The Heat and Tampering

[Mourning_Heat_33]

So adults aren't allowed to make their own decisions? What is tampering about this?

[HeatFanSince87]

Now.. It's just reached pathetic heights.

Sad.. Very sad. These guys signed the SAME contract in 2006 for this reason! To able to possibly play together even if it was a long shot. Miami, along with NY(who if anyone was obnoxious in their assumption they would get lebron or wade it was them), Chicago this season, the nets..all planned to have as much cap space as possible for this. Well, of the big 3.. Only Miami planned for this so we had an advantage since we already had one of them in Wade in place. Why didn't Cleveland or toronto plan for this as well? They knew they teams were saving cap space for THEIR players yet were all over the cap. You don't think if Cleveland had the heats same cap sitution and the heat were over the cap for years Wade may have looked in that direction? Give me break! It's poor planning on the cavs and raptors part... Period.

Not to
mention players are allowed to be friends.. And to play around with ideas of "man.. It be cool to all play together.. "

[HeatFanSince87]

On another note.. Are we getting CP3 as well next season?

Lol

[Hangtime84]

wade, Bosh and LBJ are free agents, then its all right for them to talk with their future. Wade and Bosh admit they talk to each other about their future. If the NBA doesn't allow it, they're already fined by the NBA.

There is no tampering by these players. I know a lot of fans are mad but its the business in the NBA we need to admit.

You Mad????

Please mods at least crack down on this on the general board

[Wade2k6]

This is why I think Riley gets far too much credit from being this mastermind Machiavellian svengali. Up until this year's February trade deadline Riley was actively involved in trade deals that would have made signing both Bosh and LeBron pretty much impossible. They went hard after Lamar Odom last summer when he was a free agent and aggressively tried to recruit him from the Lakers. The also actively pursued Amare in a sign and trade this year but couldn't put together a package strong enough to entice Phoenix. As much as both Heat fans and critics would love to believe that Pat Riley was some evil genius that was in on all of this for the last two years I actually think for the most part he just got lucky. I'm sure Riley loves that idea that he orchestrated this from the beginning because it increases his profile even further but it's the players had far more to do with this than Riley did and I don't think Riley was that much in the loop. These players have been controlling this whole charade and have been loving every moment of it.

He gets so much credit because he set this entire thing up in less then 2 years. In the trade with the Raptors he gave up Marion for JON and Moon, but the key was getting rid of Marcus Banks and his 4.7 million dollar contract that's still on the books for this year. Without getting rid of Banks, all 3 don't sign. In the trade with OKC that everybody said Presti "owned", Riley traded 2.1 million from D Cooks contract and 1.4 million on the first round draft pick, totaling 3.5 million in savings (#19 pick Avery Bradleys salary = 1.4 million); without that trade this big 3 doesn't happen. He saved 8.2 million from those trades, I'd say it's pretty damn impressive. Then he traded Beasley for pretty much nothing (he did screw that draft pick up though, should of been Lopez or Westbrook), and opened up room to sign Mike Miller (and got him to sign for below market value). Finally, he was able to get the Cavs and Raps to do a S&T for LeBron and Bosh (for less then the max), which lowered their starting first year salary enough to be able to offer Haslem a contract, which he'll probably accept. He played this off-season out flawlessly.

It's more then just Wade recruiting these guys to play in MIA, it takes great manuvering to get a team in position for this to even have a chance of happening in the first place.

[Cammo101]

I Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:27 am

Calling out each band wagoner I see. Just so BOTH the real Heat fans can enjoy what great accomplishments their management were able to achieve.

Fixed.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:27 am

Calling out each band wagoner I see. Just so BOTH the real Heat fans can enjoy what great accomplishments their management were able to achieve.

Fixed.

Hey **** you buddy

[BROWN]

I Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:27 am

Calling out each band wagoner I see. Just so BOTH the real Heat fans can enjoy what great accomplishments their management were able to achieve.

