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Post#1 » by Rockice_8 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:24 pm

So I really don't think we are getting anybody else. Haslem will either staty with the Heat for cheap or go to a contender for similar money in Dallas. Scola was a long shot and HOU said they would match anything reasonable (we shouldn't over pay). Assuming GS doesn't match Morrow (I really hope not) I think our roster is set so lets see your best guess at a rotation next year.

Harris/Farmar/T-Will/Uzoh
Lee/Morrow/T-Will/Ross
Outlaw/T-Will/James
Favors/James/Hump
Lopez/Petro/Zoubek

I like T-WIll as the utiility guy spot min at PG and SG while backing up at the SF. James will float between SF but mostly play PF this year as we will go small alot it seems. I don't see Outlaw playing much PF just to skinny and has no toughness. We have a ton of depth at the 1-3 spots, a clog almost. I think they like James as a SF but T-Will needs to play and with us going 2 deep at each guard spot the only place left to put him is at the backup SF. There will be injuries thoughout the year so he can then slide into the backup role of PG or SG where needed but when healthy I think we need to slide James to the backup PF role for now. I really think he will earn a spot in the rotation ahead of Hump. Uzoh, Ross, Hump, and Zoubek play only when we are blowing people out. :lol:
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Post#2 » by isekii » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:43 pm

I hope dallas signs Haslem.
We just need to get this young group to gel and get experience.
No need to sign any more role players.
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Post#3 » by Preludepunk27 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:01 pm

I personally love our roster. I've been a big fan of all our acquisitions.

For the record, i was only against Morrow in the past because the contract people on this board were willing to offer was too rich for my blood. I think the contract we got him for is the STEAL OF THE OFFSEASON. He is exactly what we need in the wing rotation.

Farmar, even though you can't fault Thorn for drafting Marcus Williams at that pick, was STILL the guy I wanted in that draft. I thought he had great court vision and would have been great learning from Kidd back then. He's got 2 rings now and can bring some leadership even though he's young. I think a more traditional offense definitely suits him better and I won't cry now if Harris ever gets hurt/traded.

What I like this offseason is the style of contracts we signed players to though. We signed high character guys do friendly contracts. Some still don't like the outlaw deal but I think it is fine. I think our roster now becomes very flexible if we ever chose to explore trades. We have some guys with value and could make some strong offers to teams and not have to gut our entire team to do so. On top of that, we have a decent amount of salary coming off the books when it comes time to start signing guys to long term extensions.

Yes, missing out on the big name guys this offseason is dissapointing, but I'm not angry about it. I think we're using our money wisely and actually have a semi-decent roster with a lot of potentially tradable assets. I kept saying last season we could have won 8-10 more games if we actually HAD a coach last year. I'm gonna say that our roster has improved and with the improved coaching staff I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility we could win 30-35 games this year. I think that is a definite improvement.

One thing I'd like to see though. We need to cut Uzoh. We have no use for him. Harris/Farmar/Twill are enough to handle the point. Uzoh serves no purpose in my opinion. If we could add an offensive minded or solid all around PF, I'd be extremely happy. I never was really high on Haslem. I would love Scola but we'd have to overpay the hell out of him to pry him from Houston so I would rather not do that. I was thinking more along the lines of Leon Powe. He should be totally recovered from his knee injury now and would come pretty cheap. The fact he'd most likely be our opening night starter would be appealing to him too I believe.
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Post#4 » by Revolutionistt » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:15 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:I personally love our roster. I've been a big fan of all our acquisitions.

For the record, i was only against Morrow in the past because the contract people on this board were willing to offer was too rich for my blood. I think the contract we got him for is the STEAL OF THE OFFSEASON. He is exactly what we need in the wing rotation.

Farmar, even though you can't fault Thorn for drafting Marcus Williams at that pick, was STILL the guy I wanted in that draft. I thought he had great court vision and would have been great learning from Kidd back then. He's got 2 rings now and can bring some leadership even though he's young. I think a more traditional offense definitely suits him better and I won't cry now if Harris ever gets hurt/traded.

What I like this offseason is the style of contracts we signed players to though. We signed high character guys do friendly contracts. Some still don't like the outlaw deal but I think it is fine. I think our roster now becomes very flexible if we ever chose to explore trades. We have some guys with value and could make some strong offers to teams and not have to gut our entire team to do so. On top of that, we have a decent amount of salary coming off the books when it comes time to start signing guys to long term extensions.

