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Re: Dalembert 

Post#21 » by zapatasblood » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:13 am

Like I said Kings have money to spend and have no worries about the Luxury Tax Line and do not need the expiring contract.

Other then you nobody stated that they did not want him. We need a big defensive shot blocker that can start in a pinch. Like I said just throwing names out there and it does not need to be Dalembert but to me he just might be one of the better options. A big expiring contract, defense, big man, starter, rebounds, and a shot blocker.

Aaron is definitely right about on thing Dalembert will not be move until the season and more then likely at the trade deadline. When that time comes the Rockets should look into him if the do not bring someone else in.
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Post#22 » by M4P » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:21 am

zapatasblood wrote:Like I said Kings have money to spend and have no worries about the Luxury Tax Line and do not need the expiring contract.

Other then you nobody stated that they did not want him. We need a big defensive shot blocker that can start in a pinch. Like I said just throwing names out there and it does not need to be Dalembert but to me he just might be one of the better options. A big expiring contract, defense, big man, starter, rebounds, and a shot blocker.

Aaron is definitely right about on thing Dalembert will not be move until the season and more then likely at the trade deadline. When that time comes the Rockets should look into him if the do not bring someone else in.
Rip wouldn't be a significant upgrade over Evans/Garcia. If the Kings roll with Rip, they'll have to sacrifice the development of Evans at the 2. Why pay more for something you already have? It's arguable that Rip will automatically place the Kings at the 8th seed.
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Post#23 » by zapatasblood » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:36 am

Rip is a up grade over Garcia but definitely not over Evens at the 2 if that is where he will play next season. Evens on the Kings depth chart is listed as a PG and play PG at Memphis. It is arguable that Rip puts them in the playoffs but would make the team better. Now if Evens is going to start at the 2 guard then Rip would be a waste and Garcia would better to come off the bench since Garcia makes less money. Rip would also slow Evens development at the 2.
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Post#24 » by rocketsballin » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:43 am

wouldnt the kings be good at the 2/3?

evans/fran/udrich
omri/greene

both greene and omri can play the 2, not the whole game but 5-10min, sometimes more depending on matchups. sure fran was injured last season, and the season before that, but he only missed a ton of games last season. the 60 game seasons arent good but they're not terrible, played most of his games. i understand if they're concerned about his health, but if he can stay healthy they have a pretty good and big sg rotation, and beno can do some aswell w/ evans at point.

wat they really need is a point guard. prolly not one who can rack up assists, someone like blake woulda been good. a pg w/ a 3pt shot to help space the floor.
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Re: Dalembert 

Post#25 » by zapatasblood » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:54 am

Like I said Evens list as the starting PG and platooning your players as the starting PG is a bad thing. Platooning people into any starting spot is a bad all around. Rockets this year with no true center pretty much platoon that spot with no true starter. As it seems the the Kings lack a starter at the 2 spot and would be in deep do-do for the season. Unless Evens is the starting SG next season then they need to look for a PG but good luck because there are not spot up PG out there.
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Post#26 » by M4P » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:14 am

zapatasblood wrote:Rip is a up grade over Garcia but definitely not over Evens at the 2 if that is where he will play next season. Evens on the Kings depth chart is listed as a PG and play PG at Memphis. It is arguable that Rip puts them in the playoffs but would make the team better. Now if Evens is going to start at the 2 guard then Rip would be a waste and Garcia would better to come off the bench since Garcia makes less money. Rip would also slow Evens development at the 2.

I don't care where he's listed. If you seen him play (and if you've been on the Kings board), nearly everyone agrees that he'll be better off as a 2. You've basically agreed with everything I said - what's there to argue about? The Kings have no need for Rip. Also, what makes you think that they'll just give Dally away, especially considering that he's an expiring? Besides being an expiring, they're going to need someone with experience to hold down the 5. They're not going to just throw the starting 5 position to an unproven rookie.

