, Ross was not fluid enough and lacked elite speed. But every single one of those guys had shown they were good, smart football players. That's a lesson for those of you who worship Vernon Davis, Deangelo Hall, and in this upcoming draft, Ali Highsmith.

gooGD · Post #4 » by **gooGD** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:19 pm

You know, the WHOLE organization can be the unsung hero. A lot of the guys on the current team are EA guys, just like JERRY REESE is an EA guy.

Credit the Giants philosophy on consistency from top to bottom. Keeping Tom Coughlin, keeping lots of things in house... etc... Credit the original Mara/Tisch philosophy.

UrbanLegendMD · Post #5 » by **UrbanLegendMD** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:22 pm

Vernon Davis is still a beast. If he had a QB, he would've been a superstar.

LAKESHOW · Post #6 » by **LAKESHOW** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:55 pm

STEVE SMITH IS THE TRUE UNSUNG HERO!

OUTRIGHT MVP!

these other bozos arent even worth mentioning!

Post #7 » by **Icness** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 7:59 pm

Smith and Justin Tuck would split my vote for MVP

swede · Post #8 » by **swede** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 8:01 pm

Justin Tuck hates Tom Brady so I <3 him.

High 5 · Post #9 » by **High 5** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:09 pm

randomhero423 wrote:reese's draft class was amazing this year though.

aaron ross, steve smith, jay alford, kevin boss, ahmad bradshaw....

Four of those guys made a big play or two last night.

LAKESHOW wrote:STEVE SMITH IS THE TRUE UNSUNG HERO!

OUTRIGHT MVP!

these other bozos arent even worth mentioning!

The same guy that handed the Pats an INT?

Monkeyfeng06 · Post #10 » by **Monkeyfeng06** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:29 pm

steve smith for mvp?! what?

david tyree should be the mvp. he was the best wr for the giants that night. what are you guys talking about?

WEFFPIM · Post #11 » by **WEFFPIM** » Mon Feb 4, 2008 11:49 pm

Justin Tuck should be the MVP

Post #12 » by **Da Schwab** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:24 am

I voted Tuck as the MVP, but part of it is how I've preaching of him the last 3 seasons (not just here, but to my dad and my friends).

I was thinking of Ernie, as well, throughout the night, but then I realized that some of the biggest role players through the entire season were Reese's picks. I'm also happy that Ernie gets legitimized for trading for Eli in the first place.

The_Child_Prodigy · Post #13 » by **The_Child_Prodigy** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:35 am

Tuck and Tyree should have revieved MVP honours.

But that giants team had an amazing draft

deeney0 · Post #14 » by **deeney0** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 12:40 am

Tuck for MVP. This game will be remembered for the forth quarter, but lets not forget this was the second lowest scoring Superbowl of all time through three quarters. The MVP should come from the defense - if it's not Tuck, it's one of the other linemen.

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #15 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:20 am

Icness wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You know what's funny about that? All those guys went at least one round later than a lot of people thought they would, including Smith in the 2nd. The other thing I notice is that all of those guys were seen as very good football players but not ideal physically in one form or another. Bradshaw was too slow and not real experienced, Boss was too plodding and from a tiny school, Alford was too light and too friendly, Smith was too slight and lacks speed, Ross was not fluid enough and lacked elite speed. But every single one of those guys had shown they were good, smart football players. That's a lesson for those of you who worship Vernon Davis, Deangelo Hall, and in this upcoming draft, Ali Highsmith.

I'm calling you on this. Bradshaw fell because of character issues (theft), he is very fast and Marshall's all time leading rusher. Boss ran a 4.66 forty at his pro day, certainly not a plodder and he was a project as a player, not proven. Smith ran a 4.43 (or was it 4.41?).

This isn't a case of "talentless character guys," these were very talented players that got passed on in many cases for name factor (Dwayne Jarret over Steve Smith, Kevin Boss like you said is from Western Oregon, Bradshaw is from Marshall) as well as other reasons.

Post #16 » by **Icness** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 1:36 pm

The real unsung hero for the Giants--whomever broke Jeremy Shockey's leg.

Look at how much different a team they were without him. No longer did Eli settle for the checkdown to Shockey. It forced him to look to other options, more outside and downfield. When he missed on throws to Shockey they were across the middle in the danger zone; when he misses to Toomer or Tyree, they're more downfield and outside and less likely to get picked off. The opposing safety couldn't just sit on Shockey, he had to make more complex reads and make more decisions. That opens up that one-cut run that Bradshaw does so well and also cleans out the flare and short screen routes. It forced the offense to be more creative and use more of its assets, and Eli & Co. were certainly up for the challenge and better for it.

Monkeyfeng06 · Post #17 » by **Monkeyfeng06** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 9:45 pm

yeah, jeremy shockey should be gone by next season. i wonder what's his trade value?

UrbanLegendMD · Post #18 » by **UrbanLegendMD** » Tue Feb 5, 2008 11:37 pm

Monkeyfeng06 wrote:yeah, jeremy shockey should be gone by next season. i wonder what's his trade value?

Low. He's a TE who won't STFU.

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #19 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 6:50 am

Icness wrote:The real unsung hero for the Giants--whomever broke Jeremy Shockey's leg.

Look at how much different a team they were without him. No longer did Eli settle for the checkdown to Shockey. It forced him to look to other options, more outside and downfield. When he missed on throws to Shockey they were across the middle in the danger zone; when he misses to Toomer or Tyree, they're more downfield and outside and less likely to get picked off. The opposing safety couldn't just sit on Shockey, he had to make more complex reads and make more decisions. That opens up that one-cut run that Bradshaw does so well and also cleans out the flare and short screen routes. It forced the offense to be more creative and use more of its assets, and Eli & Co. were certainly up for the challenge and better for it.

Absolutely, Shockey had such a negative effect on this team. His poor attitude hurt the chemistry and his presence constantly overshadowed Eli. It's hard to inspire your guys when your TE is b****ing at you in the huddle.

It wasn't just his attitude either, he was a choker. Whenever we needed a big catch, he would (literally) drop the ball.