Fixed.

Man I wonder how many people actually joined, +/- 3 days as to LePippen signing with the Heat.

[I Never Lied]

This is clearly tampering and the NBA should send predator drones to monitor all activity between Rose and Tyreke.

Some here are delusional to think that these players don’t talk about anything and everything under the sun, from strip clubs to playing on the same team. The big three playing on the Olympic team had nothing to do with this. NBA PLAYERS SEE EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME. Kobe and Magette are tight. It’s just ridiculous for you all to point to a meaningless stipulation in the CBA as proof of misconduct when the said "rule" is tantamount to enforcing Jaywalking on backwoods country dirt roads in Iowa.

And to those complaining about the "openness" of the tampering need to get real. They openly expressed their desire to explore the opportunity to talk to their friends about playing together. That’s not tampering; two people cannot rape each other. Lebron was tired of losing and so were Bosh and Wade. So why not play together and erase the possibility of ever losing again? Every time Lebron gets booted from the playoffs, 5 cameramen bum-rush him and shove the camera 2 inches from his face, as if to say "Look upon the would be King, in all his glorious failure". I remember the Cavs-Nuggets game this past season, the one where Carmelo drilled those 19-footers in Lebron’s mouth to win the game. After the conclusion all they showed was a disappointed Lebron walking off the court about to cry. There was NO attention paid to the Denver even though they had just won the damn game. James garners more attention whenever he loses than the team that beat him. It so obvious James was getting tired of that shiiet, so you can’t blame him for ditching Cleveland and playing with the best players possible. He said as much himself during his interview with Larry King on CNN....

LARRY KING: So in your head, is there places you'd like to go? I'm not going to ask you to commit.

LEBRON: Well, I mean, to me, I think my ultimate -- my ultimate goal is winning championships and -- and I understand that me going down as one of the greats will not happen until I, you know, win a championship. So for me, the team that I decided to go toward (INAUDIBLE) in Cleveland, that ultimately has -- has the best chance for me to win a championship not one year, but multiple years. But for me to continue to get better and help that team win, I think, ultimately, would be my decision. I'm going to do what's best for me and my family

LARRY KING: So can we say it will not be a poor team, a team of players who you do not calculate would be there to win championships, because you can't play forever?

LEBRON: No, I cannot play forever. And that is absolutely right. But the team that I go to or -- or, you know, whatever the case may be, will have an opportunity to win championships in multiple years and not just because of LeBron James.

LARRY KING: So it has to be a good team?

LEBRON: Absolutely

This was on JUNE 4th. The writing has been on the wall. He openly said he wanted to win multiple championships and wasn’t going to join a scrub team, so it's New York and New Jersey fault for clearing all that cap space because they have scrub teams that wont be competing for a title anytime soon. None of you complained about tampering when World Wide Wes was plotting and scheming with the Bulls brass. Quit being hypocrites. The only chance for Lebron to win multiple rings and not have to shoulder the burden himself was to play with Wade and Bosh, Miami was the only place where it was possible.

[dwade3]

Didnt NY just said that they have cap space for paul and carmelo? and wasnt there report about amare trying to convince carmelo to go to NY next year? is that tampering too? so far, everybody is saying how wade, lbj and bosh talked about playing together, and thats it...thats not tampering, thats just good friends talking about playing together...

[the edge]

Great post, "I Never Lied", in other words "the quitter" did not have confidence in HIMSELF to get the job done. Could you ever imagine MJ quitting like him?

So he faked an injury in game 5 of the Boston series, took the easy way out, and bailed!

[WiseOwlWins]

Great post, "I Never Lied", in other words "the quitter" did not have confidence in HIMSELF to get the job done. Could you ever imagine MJ quitting like him?

So he faked an injury in game 5 of the Boston series, took the easy way out, and bailed!

no that would be soap opra star paul pierce.

