Packers could have had Moss for a 5th Round Pick!

DH34Phan · Post #1 » by **DH34Phan** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:23 am

The Packers reached a tentative agreement with the Oakland Raiders to send a fifth-round draft choice for Moss and were given permission to negotiate a new contract with him. Under the terms of his deal with the Raiders, Moss was scheduled to make base salaries of $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008. The Packers wanted to cut his salary down to less than $3 million.

Apparently, he didn't "like what we were saying."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=713137

Post #2 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:08 pm

Yeah this is old news. Who knows how Moss would have been in GB.

Fandom · Post #3 » by **Fandom** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:38 pm

Oh please, not this again. All the what if's, it doesn't matter anymore. It's old news; Moss is a Patriot and will probably retire as one.

Let's move on and enjoy the receiving corp we have.

jligon · Post #4 » by **jligon** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:43 pm

"Asked what he considered the "wrong things" the Packers were talking about, Moss said, "It was like they were telling me that they're going to take a chance on me, but if you do come here these are the things you have to work out: 'Be on your best behavior; Donald Driver is the top receiver here so don't come in there trying to step on his toes.' Things like that."

From my perspective, those are all the right things to say to him. I've never regretting not getting him.

Post #5 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 6:34 am

I applaud TT for not bringing this guy in.....

He's a cancer that wouldn't have worked on our team.....on New England, he's like Rodman on the Bulls. On our team he would have been like Rodman on the Spurs.....

jligon · Post #6 » by **jligon** » Fri Feb 1, 2008 8:21 am

paulpressey25 wrote:I applaud TT for not bringing this guy in.....

He's a cancer that wouldn't have worked on our team.....on New England, he's like Rodman on the Bulls. On our team he would have been like Rodman on the Spurs.....

I agree. To me his success in NE is no proof that we would have seen the same thing in GB. At least personality-wise. Especially considering how much Brett likes throwing to Jennings and Jones. I could have seen problems there. Or the obligatory throws to Moss to keep him appeased. Not good.

I won't deny that he had a great year in NE and probably would have made our passing attack even more dangerous, but at what cost? Even if the cancer thing never took hold, did we really need another temptation for Brett to throw long?

ReddManBogieMan · Post #7 » by **ReddManBogieMan** » Thu Feb 7, 2008 8:41 am

paulpressey25 wrote:I applaud TT for not bringing this guy in.....

He's a cancer that wouldn't have worked on our team.....on New England, he's like Rodman on the Bulls. On our team he would have been like Rodman on the Spurs.....

Very well said, great analogy.
Favre probably would have forced many deep passes that may have been incomplete or picked. Not upset at all about not getting that delinquent. Besides Moss quit on the Pats after his little run in with the law in early January.

th87 · Post #8 » by **th87** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 8:13 am

It's easy to play the genius and say "Oh, Moss wouldn't have worked here." I and nobody else knows if that's true.

But it is interesting to note that Moss has disproved you on all your other genius proclamations (washed up, cancer, won't do well, etc.).

ReddManBogieMan · Post #9 » by **ReddManBogieMan** » Fri Feb 8, 2008 9:21 am

Good for Randy.

Now he can go crawl back under his little rock that he had been hiding under for the last 3 years until the next team wants to trade him.

BuckFan25226 · Post #10 » by **BuckFan25226** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:33 am

paulpressey25 wrote:I applaud TT for not bringing this guy in.....

He's a cancer that wouldn't have worked on our team.....on New England, he's like Rodman on the Bulls. On our team he would have been like Rodman on the Spurs.....

Yeah, some cancer. He turns in his best season to date, and ends up being the biggest contributer to Tom Brady having the best season of any QB in the history of football. I don't care how much you hate the guy, how cocky, how much of a prick he is, after the season him and Brady put together, to say it was a good idea not to pick up up is mind boggling.

I don't like to deal with "what if's" either, but forget the Packers for a second. If New England ends up not acquiring Moss, they don't go 16-0, and they probably don't go to the super bowl. Randy Moss is the one guy who can completely change a game without touching the ball for 4 quarters.

I was upset when we didn't get him before the season, and I'm still upset now. Him and Favre would of been fun to watch.

Moss
Driver
Jennings
Jones
Robinson
Lee

:droop:

Post #11 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:49 am

We'll never know what would have happened. Could we have improved on 13-3 and home field for both playoff games? I doubt it. Could Moss have made a difference in the NFC Championship game? Maybe, but maybe we wouldn't have made it that far.

The bottom line is that while the Pats had a great regular season they finished their season the same as 10 of the other playoff teams. With a loss.

BuckFan25226 · Post #12 » by **BuckFan25226** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:00 am

MickeyDavis wrote:We'll never know what would have happened. Could we have improved on 13-3 and home field for both playoff games? I doubt it. Could Moss have made a difference in the NFC Championship game? Maybe, but maybe we wouldn't have made it that far.

