Elway=GOAT wrote:I think hermes makes a good point. Brady has proven that he is very reliable in the playoffs. Which is why, I would always want him over Manning, or Palmer, Rothlisberger, Garrard or whoever you wanna throw out there. Even Marc Bulger we heard was better. Brady has shown with elite talent on the offenensive side of the ball, he can put up Peyton Mannnig type numbers. He isnt nearly as much a no show as Manning in the playoffs either imo.
Another thing is, you have to seperate QB's. Especially pre 04' to now. Guys are putting up rediculous numbers after the rules change, that they normally wouldnt. Brett Favre has had his best season this past year, and hes 38 years old. I mean if that dosen't say something I dont know what does. Culpepper benifeted in 04 from the rule change as well.
Warners 99 season, was possibly the most impressive season for a QB I have seen.
Just nitpicking here, but it wasn't really a rule change, but rather, a more strict enforcement of a rule that was changed years ago.
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...Is this topic serious?
You can't honestly believe that one year makes or breaks a QB as a GOAT? Look at the entire body of work, not some narrow-minded and tunnel-visioned view at one single season.
I don't believe I failed there. As his career accomplishments now vs what he had last season are no different other than a having individual stats padded all season long. I'm pretty sure at this point last year most would say Peyton was the better QB and Brady had the better system. So what changed from then til now to elevate him to the GOAT? It must be his individual stats. My point is that his AMAZING season was only marginally better than what Daunte put up. IMO that is not enough to mark him as the GOAT.
You've completely missed the point. The difference is, except for one other season, Daunte has never placed in the top-10 of DVOA or DPAR (IIRC). Never. Brady on the other hand, along with Peyton Manning, has been the only QB in the past 5 seasons to consistently place in the top-10 (maybe perhaps even the top-7) of DVOA and DPAR (IIRC).
And he's not just a "systems" QB. If you've actually paid attention to his team, you can see that the Offensive philosophy of the Patriots has changed quite a bit over the time. Even moving to a spread offense like he has this season (like Peyton's been playing for the past couple of seasons) has significantly improved his raw and advanced statistics.
Brady has been a consistently great QB working with marginal skill position players through all this time. Now that he has actual talent on those skill positions, he has shown that he's able to match up to Peyton's juggernaut offensive output, and even exceed him.