[ball_dont_lie]

Great post, "I Never Lied", in other words "the quitter" did not have confidence in HIMSELF to get the job done. Could you ever imagine MJ quitting like him?

So he faked an injury in game 5 of the Boston series, took the easy way out, and bailed!

no that would be soap opra star paul pierce.

Not really, because when Pierce 'faked' his injury during the 08 finals, he actually went on to win the championship and MVP finals.

[I Never Lied]

Great post, "I Never Lied", in other words "the quitter" did not have confidence in HIMSELF to get the job done. Could you ever imagine MJ quitting like him?

So he faked an injury in game 5 of the Boston series, took the easy way out, and bailed!

I agree that LeBron did quit on the bums in Cleveland...



But he's way better than Paul Pierce and is still the best player in the NBA.

[FinNasty]

Great post, "I Never Lied", in other words "the quitter" did not have confidence in HIMSELF to get the job done. Could you ever imagine MJ quitting like him?

So he faked an injury in game 5 of the Boston series, took the easy way out, and bailed!

But he's NOT Jordan. He's not. It's silly to keep comparing him to Jordan. Who cares if Jordan wouldn't have done it? Really? What does what Jordan have to do with the decisions of LeBron?

LeBron isn't, and will never be, the greatest player to ever play the game. And you know what? That's ok, lol.

You guys make it sound like going down as a top 25 player of all time is a bad thing, lol...

[BubbaTee]

The Heat front office could not have been involved or plotting anything before the 2009-10 season because, if they really were sure they were getting Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, why the hell would the Heat lobby so hard for Lamar Odom for a multi-year contract? That would leave little to no room left to sign all of them. I'm pretty sure Wade, LeBron, and Bosh "talked" about it casually, but by no means did they plan to fail their teams to go to Miami. With LeBron "quitting" in the playoffs, it makes no sense that he would do that just for a reason to leave Cleveland. He has a chance for a ring, and he's going to try to make the best of it.

Stop it, conspiracy theories are so much more fun.

lj4mvp really comes off transparent when he can't hide behind numbers for his arguments any longer.

Dude, pull your head out of the sand. It's obvious the Heat have been planning this since they first poisoned Zo's kidneys. And murdered Jordan's dad.

Heat fans just want to ignore the blindingly obvious, like how Pat Riley caused the Gulf oil spill in order to depress the New Orleans economy to the point where Paul has no choice but to leave for Miami.

[Harry_Seaward]

why not clean up college athletics and government corruption while we're at it!!!

[qotsa]

"STEIN_LINE_HQ
ESPN.com reports that neither Cavs nor Raps will ask league to open tampering investigation against Miami. Link here: http://es.pn/9dF8g9"

"STEIN_LINE_HQ
NBA commish David Stern told ESPN.com that he will launch probe if either team makes formal complaint."

"STEIN_LINE_HQ
Stern expected to expound on subject of tampering further Monday night after owners meeting in Las Vegas"

"STEIN_LINE_HQ
Meeting agenda dominated by labor issues but there will be tampering talk. Some owners expect NBA to probe Heat w/out push from Cavs/Raps"

[ikidunot]

[quote="qotsa"]"STEIN_LINE_HQ
ESPN.com reports that neither Cavs nor Raps will ask league to open tampering investigation against Miami. Link here: http://es.pn/9dF8g9"

"STEIN_LINE_HQ
NBA commish David Stern told ESPN.com that he will launch probe if either team makes formal complaint."

"STEIN_LINE_HQ
Stern expected to expound on subject of tampering further Monday night after owners meeting in Las Vegas"

"STEIN_LINE_HQ
Meeting agenda dominated by labor issues but there will be tampering talk. Some owners expect NBA to probe Heat w/out push from Cavs/Raps"[/quote]

Can he do that, even if the team said no its okay? If he does do it than I think, he thinks something did go down.

[5DOM]

I'm happy that Bosh is gone and we got something for him.
No investigation please.