The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[sixerswillrule]

was told their offer was iguodala and jason smith for ariza, jeffries and jordan hill. Was not told of any picks being involved.

we told them we would get back to them and are still pursuing other options throughout the league involving thad and/or kapono

They need to say add a 1st or no deal.

[Sixerscan]

well if we did that.. we would then have green, kapono, and jeffries as expirings... how much is that in total? i would think thats a pretty damn good trade chip/chips at the deadline or end of this season

If we're trading Iguodala we're not going to make a move at the deadline. We're rebuilding. At least, I assume, I don't really know at this point.

Jordan Hill doesn't excite me very much.

[Sixerscan]

SF, can you give us a sense of what the short and long term goals are for the current Front Office?

Do they want to go young and build over a few years? Do they want to get back in the playoffs at all costs top spur some fan interest (and save Stefanski's job?) Do they want to free up financial resources or just trim costs?

Stefanski just talks platitudes about "liking our young players" and wanting to make "basketball decisions." I had a good handle of what he was trying to accomplish back a few years ago (win some with Brand while preserving a young core for future improvement) but now that plan went splat, what is the new plan beyond Collins/Turner?

This.

[the_process]

If you do like him and want to move forward, we all know that Ariza is not as good as Iggy. So, the disparity in trade value can be bridged by several options.

Houston's assets that they are willing to give up imo are: (listed based on value top to bottom)

1. NY or HOU pick.
2. J. Hill (#8 pick, long, athletic, mobile 4)
3. J. Taylor (think a more explosive and younger Willie)
4. Jeffries (~7mil expiring contract, versatile defender)


You might get a combo of 1-2 out of the 4 assets they are willing to part with but nothing more.

Ok, I will accept Ariza and Jeffries as well as the 1st rounder w/ the rights to swap with the Knicks for Iggy and Green. That should give the Sixers 2 lottery picks. I would also accept their pick with Hayes, Hill, Ariza, and a 1.8 mill TPE for Iggy and Speights. But I would wait a little before I made this trade, the Magic may be a place where the Sixers can send both Iggy and Brand AND receive some help PLUS a huge expiring (Gortat, Bass, and Carter).

[sixerfan1976]

I think they want to clear some money or at least gain some expirings but still put themselves in a position to compete..three expirings would make good trade bait at deadline.

Personally I think Jeffries and Hill are throw ins but I think Ariza is a perfect fit to this basketball team. Can play D..doesnt need to dribble the ball like Iguodala does.

Also like the deal for houston..jason smith gives them some size..and Brooks,Martin,Iguodala,Scola,Yao aint a bad group...

hope it happens...but was given no inclination that we are close to moving on anything.

plan is to play hard..become relevant again...and d up..other than that...I havent heard more of a formal plan than that.

[phiphan]

Ariza is no where near the player Iguodala is.

I would do Ariza and Hayes for Iguodala.

Why would Chuck Hayes be the deal maker for you? He stinks.

Hayes is one of the best defenders in the league. Certainly better than any of our bigs

I'm guessing you're looking at 82games.com? I simply refuse to believe that his opponents' PER was that low at PF this season. Look at his personal +/- (-7.7 -- giving up 21 versus his own 13), and also his previous season guarding PFs (PER of 14.7).

I think someone forgot to carry the 1.

[tk76]

I think they want to clear some money or at least gain some expirings but still put themselves in a position to compete..three expirings would make good trade bait at deadline.

But to what end? To save money? To make a big FA signing prior to the lock-out?

I can't fathom them trading those expirings for a big ticket (15M+) star- because that would put them in a horrible financial position for the following 2 seasons- and no way Comcast agrees to that.

[Sixerscan]

I'm looking at how the guy plays.

He's widely known as a good defender. That PER was probably a fluke, but he's still very good. Sucks at offense though.

[phiphan]

Fair enough.

[KrazySixersD]

why would u want to add green instead of smith?? green is an expiring.. we need to hold on to him and kapono if we are going to get jeffries as well.. we can either trade at deadline or have i believe close to or around 16 mill expiring at the end of this season

[The Guilty Party]

well if we did that.. we would then have green, kapono, and jeffries as expirings... how much is that in total? i would think thats a pretty damn good trade chip/chips at the deadline or end of this season

Jeffries makes $6.8M which means that when you combine him with Kapono, Green, and Hawes (RFA)... you would have a total of $20.4MIL in expirings. That number could go higher if you wanted to count Thad as an expiring deal as well.