Yes, missing out on the big name guys this offseason is dissapointing, but I'm not angry about it. I think we're using our money wisely and actually have a semi-decent roster with a lot of potentially tradable assets. I kept saying last season we could have won 8-10 more games if we actually HAD a coach last year. I'm gonna say that our roster has improved and with the improved coaching staff I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility we could win 30-35 games this year. I think that is a definite improvement.

One thing I'd like to see though. We need to cut Uzoh. We have no use for him. Harris/Farmar/Twill are enough to handle the point. Uzoh serves no purpose in my opinion. If we could add an offensive minded or solid all around PF, I'd be extremely happy. I never was really high on Haslem. I would love Scola but we'd have to overpay the hell out of him to pry him from Houston so I would rather not do that. I was thinking more along the lines of Leon Powe. He should be totally recovered from his knee injury now and would come pretty cheap. The fact he'd most likely be our opening night starter would be appealing to him too I believe.


Its reasoning like this that the Nets will never be great. You cant just settle for what you have and be happy. You need to be aggressive and get the best possible players you can get. Everyone was happy about the signing of Jarvis Hayes and Trenton Hassle. I was one of a very very select few that was disgusted. And look how good that team was. Now this year, Outlaw, Morrow, Petro and Farmar??? In what is considered the most stacked free agent class in history, and you are happy?? No way. The way this offseason was handled is unacceptable. There needs to be a MAJOR trade before the season starts for a real star or else youre staring at another 10 win season.
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Post#5 » by Preludepunk27 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:43 pm

^^^^

Man, OKC has basically done this and they seem to be going down a good road. To tell you the truth, the Spurs did the exact same thing. They didn't overspend on anyone. They drafted fairly well and made some decent deals. Yes we don't have a TD, but the Spurs formula has a lot more similarities to ours than how other teams like Boston went about their championship runs. We are putting together a young, high character team, spending our money wisely and doing this rebuild the right way. We have assets and a group of tradable players in friendly contracts that if an offer presents itself, we can pounce with relative ease. Your disgust for not landing a big free agent is shielding you from standing behind this team. While the glass is half full for me, it's clearly half empty with you and I guess that's why we disagree.

However, in retrospect, It's ignorant to think that we were a serious player this free agency. Even if we landed Boozer or Lee, I truly think that the Bosh/Wade/Lebron tandem was set in stone since the Olympics as long as Pat Riley created the cap space to do so. Regardless of that opinion of mine, How much better would our team be now by overspending on Boozer or Lee? If at all, not by much because we neither player would have netted us Lebron or Wade. Instead of overspending, we created a well balanced, young, still developing roster where EVERY PLAYER fills a specific roll in their position. We haven't used (and don't plan on using) all of our cap space so we won't have to gut our roster in a deal and still could be players next offseason plus we have the most picks over the next 2 years than any team.

Theoretically, if you ignore the Lebron/Wade/Bosh situation because we weren't getting any of them anyway, this honestly could have been out best summer in years. Name one other summer that honesty tops this one in acquisitions talent wise for us? Looking on the bright side of things clearly isn't your style, but I'm just saying, my side of the mirror isn't so rediculous.
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Post#6 » by Revolutionistt » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:29 pm

The Spurs drafted great players like Robinson, Duncan, Ginobli and Parker and built around them. They never had the luxury of being major players in such a deep free agent pool like the Nets were. Yes, the Spurs signed players similar to the ones New Jersey signed this year, but look at the core players they had in place. Now I cant blame the Nets for not being able to draft players like the Spurs, but they had an opportunity to get some really good players. You say the Nets were never really contenders in this years free agency, then why were you behind them shedding so much salary the last few years to allow for the opportunity for this summer while putting a mediocre product on the floor for the fans? Im still behind the Nets and am a fan, but not behind the decisions they made this summer and the last few years. And as for OKC, they have some guy on that team whos pretty good. Kevin Durant. Maybe youve heard of him...
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Post#7 » by Revolutionistt » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:35 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote: Name one other summer that honesty tops this one in acquisitions talent wise for us?


Really? Outlaw, Petro, Morrow and Farmar. The trade to acquire Kidd alone was better than this summer. And how about trading Eddie Griffin for RJ, Twin and Brandon Armstrong. Those were trades yes, but still count as offseason acquisitions.
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Post#8 » by Preludepunk27 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:39 pm

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Preludepunk27 wrote: Name one other summer that honesty tops this one in acquisitions talent wise for us?