The bottom line is that while the Pats had a great regular season they finished their season the same as 10 of the other playoff teams. With a loss.

Well it's obvious we'll never know what would have happened. But I find it odd to say it would of been a bad idea to get Moss after the year he had. I've been a huge advocate of getting Moss since the rumors surfaced last year.

jligon · Post #13 » by **jligon** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:34 am

The fantasy people that think players are like robots and you simply plug their numbers in, wherever they play and whoever they play with, obviously like the idea if adding Randy Moss to the Packers.

The people that believe in things like team chemistry and recognize that players can influence a team in ways other than numbers, hate the idea of Moss coming to Green Bay.

Nothing can be said that will bring these two camps together, in my opinion.

I personally lean toward the latter and the deciding factor for me is that I just don't like Randy Moss and have no interest in seeing him in a Packers uniform.

With Moss' great season in NE, the Moss supporters definitely have an argument but with the Packers being probably the most surprising and overachieving team in '07-'08, the Moss haters are equally justified in not wanting him.

And I think a lot of people have missed the point of this latest article...Moss did not want to come to Green Bay.

BuckFan25226 · Post #14 » by **BuckFan25226** » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:42 pm

jligon wrote:The fantasy people that think players are like robots and you simply plug their numbers in, wherever they play and whoever they play with, obviously like the idea if adding Randy Moss to the Packers.

The people that believe in things like team chemistry and recognize that players can influence a team in ways other than numbers, hate the idea of Moss coming to Green Bay.

Nothing can be said that will bring these two camps together, in my opinion.

I personally lean toward the latter and the deciding factor for me is that I just don't like Randy Moss and have no interest in seeing him in a Packers uniform.

With Moss' great season in NE, the Moss supporters definitely have an argument but with the Packers being probably the most surprising and overachieving team in '07-'08, the Moss haters are equally justified in not wanting him.

And I think a lot of people have missed the point of this latest article...Moss did not want to come to Green Bay.

Nobody is missing any point from the article. He said we basically treated him like piece of trash in trying to acquire him, that turned him off, New England took a way different approach.

jligon · Post #15 » by **jligon** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:44 am

BuckFan25226 wrote:Nobody is missing any point from the article. He said we basically treated him like piece of trash in trying to acquire him, that turned him off, New England took a way different approach.

Like I said, nothing will bring the two sides together. From where I sit, I don't see that anything that was said was out of place or should be considered as "treating him like a piece of trash." To me, that he perceived what was said to him as poor treatment, proves that he was not the right guy for this team.

BuckFan25226 · Post #16 » by **BuckFan25226** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:50 pm

jligon wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Like I said, nothing will bring the two sides together. From where I sit, I don't see that anything that was said was out of place or should be considered as "treating him like a piece of trash." To me, that he perceived what was said to him as poor treatment, proves that he was not the right guy for this team.

Usually when you are trying to court one of the greatest, if not the greatest receiver to ever play the game to Green Bay. You probably don't want to talk down to him and condescend him. I would of been turned off as well if they talked to me like that.

skones · Post #17 » by **skones** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:08 am

You take Moss on this team and we don't have what we do in Jennings right now.

Comet · Post #18 » by **Comet** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:12 am

Yes, Moss is very talented, but keep in mind that this past year might be the best year he's ever had and will ever have in both performance and behavior. Next year he might bring back his shenanigans and ruin the Patriots' chemistry.

That's just my opinion of course, but I'm really not sure how much, or if, Moss would've improved this team.

BuckFan25226 · Post #19 » by **BuckFan25226** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:00 pm

skones wrote:You take Moss on this team and we don't have what we do in Jennings right now.

Fine, Jennings will never be close to what Moss is.

Yes, Moss is very talented, but keep in mind that this past year might be the best year he's ever had and will ever have in both performance and behavior. Next year he might bring back his shenanigans and ruin the Patriots' chemistry.

That's just my opinion of course, but I'm really not sure how much, or if, Moss would've improved this team

.

I think everyone reads into how Moss would effect this team from a chemistry standpoint way too much. Keep it simple, giving one of the greatest QB's of all time arguably the greatest receiver of all time still in his prime. Add that to the fact you have 2 very good receivers already here in Driver and Jennings. Remember Charles Woodson was once a problem child and chemistry issue when in Oakland. When you lose, there always will be chemsitry issues.

Post #20 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:26 am

Ok I'll keep it simple.

Could we have done better than 13-3 and home field in the playoffs? No. First week bye and 2 home games is the best you can do.

Could Moss have been the difference in beating the Giants? About as much as he was a difference in beating the Giants 2 weeks later.