The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

sixerswillrule · Post #481 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:14 pm

The bottom line is Iguodala can do everything that Ariza does but so much more. You could argue that we have no need for all of those extra things that Iguodala can provide (I don't agree), but no way would that mean that we should trade him for the far inferior player without getting the necessary incentive in return. Which to me would be Jordan Hill and their 1st, or only the Knicks' 1st.

Sixerlover · Post #482 » by **Sixerlover** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:15 pm

Boy oh boy our city seems to have a reverse case of homerism with Iguodala, and forgot how good he actually is, and how rare his skillset, endurance, and defensive ability is for one player.

bdownbear · Post #483 » by **bdownbear** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:19 pm

November 2004.........Remember the times we fell in love with Iguodala. And how untouchable he was. sigh.....

Post #484 » by **Sixerscan** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:20 pm

phiphan wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:Ariza is no where near the player Iguodala is.

I would do Ariza and Hayes for Iguodala.

Why would Chuck Hayes be the deal maker for you? He stinks.

Hayes is one of the best defenders in the league. Certainly better than any of our bigs

ZarcMumoff · Post #485 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:25 pm

bdownbear wrote:November 2004.........Remember the times we fell in love with Iguodala. And how untouchable he was. sigh.....

June 2001.......Remember the times we fell in love with Iverson. And how untouchable he was. sigh.....

sixersunderobie · Post #486 » by **sixersunderobie** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:37 pm

Mid 1980's, remember how we all adored former 76ers mascot Big Shot....sigh

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #487 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:40 pm

BringBackKorver

So you're going to trade Iguodala for a 20 minute per game player?

Feel free to jump to conclusions partner any time you want. There is strength in numbers I guess. Yes Ariza could play 20 minutes for us a night and i'd be fine with that. If Chuck Hayes was added to the mix I think we would be better defensively and it would open up time for Thaddeus Young. While some say Young is a defensive liability we would then have Ariza to play in his spot. Ariza doesn't demand the basketball and can hit from outside. He's also a very good defender.
Once again.... We wont be getting a superstar back for Iguodala. It's just not happening. Read what Stefanski said in regards to dealing him. He specifically stated that they would need value in return and that player would need to at the very least be a solid rotation player. That is why I can see the Ariza + Filler trade for Iguodala having legs. OK?

Might as well just trade him for a TPE if that's all you think he's worth.

YEP!!! Thats exactly what I said..... Iguodala is worth nothing! Deal him for cap space. Please don't put words in my mouth or ASSume things. Again.... please read what Stefanski has said.... We wont trade for Iguodala for cap space... They want a rotational player in return. They want value in return... They want to be a competitive team... They don't want to trade him just to save money... They would like talent in return.. How many times have you had to read it?
You seem to be incapable of understanding the point i'm getting at. You along with many others on this forum overvalue Iguodala. I never said trade him for nothing but to think that you can get astronomical value in return for him is stupid.

sixerswillrule · Post #488 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:46 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Read what Stefanski said in regards to dealing him. He specifically stated that they would need value in return and that player would need to at the very least be a solid rotation player. That is why I can see the Ariza + Filler trade for Iguodala having legs. OK?

An Iguodala trade would most likely mean we are looking for more youth, meaning young incentive along with Ariza. Something like Hill and a 1st, which it seems most people here besides you are saying we would need in return...

The76thDegree · Post #489 » by **The76thDegree** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:51 pm

I would do an Ariza, Hayes and a first/prospect for Iggy

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #490 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:56 pm

"sixerswillrule"

An Iguodala trade would most likely mean we are looking for more youth, meaning young incentive along with Ariza. Something like Hill and a 1st, which it seems most people here besides you are saying we would need in return...

I don't care what most people here are saying. I'm going off of what SF76 reported and that is Ariza + a filler of some sort. If that filler is Jordan Hill that so be it. If that filler is a future 1rst then we are making out ok. Never... Not once did I ever say Ariza straight across for Iguodala. Please.... read my posts about this before assuming things. All I did was state why I think Ariza is a good fit here and why I would deal Iguodala for seemingly mainly Trevor Ariza. He'd be the biggest name from HOUSTON we would be getting in return.

An Iguodala trade would most likely mean we are looking for more youth

If that is true then why did we look into acquiring Amare Stoudamire last deadline with Iguodala as the bait? Not saying you are wrong but from what I see we are looking for equal talent in return and not more young talent as we already seemingly have enough of that.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #491 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:57 pm

The76thDegree wrote:I would do an Ariza, Hayes and a first/prospect for Iggy

Thats a nice deal in my opinion.

The76thDegree · Post #492 » by **The76thDegree** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:02 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
The76thDegree wrote:I would do an Ariza, Hayes and a first/prospect for Iggy

Thats a nice deal in my opinion.

