Heat in trouble

[DanielBoone]

I don't think you know what "collusion" means...

Oh please teach me informed and unbiased Heat fan.

Collusion is an agreement, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, which occurs between two or more persons to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage

Tell me, who's legal rights were impinged here? What market was closed? As long as the Miami Heat organization is not directly tampering with other teams' Free Agents, no rules were broken. The whole point of Free Agency is that players are free to go where they choose. That's their right, and free agents discussing with one another where they want to sign is nowhere near illegal under the CBA.

If Dwyane Wade told Pat Riley to clear out enough space for all 3 players to come to Miami because of a prearranged meeting then that basically fits your definition perfectly, Mr. RealGM paralegal.

[mopper8]

If Dwyane Wade told Pat Riley to clear out enough space for all 3 players to come to Miami because of a prearranged meeting then that basically fits your definition perfectly, Mr. RealGM paralegal.

Did Dwyane Wade tell the New Jersey Nets to clear out space? What about the Knicks, did he tell them too? Or the Bulls? Did he tell them to trade Hinrich? Clippers? He tell them to clear cap space?

Well, did he?

What evidence do you have that (a) there was any pre-arranged deal, and (b) Pat Riley was privy to this deal, and (c) Pat Riley was actively involved in the creating of this deal?

Any? Any at all?

That's what I thought.

edit: and again, that wouldn't even be colluding, that would be tampering on the Heat's part. Still not collusion.

[DanielBoone]

If Dwyane Wade told Pat Riley to clear out enough space for all 3 players to come to Miami because of a prearranged meeting then that basically fits your definition perfectly, Mr. RealGM paralegal.

Did Dwyane Wade tell the New Jersey Nets to clear out space? What about the Knicks, did he tell them too? Or the Bulls? Did he tell them to trade Hinrich? Clippers? He tell them to clear cap space?

Well, did he?

What evidence do you have that (a) there was any pre-arranged deal, and (b) Pat Riley was privy to this deal, and (c) Pat Riley was actively involved in the creating of this deal?

Any? Any at all?

That's what I thought.

edit: and again, that wouldn't even be colluding, that would be tampering on the Heat's part. Still not collusion.

**POST EDITED**

[FinNasty]

Double post...

[FinNasty]

Oh please teach me informed and unbiased Heat fan.

Collusion is an agreement, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, which occurs between two or more persons to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair advantage

Tell me, who's legal rights were impinged here? What market was closed? As long as the Miami Heat organization is not directly tampering with other teams' Free Agents, no rules were broken. The whole point of Free Agency is that players are free to go where they choose. That's their right, and free agents discussing with one another where they want to sign is nowhere near illegal under the CBA.

If Dwyane Wade told Pat Riley to clear out enough space for all 3 players to come to Miami because of a prearranged meeting then that basically fits your definition perfectly, Mr. RealGM paralegal.

As said... the Heat werent the only team to clear the room. 6 teams cleared TONS of room for this FA. They tried their hardest. If NY could have unloaded Curry's contract, they would have too... and tried to clear room for 3 guys.

If the Heat just did this out of no where, you're conspiracy theory would carry more water...

[DanielBoone]

Yeah 5 other teams cleared cap space because they thought they had a chance at LeBron James but in reality this has been planned for months (according to Bosh himself). Thats unethical, and thats collusion

[LApwnd]

much props to Riley, I would've figured Dan Gilbert wouldn't do anything to help James at this point but guess all that talk was a bunch of BS, I mean sure they got their 16 TPE and 2 future 1st might as well can early 2nd picks lol, but honestly looking at Clev track record they'll probably use that TPE and get Tyson Chandler lol and Tor will probably use their TPE on some random euro and hype him up to be the next Jordan

[FinNasty]

Yeah 5 other teams cleared cap space because they thought they had a chance at LeBron James but in reality this has been planned for months (according to Bosh himself). Thats unethical, and thats collusion

lol...

They did have a chance at LeBron. They also had a chance at Amare, Wade, Joe Johnson, Bosh, Lee, Boozer, etc...

This was the FA class of the decade. People werent just clearing room for Bron. Bron was the ultimate prize, but teams are not dumb to clear it for him and only him. They all wanted to get in on this FA class...

And Bosh has not said that this was a plan that was signed, sealed, and delivered "for months". It was becoming more of a possibility with every move Miami made to clear space, but again, no one even knew this was possible "months" ago.

And again, teams began clearing space before Miami had even begun to make room... before a "plan" could have ever possibly been conceived.

[BBallFreak]

I don't know if this has been brought up or not, but the Beasley trade, not the Three taking less cash, is what freed up space for Mike Miller. The Three taking less and working out sign and trades is why Miami will have a shot at UD returning...I have little doubt that he will.

Either way, no MLE or LLE or Bird Rights. Just cap space. Welcome home, UD...

[fefe22]

I read somewhere that Bron and Bosh will start at 14,5 mill, Wade will start at 14,2 mill, and Mike miller will start around 4,5 mill.

The Heat will have just above 4mill left, and they will go after Haslem with it.

BTW NJ is also targeting Haslem, and they have all the capspace in the world. He will probably get something like a 3years 25mill offer from the Nets.

[yaaar]

Anyone know if Larry Coon has weighed in on the Heat cap situation. He's probably the only one I'd trust at this point.