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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#21 » by heathmalc » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:29 pm

KiDdFrESh wrote:^^^Your crazy man.

Who do you think Houston is going to roll with at backup PG? I still think the team will match and continue to try and sell high on AB.



You are wrong. Quite wrong. Brooks played 35.6 minutes a game last season, has a much better shooting stroke than Lowry (out to 3 pt arch), he pressures the ball the same as lowry, he's the same size, about the same age, plus he is liked by Adelman and is under contract for less than 3 million next season.

So, according to you, the Rockets are going to dump Brooks for (Maybe a protected 1st), and keep Lowry, who is the weaker shooter, will more than double what Brooks makes, has played 10 minutes less per game, and has virtually the same stats except in the shooting dept, where Brooks kills Lowry (with the exception of the FT line, where it is nearly identical). That makes NO sense! If there was even a chance of that, the the Rockets would have played them even or near even minutes. What makes this theory of yours even more perplexing, is that there is only 2 teams (Indiana and Portland) who need a starting point guard. Houston has already had S&T talks with both, but have gotten no where. Now Houston is going to give up one of the fan favorites, who is very young, and key to the team success? I don't think so.

Want further proof that your idea is wrong? Kyle Lowry isn't very good in half-court situations...like Brooks. Which is why Adelman isn't fond of him. Lowry is a nice enough guy, but he is a firecracker, and hasn't become even average in the half-court game... which is how Houston plays...HAS TO PLAY, as long as they have Adelman and Yao Ming.

As for back-up PG, there are a lot of 2nd & 3rd tier guys available to them at the PG position, who will gladly take the vet minimum to stay in the league and have another chance. Also; Ramon Sessions is EXTREMELY available to anyone who will take him. Mabe they decide they like him and trade Jefferies expiring contract to Minny for him (& pick up a TE in the process).

Another possibility is instead of A.P., Houston may want Delonte. West would fit their team very well, and could play backup for both Martin and Brooks. Heck, that may even be a better trade for both teams.
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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#22 » by clutch24 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:49 pm

Lowry is a talented player but he's not worth a 4 year/24 million dollar deal.....
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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#23 » by Depressio » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:51 pm

So much fail in a single post. It's likely you don't watch as many Rockets games as I do (all 82 per year), so let me shine some light on some of your fallacies.

heathmalc wrote:Brooks ... pressures the ball the same as lowry...


Brooks doesn't pressure the ball nearly as well as Lowry. In fact, the difference is night and day. Lowry was, statistically, the biggest change-of-pace player in the ENTIRE NBA at some point last season.

heathmalc wrote:... Brooks kills Lowry (with the exception of the FT line, where it is nearly identical)...


First, I agree that the Rockets won't be trading Brooks any longer. The idea was the use him to get a superstar (e.g., Chris Bosh, Chris Paul, etc.), but seeing as how most of them have moved, this is probably not going to happen. Lowry would be more than capable of running the show, however, if the need arises. In fact, that's why he's so valuable as a back-up.

Lowry gains on AB with true shooting percentage which includes free throws. He draws a ridiculous amount of fouls and tends to convert those opportunities with a good FG%. Brooks is still learning to draw fouls via contact like Lowry does. I think you're severely selling Lowry short as far as pace and drawing fouls is concerned.

heathmalc wrote:Which is why Adelman isn't fond of him.


Haha, you don't think Adelman likes Lowry? Where on earth did you get that from? Adelman likes Lowry so much, that he's in the game a lot even when Brooks is because of his ability to push the pace (which is a hugely favored thing by Adelman).

heathmalc wrote:Lowry is a nice enough guy, but he is a firecracker, and hasn't become even average in the half-court game... which is how Houston plays...HAS TO PLAY, as long as they have Adelman and Yao Ming.


What? Adelman is a fast-paced offense sort of guy. That's how we played last season, that's how we'll probably play a lot this season. Contrary to popular belief, you can play fast-paced even with a big guy like Yao Ming because he can take those plays off. It's not quite the 7-seconds-or-Shaq that Phoenix was running a year ago, but Yao won't be running the floor with the other four. He doesn't need to. On pushes, he can simply hang back and if the push fails, then he can get up the floor like normal.

heathmalc wrote:Another possibility is instead of A.P., Houston may want Delonte. West would fit their team very well, and could play backup for both Martin and Brooks. Heck, that may even be a better trade for both teams.


If you think Houston wants/needs Delonte while they have Budinger, Martin, Ariza, Battier and Taylor all at that position, you are crazy. We're already too wealthy at that position and have zero use for Delonte West.

