Is Danny Granger available?

[Legendary 33]

What pieces on the Bulls would entice you, minus Rose Boozer and Noah?

[Scoot McGroot]

1) No, he's not available in any capacity.

2) Rose. That's about it. Nothing else. You have NOTHING worthwhile on your roster other than Rose, Boozer, and Noah when Granger is being mentioned. You want to exclude those guys? You might get Murphy somehow then.

[Legendary 33]

Granted. What about Brandon Rush? Our team is looking for a player that can spread the floor and play defense

[blaha112]

to receive an allstar... you have to give up an allstar... if you are not willing to give up any of those three players, i suggest you look for a different player or trading partner... why do people think granger is available for nothing? dude is the face of the franchise right now...

[Legendary 33]

to receive an allstar... you have to give up an allstar... if you are not willing to give up any of those three players, i suggest you look for a different player or trading partner... why do people think granger is available for nothing? dude is the face of the franchise right now...

I took a bunch of things into consideration. The Pacers have the 5th highest payroll in the league, which isn't good for a team that's had a hard time making the playoffs in recent years.
Also, the Pacers drafted Paul George, who is sick in his own right, but does a lot of things similar to what Granger does.
Also, the Pacers almost pulled the trigger on draft day when they offered Granger and their pick for Harris and #3. That just made me feel that Granger isn't untouchable..

[ardthomp]

to receive an allstar... you have to give up an allstar... if you are not willing to give up any of those three players, i suggest you look for a different player or trading partner... why do people think granger is available for nothing? dude is the face of the franchise right now...

I took a bunch of things into consideration. The Pacers have the 5th highest payroll in the league, which isn't good for a team that's had a hard time making the playoffs in recent years.
Also, the Pacers drafted Paul George, who is sick in his own right, but does a lot of things similar to what Granger does.
Also, the Pacers almost pulled the trigger on draft day when they offered Granger and their pick for Harris and #3. That just made me feel that Granger isn't untouchable..

Larry Bird says: "It's a rumor," Bird said. "His name comes up all the time. ... It's going to take more than Devin Harris. Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back, especially throwing No. 10 in there."

[blaha112]

i agree with two things;
1) granger probably is not untouchable
But it would take a lot. although i didn't like granger +10 for harris + 3, it is WAY better than anything you are offering. At pick 3 you are hopefully getting an eventual franchise player and harris has shown some great promise.

2) the pacers have a high pay roll.
We aren't really that worried about this bc we have a ton of money coming off the books next year.

besides the top 3 players that you are unwilling to give up, i don't see anything on your roster that i am that interested in. how could you help the pacers without giving any of them up?

[Scoot McGroot]

to receive an allstar... you have to give up an allstar... if you are not willing to give up any of those three players, i suggest you look for a different player or trading partner... why do people think granger is available for nothing? dude is the face of the franchise right now...

I took a bunch of things into consideration. The Pacers have the 5th highest payroll in the league, which isn't good for a team that's had a hard time making the playoffs in recent years.
Also, the Pacers drafted Paul George, who is sick in his own right, but does a lot of things similar to what Granger does.
Also, the Pacers almost pulled the trigger on draft day when they offered Granger and their pick for Harris and #3. That just made me feel that Granger isn't untouchable..

1) The Pacers are comfortably under the luxury tax this season, and essentially have a salary cap reset set up for next off-season, much like the Heat did this off-season. Now, I'm not saying that Indy is going to be able to sign 2 superstars to go with Danny, but they at least won't have to deal with the belief that they're capped out, as they'll have almost $40-45 million in cap space.

2) Danny and Paul George (the #10 pick) for either Devin Harris or the #3, let alone both, is already WAY more value than Chicago can offer without including Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, or Joakim Noah. Even if you combine EVERY other asset you have, it's not even close.


Sure, Danny may not be untouchable, but I have a feeling that it's going to take an amazing offer for Danny to be moved. Superstar caliber young talent. Taj Gibson certainly does not suffice.

[chatard5]

I think Danny can be had somehowm but definitely not to the Bulls. It'd have to be for a young stud. I don't think we are going to have salary cap room. We at least don't need 30+ million. We can't get the stars in FA, so I say try and trade a few of these expirings for a great player (not necessarily expiring, preferably not, but they would have to be restricted when their contract is up) and bad contract, if possible.

I guess we have to see where we are in January. Maybe Paul George can make an immediate impact, along with Stephenson. Maybe Hibbert and Rush are much improved. There are a lot of teams in the East that got a lot worse, so I could see us making the playoffs. If these guys aren't ready and there wasn't much improvement elsewhere then I think we could have one of the 5 worst records in the league.

[FreeRon]

Is Rose available for anything other than Granger, Hibbert, or George?