That deal is extremely tempting simply because Ariza would be a solid fit at SF with what we are trying to do. I like his defense and the fact that he doesn't dominate the ball in order to get his offense. I honestly don't know what to make of Jordan Hill. I liked him coming into the league all of 12 months ago. I don't think he can be labeled a bust yet and so I'd like to see what Collins could do with him.

[Sixerscan]

I think they want to clear some money or at least gain some expirings but still put themselves in a position to compete..three expirings would make good trade bait at deadline.

I hope that's not their plan. Because that isn't a plan, it's putting a foot in the door while keep another one out. I really doubt they'll get anyone that much better than Iguodala that will be worth the lack of chemistry that comes from picking up someone in February.

Only the Sixers would try to clear cap space the year before a lock out.

[KrazySixersD]

i dont care who it is... i want no center who stands 6'6 ... i dont care who it is

[thaddeusyoungin]

If Ed trades Iggy and Smith for Ariza, Jeffries, and Hill I would be a little pissed. I think Hill is a bust. I'd want their 1st round pick with the NY swap in addition to that package. Maybe the Knicks will suck or Amare or someone will get injured and we get a high lottery pick.

[ZarcMumoff]

I would probably do that offer. Ariza is just as good of a defender, and doesn't need the play to be effective. Less money, and slightly younger as well.

Hill? I'm mixed on. With the Rockets, he did pretty well in limited minutes. 6.5 PPG and 4.9 RPG. Per 32 would be about 14/10. Still mixed on him.

Since the 76ers aren't in any hurry, I would pretty much tell them that we need a 1st round pick. Hopefully they budge. If they don't, then maybe you do pull the trigger.

Tempting offer though.

[PhilasFinest]

its certainly an intriguing deal...

Ariza has alot of the same strengths Iguodala has...(great D, hustle, athletic, great on break,stat stuffer)
but comes at more than half the cost.... Iguodala is obviously the better player, but with Turner coming in and his ball handling ability, it might make sense to try and go young, and build around him and jrue to try and utilize them to the max.

Im also a Jordan Hill fan.... he hasnt gotten a ton of opportunities, but i think he could develop into a good athletic hustling 4/5.

i guess the main questions are:
will Iguodala/Turner/Jrue work?
how much better will Iguodala get or has he plateaued and is it worth the $$$.

[KrazySixersD]

ariza is cheaper, a year younger... has more length and height to him doesnt he? he doesnt need the ball like iguodala does which i think is important... i would do this deal if we could get that ny knicks pick swap in it

[icd_forever]

If they could pull off Ariza, Hayes, Hill, and NY pick oh H'yeah.

But I'm kinda curious about the timing of deciding to move him.

Since I don't work in the front office, I don't know what deals have and haven't been proposed.
But if Iggy and Brand for T-Mac was on the table this is a step down if you want to rehabilitate the team. Also if Minny had been as interested as it was rumored at draft time, that would of been a good time to put on pressure.

Truthfully, I'd rather big Ed not try to trade with Houston or Oklahoma City. It was like me trading baseball cards with the slow kid up the street when I was a lad.

[Sixerscan]

Where is this coming from that Ariza controls the ball less than Andre does? Last year (AKA the only year he averaged over 9 points a game) him and Iguodala had almost identical usage rates and shots per game.

Moreover, for their careers

Ariza averages 11.1 shots per 36 minutes
Iguodala averages 11.2 shots per 36 minutes

In fact, I would argue Ariza is even more of a chucker than Iguodala because he doesn't have anywhere near the handles Andre does to create looks for himself and teammates.

Hill and Ariza is not enough. Hill's value derives from the Knicks thinking he was worth the 8th overall pick last year. Otherwise he's just like every other big man that doesn't get it. We need Hayes or picks.

[tk76]

IMO if you want to trade Iguodala for a bargain version then I'd much rather have a guy like Terrence Williams- who is much younger and much cheaper.

Ariza is only 1 year younger and not exactly cheap. Iguodala could be your 3rd or 4th star on a great team. Ariza could not fill that role.