I'll say it again: Houston will be re-signing Kyle Lowry.
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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#24 » by S.W.A.N » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:51 pm

Its been tweeted by morey they are matching offer...
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Post#25 » by Depressio » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:03 pm

heathmalc wrote:I know that many of you think that Houston is going to match, and that I am dead wrong, but I am not.


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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#26 » by Icness » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:14 pm

Smells a lot like Kevin Ollie redux to me. Plus it just crawled across the NBA TV ticker that the Rockets matched.
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Post#27 » by mcfly1204 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:17 pm

Good one Heath, sound logic.
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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#28 » by Vader » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:20 pm

The offer is matched.

Best wishes to Cavs.
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Post#29 » by foo82 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:31 pm

Here's link. GM plans ot match.
http://twitter.com/dmorey
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Post#30 » by Guy986 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:37 pm

Good now go and sign Luis Scola to an offers sheet.
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Post#31 » by heathmalc » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:39 pm

Vader wrote:The offer is matched.

Best wishes to Cavs.

dmorey: Congratulations to Kyle Lowry on his new deal. We plan to match agreement and we are excited he will be returning to the Rockets
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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#32 » by zapatasblood » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:41 pm

heathmalc wrote:
Vader wrote:The offer is matched.

Best wishes to Cavs.

dmorey: Congratulations to Kyle Lowry on his new deal. We plan to match agreement and we are excited he will be returning to the Rockets


Hell yes Lowry will be back in a Rocket jersey.
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Post#33 » by Moreyball » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:42 pm

heathmalc wrote:It is VERY unlikely that Houston will match this offer. They'd like to... but their problem is that if they do, it guarantees their salary cap to be about 62 million without Mike Harris or Alexander Johnson's unguaranteed contracts, and without knowing what Scola's final cap number will be.

I know that many of you think that Houston is going to match, and that I am dead wrong, but I am not. Houston will try to figure out a trade with the Cavaliers instead. It may be for part of the TPE (doubt ful Cavs will do this, unless as a last resort. Guess we'll see how good Grant is, eh?), or it may include a smaller part of the TPE and a player that the Rockets could use...like Anthony Parker. The Rockets have Kevin Martin at SG, and nothing after him. Ariza was played out of position for much of last season because of the Rockets' lack of a SG.

One Scenario is A.P. for Lowry, (3.2M trade exception) and a future 2nd rounder.


They did match and you are dead wrong.

Plus the owner, Les Alexander has said he's more than willing to go over the 70 million luxury tax.
Harris and Johnson won't make the team after we sign Brad Miller and the Rockets payroll right now is about 68 million after signing Patterson and Lowry. Miller should round it out to about 70 and then whatever Scola gets 8-10 mil.

Rockets could also use the MLE if they wanted.
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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#34 » by Guy986 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:45 pm

heathmalc wrote:
Vader wrote:The offer is matched.

Best wishes to Cavs.

dmorey: Congratulations to Kyle Lowry on his new deal. We plan to match agreement and we are excited he will be returning to the Rockets


Its a done deal man. What your Gm go on twitter to announce something like that its done.
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Post#35 » by heathmalc » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:54 pm

Depressio wrote:Brooks doesn't pressure the ball nearly as well as Lowry. In fact, the difference is night and day. Lowry was, statistically, the biggest change-of-pace player in the ENTIRE NBA at some point last season.


I don't agree with that (being night & Day). Lowry pushes it harder (all the time), but Brooks pushes the ball a lot, and could push more, but he is also a shooter, which Kyle isn't.

Depressio wrote:Lowry gains on AB with true shooting percentage which includes free throws. He draws a ridiculous amount of fouls and tends to convert those opportunities with a good FG%. Brooks is still learning to draw fouls via contact like Lowry does. I think you're severely selling Lowry short as far as pace and drawing fouls is concerned.

No, I am not selling Kyle short. I like him better than Brooks. I'm well aware that Lowry gets to the line a lot, and that he is a better defender than Brooks, and that he presses the ball on offense AND defense.

Depressio wrote:Haha, you don't think Adelman likes Lowry? Where on earth did you get that from? Adelman likes Lowry so much, that he's in the game a lot even when Brooks is because of his ability to push the pace (which is a hugely favored thing by Adelman).

No, He was played because Ariza didn't do very well at the 2, and the only other 2 Houston has is Kevin, who they got in February.