[jowglenn]

In my opinion, the pacers, if given the opportunity, should give up Granger if it nets us an elite young PG. Fact is, with rush, stephenson and george on the wings, granger is.... expendable (though a lot of people on the T&T boards seem to think that means cheap or unwanted - HA).

For example, there was a post out on the boards involving CP3 and okafor and somesuch to boston, rondo to indiana, and granger to NOH. I would do it. Rondo is an elite young PG. I'd also cut out boston and take cp3 and okafor for granger/expiring.

It's tough though, because there are virtually no teams that have an elite point guard even remotely available - they'd need to have one to take over. NOH is the best example of an opportunity, because collison could take over.


Deron Williams? Done instantly.

Derrick Rose? Sign it, Larry!

Rondo? EC semifinals and finals MVP??? slam dunk!


The questionable parts come in when we start talking about not-exactly-elite-but-could-be-someday young PGs. Guys like Curry, Jennings, Collison, Beaubois, etc. In the right package, we might move granger for them.


If Bird really gets it, knows whats up with beaubois, dampier/beaubois/butler for granger/ford/foster might be the way to go. cut ton of salary instantly with dampier's DUST chip. Get our young, rookie-PER-leading PG. Get Butler to play for a bit then dangle at the deadline to a team that needs him.

Beaubois/stephenson/price
rush/stephenson/jones
george/dunleavy
murphy/hansbrough
hibbert/mcbobs/rolle

plus whatever we get from trading butler....

is a nice young core that I think fits very well together. We'd have to consider it.

[Indy4Life]

For Indy to get a stud PG to come to Indianapolis we will need to keep Granger.

Having 3 of the top 12 3pt shooters in the NBA along with a young inside presence with Hibbert is the ideal surroundings for a PG.

The idea of having a real distributor of the ball with George/Rush/Granger/Murphy spreading the floor and Hibbert in the middle is the only way we get a great player to come to indy....otherwise just a MAX contract doesn't get it done.

[chatard5]

It would be great to keep Granger and get a good young PG, but that just isn't possible. I feel like someone like Granger isn't easy to replace but also not very hard. Who knows,, maybe Paul George is enough? Chris Paul George Hill. Chris Paul, Paul George, George Hill. Haha, I like it.

[FreeRon]

Rondo falls flat on his face if he comes to Indiana. That team makes him, not the other way around. He's a good PG, but not on the level of the other guys you mentioned.

[Scoot McGroot]

to receive an allstar... you have to give up an allstar... if you are not willing to give up any of those three players, i suggest you look for a different player or trading partner... why do people think granger is available for nothing? dude is the face of the franchise right now...

I took a bunch of things into consideration. The Pacers have the 5th highest payroll in the league, which isn't good for a team that's had a hard time making the playoffs in recent years.
Also, the Pacers drafted Paul George, who is sick in his own right, but does a lot of things similar to what Granger does.
Also, the Pacers almost pulled the trigger on draft day when they offered Granger and their pick for Harris and #3. That just made me feel that Granger isn't untouchable..

I am interested to hear....what would've been your offer without using Rose, Noah, or Boozer? What would you have made the offer be?

[Legendary 33]

to receive an allstar... you have to give up an allstar... if you are not willing to give up any of those three players, i suggest you look for a different player or trading partner... why do people think granger is available for nothing? dude is the face of the franchise right now...

I took a bunch of things into consideration. The Pacers have the 5th highest payroll in the league, which isn't good for a team that's had a hard time making the playoffs in recent years.
Also, the Pacers drafted Paul George, who is sick in his own right, but does a lot of things similar to what Granger does.
Also, the Pacers almost pulled the trigger on draft day when they offered Granger and their pick for Harris and #3. That just made me feel that Granger isn't untouchable..

I am interested to hear....what would've been your offer without using Rose, Noah, or Boozer? What would you have made the offer be?

My personal offer would be Taj Gibson, James Johnson, Omer Asik, 2 future first round picks, and even a TPE.

Hell, I'd even throw in Joakim Noah. I love Joakim but Granger is a better for for the Bulls IMO

[Legendary 33]

And the thing is, our F.O. values Joakim a lot, but i would definitely give him up to get Danny Granger, who could help form a "big 3" with Rose and Boozer.

[Shalaska]

I understand how you feel about getting the star players of unsuccesful teams but like Bird said, to get a player like Danny, who is a great all-around player, you have to give a lot back.

Personally, I wouldn't even trade him for Rose + Noah, and I mean it. I love him as a person and as a player so I wan't him to retire as a pacer, just like Reggie. Moreover he's one of the few guys who is proud to be a pacer.

So basically, no...

[Miller4ever]

I would so totally trade him for Rose and Noah. Sorry.

[jowglenn]

Uhhhhh, yeah...... Rose and Noah? Done. yesterday.