Really? Outlaw, Petro, Morrow and Farmar. The trade to acquire Kidd alone was better than this summer. And how about trading Eddie Griffin for RJ, Twin and Brandon Armstrong. Those were trades yes, but still count as offseason acquisitions.


So...in other words, we haven't had a summer this good in almost a decade? Again, 2 ways to every argument.
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Post#9 » by mikhailjordan » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:41 pm

You have to have an actual NBA roster to win games. The Nets learned that the hard way last year so after failing to sign any of the big name free agents who would be worth what they wanted they did the next best thing and assembled an actual NBA roster... I'm not complaining.

Trades will come in the future but for now it's time to buckle up for a slow rebuild.
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Post#10 » by Nets44 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:41 pm

Harris/Farmar/Uzoh
Morrow/Lee/Ross
Outlaw/T-Will/James
TBD/Favors/Hump
Lopez/Petro/Zoubek

I really hope Lee does not start next season. I'm done with him.

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Post#11 » by Preludepunk27 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:59 pm

Revolutionistt wrote:The Spurs drafted great players like Robinson, Duncan, Ginobli and Parker and built around them. They never had the luxury of being major players in such a deep free agent pool like the Nets were. Yes, the Spurs signed players similar to the ones New Jersey signed this year, but look at the core players they had in place. Now I cant blame the Nets for not being able to draft players like the Spurs, but they had an opportunity to get some really good players. You say the Nets were never really contenders in this years free agency, then why were you behind them shedding so much salary the last few years to allow for the opportunity for this summer while putting a mediocre product on the floor for the fans? Im still behind the Nets and am a fan, but not behind the decisions they made this summer and the last few years. And as for OKC, they have some guy on that team whos pretty good. Kevin Durant. Maybe youve heard of him...


See this is how problems start. This is a major misinterpretation of my words. Net fans always held out the possibility of Lebron, but in retrospect, I think all teams that did it were fighting a battle they weren't going to win. Based on the information we know now, I think Lebron/Bosh/Wade was set in stone for a long time now.

And again, you are CLEARLY looking at the glass half empty. Our roster was dead in the water. We were never going to be any more than a 2nd round out at best with the Devin/RJ/Vince combo in the post-kidd era. We'd be stuck in cap hell, only having the MLE ever year and hoping our crappy mid-late first rounder developed into something usuable immediately. In that situation you do 1 of 2 things: You stear continue that course which obviously wasn't going to get us anywhere or you go into a rebuild. RJ's contract had absolutely no value to us. The best deal we could get was Yi and Simmons. Yi truly was gonna be the best prospect we could get in return for RJ and he was in a need position. Simmons was a throw in to make salaries work, saved us some money and gave us a point where we could start the TRUE REBUILD. The Vince deal put us on the same road, also adding the best young guy we could get in another need position. Did this also give us a chance at Lebron? Yes in fans and management's eyes. Was it realistic? Eh that's debatable.

The point I'm trying to make is our rebuild is officially starting. Would it have been awesome to land a marquee name? Hell yeah, but I think Lebron single handedly held the league hostage for the past few years at the thought we could land him. If that management's fault? Not that I believe. Would Boozer or Lee increased our chances? Don't think so now based on the information we now know. If that is the case, then why would we overspend on these guys. We'd only win 5-6 more games AT BEST and still have more holes and locked up cap for a longer period of time than we do as of today.

I think not wasting money and building a complete and fluid team where everyone serves a purpose ON THE COURT (as opposed to having random expirings like simmons or battie filling the roster and barely playing) and not killing our cap flexibility or mortgaging our future was the best thing we've done for this franchise in years. Does it make us relevant? No and I think that is why you are pretty miserable about this, but it's the right thing to do. We have the young talent in all positions that are still growing, have cap space to keep us flexible for easy changes and didn't mortage our future to do any of it.

Seriously, this is our best summer since our draft night trade for RJ which you ignore the fact that happened almost a decade ago. That is a long time.
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Post#12 » by mikhailjordan » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:15 pm

I have always maintained that the real reason the Nets shed salary was to find a buyer for the team.
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Post#13 » by Revolutionistt » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:44 pm

I dont know about you and everyone else, but id take a 2nd round playoff team over a 10 win team any day of the week. Id rather go through the excitement of being in the playoffs and supporting my team rather than seeing ownership fail to bring in quality players and make excuses about building a better future. Ive been saying for the longest time that no free agent will want to come to a team that is as bad as the Nets are, in fact if you can find threads from last summer you will see I said exactly those words. I was opptimistic before the start of last season too which turned out to be false hope. What we see differently is this, you see the team as rebuilding and I dont. I see it as horrible management and lack of going after the right pieces. Neither of us will get the other to change their minds, but I am just not happy about this offseason.
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Post#14 » by Basileus777 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:32 pm

Revolutionistt wrote:They never had the luxury of being major players in such a deep free agent pool like the Nets were.