Depressio wrote:What? Adelman is a fast-paced offense sort of guy. That's how we played last season, that's how we'll probably play a lot this season. Contrary to popular belief, you can play fast-paced even with a big guy like Yao Ming because he can take those plays off. It's not quite the 7-seconds-or-Shaq that Phoenix was running a year ago, but Yao won't be running the floor with the other four. He doesn't need to. On pushes, he can simply hang back and if the push fails, then he can get up the floor like normal.


I have been following Rick for over 17 years. He is NOT a fast paced guy! He is a half-court guy, who likes to push the ball on FB. Houston played faster last season because they HAD to! You had a 6'8 guy playing center...he was NOT going to be able to score over 7-footers (or most of them anyways). If you watch as much Rockets ball as you claim, then you should know that Adelman is not a run & gun coach...never has been, never will be.

Depressio wrote:If you think Houston wants/needs Delonte while they have Budinger, Martin, Ariza, Battier and Taylor all at that position, you are crazy. We're already too wealthy at that position and have zero use for Delonte West.

You say you know the Rockets so well... then tell me... why is it that you don't know that Chase, Shane and Trvor are all small forwards? Taylor? Are you kidding me? Seriously?

Depressio wrote:I'll say it again: Houston will be re-signing Kyle Lowry.


You may very well be right... but your reasoning wasn't.
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Post#36 » by Guy986 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:05 pm

I agree with Health on a few of your points but you're dead wrong if you think Adelman doesn't like Lowry. He doesn't play Lowry at the 2 out of necessity. He plays him at the 2 because he compliments Aaron Brooks extremely well. He went on record to say that the back court of Brooks and Lowry is extremely effective. He tries to play that whenever he can.

We'll continue to see Lowry getting minutes at backup SG. Not a lot but some.
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Post#37 » by MaxRider » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:16 pm

Guy986 wrote:I agree with Health on a few of your points but you're dead wrong if you think Adelman doesn't like Lowry. He doesn't play Lowry at the 2 out of necessity. He plays him at the 2 because he compliments Aaron Brooks extremely well. He went on record to say that the back court of Brooks and Lowry is extremely effective. He tries to play that whenever he can.

We'll continue to see Lowry getting minutes at backup SG. Not a lot but some.

on defense Lowry > SG, Brooks > PG
on offense Lowry > PG, Brooks > SG
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Post#38 » by aznkillabeezZz » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:22 am

It's a fair contract for lowry, he worked his butt off every game for us. He's a difference maker. If he's on the court , we're always competing. Thanks to Cleveland for offering him not over 6 million.
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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#39 » by Meatcookie » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:46 pm

heathmalc wrote:Want further proof that your idea is wrong? Kyle Lowry isn't very good in half-court situations...like Brooks. Which is why Adelman isn't fond of him. Lowry is a nice enough guy, but he is a firecracker, and hasn't become even average in the half-court game... which is how Houston plays...HAS TO PLAY, as long as they have Adelman and Yao Ming.


It is partially true, making Yao run and run and run isn't a good idea. So while Yao is in the game, Adelman slows it down a little bit for our first unit. When our second unit come in the game, the pace really increases. That is where Kyle comes in and just pushes it. While Yao was injured last season, our first unit would keep the game close, and our second unit would get the lead back. Sure we were hurting not having Yao playing and over 20 million in salary not playing in TMac, but our bench was deep and we could still compete. It really showed during the first part of the season. After we added new players through trades there were adjustments to be made and new chemistry to form. So our win loss record kinda evened back up.
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Re: CAvs sign Kyle Lowry to a offer sheet 

Post#40 » by Krapinsky » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:06 pm

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heathmalc wrote:Want further proof that your idea is wrong? Kyle Lowry isn't very good in half-court situations...like Brooks. Which is why Adelman isn't fond of him. Lowry is a nice enough guy, but he is a firecracker, and hasn't become even average in the half-court game... which is how Houston plays...HAS TO PLAY, as long as they have Adelman and Yao Ming.


It is partially true, making Yao run and run and run isn't a good idea. So while Yao is in the game, Adelman slows it down a little bit for our first unit. When our second unit come in the game, the pace really increases. That is where Kyle comes in and just pushes it. While Yao was injured last season, our first unit would keep the game close, and our second unit would get the lead back. Sure we were hurting not having Yao playing and over 20 million in salary not playing in TMac, but our bench was deep and we could still compete. It really showed during the first part of the season. After we added new players through trades there were adjustments to be made and new chemistry to form. So our win loss record kinda evened back up.


Houston was 6th in the league in pace last year

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