I think so - Ive liked Ariza for a few years now - Plus having a defender like Hayes is always good - I dont care if he's 6'6'' if the man is capable of defending bigs then Ill take him especially with the defense already set very well at the 1,2,3 (the 3 now being Ariza/Thad)

I would like hill in there as well and just move speights in a separate deal

sixerswillrule · Post #493 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:07 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I don't care what most people here are saying. I'm going off of what SF76 reported and that is Ariza + a filler of some sort.

SF said what the Rockets' offer was. Not what the Sixers would do. We're saying that we would need Hill and a 1st, and that we hope the front office feels the same way. We don't know how they feel. Usually filler only means an insignificant player whose salary is included to make the trade work. I would guess Jared Jeffries in this case. If that's all, it would be a horrible trade...

If that is true then why did we look into acquiring Amare Stoudamire last deadline with Iguodala as the bait? Not saying you are wrong but from what I see we are looking for equal talent in return and not more young talent as we already seemingly have enough of that.

Okay, so we could trade Iguodala for a veteran that is an equal or better player, or we could trade him for more youth. Ariza without young incentive would fit into neither of these two categories...

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #494 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:15 pm

"sixerswillrule"

SF said what the Rockets' offer was. Not what the Sixers would do. We're saying that we would need Hill and a 1st, and that we hope the front office feels the same way.

Look.. with all due respect nobody here works for the Sixer front office. For example was the Dalembert trade everything you expected in return??? I don't think anybody here including myself has ever predicted a perfect trade scenario that has actually happened. With that said I hope like hell the filler mentioned is not Jared Jeffries but rather someone else we can use.

Okay, so we could trade Iguodala for a veteran that is an equal or better player, or we could trade him for more youth. Ariza without young incentive would fit into neither of these two categories...

How much is Iguodala going to be missed if Ariza was to come here, shoot well from outside, average a respectable 13-14 ppg as a starter or off the bench, and defend equally as well as Iguodala can? I"m not going to start an entirely new topic of who the better defender is but Ariza is not too shabby of a defender at all.

HotSauce77 · Post #495 » by **HotSauce77** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:16 pm

It would make no sense to trade for Ariza with the current composition of our team. To make it work cap wise, we'd have to take a horrible player like Jefferies as well. That would be a salary dump move in my opinion. I'm okay with them dumping salary if that means moving Brand as well and freeing up substantial salary, but not something that won't help in free agency and won't make us any better as a team.

sixerswillrule · Post #496 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:22 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Look.. with all due respect nobody here works for the Sixer front office. For example was the Dalembert trade everything you expected in return??? I don't think anybody here including myself has ever predicted a perfect trade scenario that has actually happened. With that said I hope like hell the filler mentioned is not Jared Jeffries but rather someone else we can use.

Based on SF constantly saying over the past few months that we're not looking to trade Iguodala, yeah I would except them to want a significant amount of value along with Ariza.

How much is Iguodala going to be missed if Ariza was to come here, shoot well from outside, average a respectable 13-14 ppg as a starter or off the bench, and defend equally as well as Iguodala can? I"m not going to start an entirely new topic of who the better defender is but Ariza is not too shabby of a defender at all.

I'll repeat what I said earlier:

Iguodala can do everything that Ariza does but so much more. You could argue that we have no need for all of those extra things that Iguodala can provide (I don't agree), but no way would that mean that we should trade him for the far inferior player without getting the necessary incentive in return. Which to me would be Jordan Hill and a 1st.

Slacktard · Post #497 » by **Slacktard** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:24 pm

sixersunderobie wrote:Mid 1980's, remember how we all adored former 76ers mascot Big Shot....sigh

Man Big Shot looked like a reject from Fraggle Rock that did crack, but I'd take him 100000x over Hip Hop. I'd give a standing ovation if all of a sudden Big Shot came out on the floor and knocked the crap out of that bunny

The76thDegree · Post #498 » by **The76thDegree** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:33 pm

I wouldnt be adverse to taking on Jefferies - Hes a big body who can come off the bench and provide some defense - plus his contract is expiring

Hill,Ariza, Jefferies for Iggy, Willie

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5615020

PhenomThad31 · Post #499 » by **PhenomThad31** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:39 pm

Hill and Speights/Hawes doesn't work way to soft.

I do like they Hayes, Ariza for Iguodala deal though. Ariza is a much better fit on our roster he is a glue guy that is just fine being the 3rd or even 4th fiddle, I don't think Iguodala will be able to concede being the number 1 option on the team to a rookie.

agiaco · Post #500 » by **agiaco** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:55 pm

PhenomThad31 wrote:Hill and Speights/Hawes doesn't work way to soft.

I do like they Hayes, Ariza for Iguodala deal though. Ariza is a much better fit on our roster he is a glue guy that is just fine being the 3rd or even 4th fiddle, I don't think Iguodala will be able to concede being the number 1 option on the team to a rookie.

I don't see how losing talent in a trade is better for our roster. Iguodala is a good fit here and he can adapt to being a 2nd or third option. People are devaluing him so much it's crazy. I know he's not a superstar, but he's a rare breed of player that brings almost everything to the table.