Also what makes you think that they'd want to be stuck in mediocrity with Rip? Don't you think that they'd rather develop the young guys that they drafted so that they could hopefully turn out like OKC?
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Post#27 » by zapatasblood » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:37 am

I am not arguing it anymore. If the 2 is his true spot then no need for another starting 2. They need a PG more then anything then. Watch one month they will be starting Cousins at the 5. Didn't they start Evens in the beginning of the season. Now you still grow your players with some old vets on the team. Vets are a value to a team but Rip is not their guy to do so. I think they will move Dally since they have some good young bigs and Dally will just be a waste but at the trade deadline they will get more the the old Rip. OKC could use some vets on that team and do not under estimate the vets
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Post#28 » by M4P » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:40 am

zapatasblood wrote:I am not arguing it anymore. If the 2 is his true spot then no need for another starting 2. They need a PG more then anything then. Watch one month they will be starting Cousins at the 5. Didn't they start Evens in the beginning of the season. Now you still grow your players with some old vets on the team. Vets are a value to a team but Rip is not their guy to do so. I think they will move Dally since they have some good young bigs and Dally will just be a waste but at the trade deadline they will get more the the old Rip. OKC could use some vets on that team and do not under estimate the vets

Like Aaron said, there are available vets that are half the price of Rip.
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Post#29 » by Bruteque » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:15 pm

zapatasblood wrote:I see names at the need for PG, SF, and SG but that is the fans talking not the front office. Front office is looking into and talk to players like T-Mac and Randy Foyle but nothing about Steve Blake, Derrick Fisher, Kyle Lowry (the best PG in free agency), and Jordan Farmar.


I doubt they are looking at Lowry. Whomever they get to play guard alongside Evans has to be a good shooter.
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Post#30 » by zapatasblood » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:26 pm

I now realize that since Evens true spot is the 2 and there are no shooting PGs in free agency. They will need to trade for someone
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Post#31 » by MaxRider » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:47 pm

zapatasblood wrote:I now realize that since Evens true spot is the 2 and there are no shooting PGs in free agency. They will need to trade for someone

of course his true position is the 2, that's why they traded Kevin Martin to us so Evans can start at the 2
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Post#32 » by Bruteque » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:48 pm

zapatasblood wrote:I now realize that since Evens true spot is the 2 and there are no shooting PGs in free agency. They will need to trade for someone


I doubt that they are too worried. When Evans went down with the elbow to the face last season, Udrih solidified his position as a starting guard with very strong play. Between Udrih playing starter minutes as "shooting point" alongside Evans, and Evans playing point alongside one of Sacramento's SG/swingmen, they have their guard playing time covered. It's like somebody said early in the thread, if Cousins/Whiteside develop quickly, the Kings may be willing to trade Dalembert by mid season. However, it's not like Sacramento is/will be desperately looking for a rotation guard unless Evans or Udrih go down with injury.
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Post#33 » by King_James6 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:39 pm

Dalem-bear can be a very nice backup for Yao. He can alter shots and rebound. Morey has been going after a big and I feel he will land a good one.
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Post#34 » by SactownHrtBrks8 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:05 am

I can see the Kings trading Dalembert but maybe not. Maybe theyll trade Landry or Jason Thompson. It all depends on what is offered i think. They could see them letting Dalembert expire and have major cap space going in to what looks like the lockout year after this season
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Post#35 » by sac89837 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:30 pm

Would the Rockets do:

Dalembert->Battier+Jefferies?

The Kings can just resign Brockman and then have a five man Big man rotation of Cousins/Landry/Thompson/Whiteside/Brockman. It's the Wings we are thin at and we have to spend money on somebody since we are under the minimum.
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Post#36 » by Bruteque » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:34 pm

sac89837 wrote:Would the Rockets do:

Dalembert->Battier+Jefferies?

The Kings can just resign Brockman and then have a five man Big man rotation of Cousins/Landry/Thompson/Whiteside/Brockman. It's the Wings we are thin at and we have to spend money on somebody since we are under the minimum.


I don't see the Rockets moving Battier unless it's in a talent consolidation deal involving a near-All Star calibur player, so that is probably a no-go.
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Post#37 » by M4P » Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:58 am

sac89837 wrote:Would the Rockets do:

Dalembert->Battier+Jefferies?

The Kings can just resign Brockman and then have a five man Big man rotation of Cousins/Landry/Thompson/Whiteside/Brockman. It's the Wings we are thin at and we have to spend money on somebody since we are under the minimum.

Nah, Dalembert isn't worth 2 of our main expirings. His value will be lower during the trade deadline once you guys figure out your center rotation.
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