Neither did the Nets. The truth of the matter is that the only free agent we could have potentially signed was David Lee, no one else wanted to play here. There weren't any other options. What else did you want them to do? You complain about mediocrity, but the Nets haven't locked themselves into that. This team is going to win 25-30 games and get a decent lotto pick. And that's better for the longterm future than overpaying Luis Scola to get a low playoff seed or whatever else you think we should have done.

mikhailjordan wrote:I have always maintained that the real reason the Nets shed salary was to find a buyer for the team.


Yep. This free agency class was just a convenient excuse for Ratner.
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Post#15 » by Revolutionistt » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:53 pm

Basileus777 wrote:
Revolutionistt wrote:They never had the luxury of being major players in such a deep free agent pool like the Nets were.


Neither did the Nets. The truth of the matter is that the only free agent we could have potentially signed was David Lee, no one else wanted to play here. There weren't any other options. What else did you want them to do? You complain about mediocrity, but the Nets haven't locked themselves into that. This team is going to win 25-30 games and get a decent lotto pick. And that's better for the longterm future than overpaying Luis Scola to get a low playoff seed or whatever else you think we should have done.


If they were never major players, WHY TRADE OUR BEST PLAYERS AND SHED SALARY???? Thats what im so pissed about. Other than Kidd who forced a trade we had every reason to keep our other players. As a matter of fact, the first thing should have been to keep k-mart. Was he overpaid, definately. But Kidd wasnt playing in Denver. Kidd made Martin an elite player and would have remained elite with the Nets. But enough about the past. The truth is, the Nets only have 2 more years left in New Jersey and I want them to be exciting. I dont want the next two years to blow and then have them erupt while in Brooklyn. I cant have that. My DNA does not allow me to support teams from New York in any sport. I am not a Nets fan, I am a NEW JERSEY NETS fan.
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Post#16 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:11 pm

mikhailjordan wrote:I have always maintained that the real reason the Nets shed salary was to find a buyer for the team.

Agreed.
Lebron was a pipedream that became a near reality only because of how hood Proky is.


On topic of the rotation, we literally have too much depth now and not a single true 1st option unless Bropez turns into a 20/10er. I see a trade on the horizon...
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Post#17 » by Dexmor » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:17 pm

Id be happy if they got Harrington or Craig Smith.
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Post#18 » by jeff1624 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:20 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
mikhailjordan wrote:I have always maintained that the real reason the Nets shed salary was to find a buyer for the team.


On topic of the rotation, we literally have too much depth now and not a single true 1st option unless Bropez turns into a 20/10er. I see a trade on the horizon...


^^This

Just about anyone can start at the 2,3 and 4. Lee could start at SG, yet it wouldn't surprise me if Morrow got the nod. I could see Outlaw at the 3 or even the 4. Maybe Favors starts as he could be our best rebounder.

At this point I have no clue who'll play 30+ minutes aside from Harris and Lopez.
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Post#19 » by jeff1624 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:20 pm

Dexmor wrote:Id be happy if they got Harrington or Craig Smith.



You'd be the only one.
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Post#20 » by Rockice_8 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:27 pm

Teams like the Spurs and Thunder went through these seasons. That's how they got these great players. You can't just go from a first round exit team to rebuilding and expect it to happen in one offseason. It is going to take another year or two. Look I would love to root for my team in the playoffs, but not at the expense of knowing that we would never have a shot at making it to the finals. Did you really want to sign Boozer and have little to no depth and squeak in as the 7th or 8th seed and see the Heat or Orlando and get swept out? No, thats worse then watching a 25 wins team. Right now Thorn is playing it smart, sure we could have gone after Lee for 80 mil or overbid for Boozer but that puts us right back to where we were at the beginning of last year and watching that terrible 10 win team was all for nothing because we are now a first round exit again.

If we win 25-30 games this year and come away with another top 5 player (maybe our future PG) and we know that every time a big name player is unhappy and wants out we will be major players with cap space and good young players then we should be happy with the progress we've made. Eventually Brooklyn will be here and thats when we need to be ready to make our big move and we seem to be setting up to do so.

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