Reinsdorf talks Big 3; Regrets Dealing Hinrich

[JordansBulls]

Having Kirk we would have had the Wade stopper and the Lebron stopper on one team.
Kirk being the Wade stopper and Deng being the Lebron stopper.

Add in Noah as the Bosh stopper as well.

[SimonFish]

Having Kirk we would have had the Wade stopper and the Lebron stopper on one team.
Kirk being the Wade stopper and Deng being the Lebron stopper.

Add in Noah as the Bosh stopper as well.

That's my thought as well. Losing him really hurt our chance to beat Miami, which was already low. People tend to intentionally forget that Kirk Hinrich is the best Wade stopper in the league. That's frustrating.

[BuLLs>LiFe]

There is no such thing as a Wade stopper or a Lebron stopper. At times, yes, Deng and Hinrich played some very solid defense against them, but the point is, Wade and Lebron are both superstars for a reason. They score on EVERYONE. Hinrich was a solid player, but regardless of who we sign as our starting SG next year, Hinrich's time in Chicago was done.

[larcat]

I loved Kurt. Loved him. Gritty!

On the other hand, I cannot count the number of times I have watched the bulls and thought to myself "OMFG KURT, MAKE. THE. GOD. DAMNED. SHOT." The bad part of his shooting % always seemed to come when it was needed most.

[mysticbb]

Having Kirk we would have had the Wade stopper and the Lebron stopper on one team.
Kirk being the Wade stopper and Deng being the Lebron stopper.

Add in Noah as the Bosh stopper as well.

I wouldn't call them stopper, but those players can make it hard for the Heat and their big 3. I really wish they never had traded Hinrich (or there would have been an option to get out of the deal after the decision by James). Also Thabo Sefolosha would have been a nice guard to have right now...

That team needs defensive minded players, tough players who are not afraid of playing physical basketball. You can't beat James, Wade and Bosh with talent, you can outfight them and make it tough for them. Hinrich would have the right mindset for such a team.

[HoopsPro]

"I think if we could have cleared space for three of them, we might have gotten them all. We just couldn't clear the space."

Why not ? If it took dumping every contract on the team except for Rose, that should have been done. (Basically, that's what Miami did) If I'm a GM and have the opportunity to have a core of Rose, Bosh, Wade, and Lebron, it really wouldn't matter if Noah and the rest were gone. While it might have been hard to trade Deng's contract, the fact that he was given such a contract in the first place shows poor planning.

2010 was a once in decade event and Miami was planning for this for years, the Bulls should have been too.

[kyrv]

"I think if we could have cleared space for three of them, we might have gotten them all. We just couldn't clear the space."

Why not ? If it took dumping every contract on the team except for Rose, that should have been done. (Basically, that's what Miami did) If I'm a GM and have the opportunity to have a core of Rose, Bosh, Wade, and Lebron, it really wouldn't matter if Noah and the rest were gone. While it might have been hard to trade Deng's contract, the fact that he was given such a contract in the first place shows poor planning.

2010 was a once in decade event and Miami was planning for this for years, the Bulls should have been too.

You do know that Wade was recruiting them to Miami right?

That Noah should have been a reason for people to come here right?

Trade Noah? Good grief.

Were you telling them to trade Noah two weeks ago? Me neither.

[Spimothy Leary]

In the entire three days I've been here, I've never told you guys this, but Kirk Hinrich is the reason I started watching the Bulls again after Jordan left. I can relate to him because we're both from Iowa, we both played point guard, and we both share the same first name. It's truly sad to see him gone. Did we ever have a Kirk Hinrich appreciation thread?

is there any chance that you both like white fish and are swell lookers ?

[Franch1ze]

In the entire three days I've been here, I've never told you guys this, but Kirk Hinrich is the reason I started watching the Bulls again after Jordan left. I can relate to him because we're both from Iowa, we both played point guard, and we both share the same first name. It's truly sad to see him gone. Did we ever have a Kirk Hinrich appreciation thread?

is there any chance that you both like white fish and are swell lookers ?

Definitely.

[mysticbb]

2010 was a once in decade event and Miami was planning for this for years, the Bulls should have been too.

Yeah, and the Bulls would have no team right now while gifting players to other teams. Not enough that the Wizards got Hinrich and a pick, no we should also have gifted other teams Noah, Deng, Gibson and so on. Nice idea to make the Bulls complete meaningless.
The Heat were able to do that and confident, because they had Wade already and there was little doubt that he will sign with Heat again. Those three players have thought about that for two years now, maybe the Heat were just in a better position due to better informations. Maybe ...

[HoopsPro]

You do know that Wade was recruiting them to Miami right?

That Noah should have been a reason for people to come here right?

Trade Noah? Good grief.

Were you telling them to trade Noah two weeks ago? Me neither.

Did you even read the statements made by Reinsdorf ? HE stated the Bulls might have signed the big 3 if the Bulls had cleared enough cap space. Wade knew the Bulls didn't have the cap space to sign all three, that's why Wade was trying to get all three to Miami.

As for Noah, go back and read some of the threads. I said over and over that if the Bulls could get Bosh/Lebron by trading Noah, they should do it in a heartbeat. And I'm willing to be the majority of the NBA owners would agree with me on this.

[mysticbb]

Did you even read the statements made by Reinsdorf ? HE stated the Bulls might have signed the big 3 if the Bulls had cleared enough cap space. Wade knew the Bulls didn't have the cap space to sign all three, that's why Wade was trying to get all three to Miami.

Actually, Wade wanted to stay in Miami, this his team, his city and the people love him there. He likes the weather, the beach and all that. The chances were very, very, very small to get Wade in the first place.
Don't fool yourself with the idea that the three would have choosen the Bulls, if the Bulls would have had the capspace. And it would have been easy to clear the capspace, just combine Deng and Rose and the capspace would have been there. With Noah and those cheap players the team would already be better than the Heat right now. And believe me there would have been a lot of takers for a Deng+Rose combination.

As for Noah, go back and read some of the threads. I said over and over that if the Bulls could get Bosh/Lebron by trading Noah, they should do it in a heartbeat. And I'm willing to be the majority of the NBA owners would agree with me on this.

The Bulls had Noah as an asset to get Bosh, he would have been Bosh's insurrance to not play center. That could have worked very well. I still think Bosh and James to Chicago would have been the better decision from a basketball perspective for both of them. They would have fit very nicely here. And seeing the raised salary cap both could have started at around $16m instead of $14.5m. Well ...

[thunderspirit]

"I think if we could have cleared space for three of them, we might have gotten them all. We just couldn't clear the space."

Why not ? If it took dumping every contract on the team except for Rose, that should have been done. (Basically, that's what Miami did) If I'm a GM and have the opportunity to have a core of Rose, Bosh, Wade, and Lebron, it really wouldn't matter if Noah and the rest were gone. While it might have been hard to trade Deng's contract, the fact that he was given such a contract in the first place shows poor planning.

2010 was a once in decade event and Miami was planning for this for years, the Bulls should have been too.

Which would have been great and all, once Wade took his boys down to Miami -- like they'd been planning since the 2008 Olympics -- and the Bulls were suddenly without a team.

[HoopsPro]

Actually, Wade wanted to stay in Miami, this his team, his city and the people love him there. He likes the weather, the beach and all that. The chances were very, very, very small to get Wade in the first place.

Sure, Wade likes the warm weather, etc...but it was Wade who said he might leave unless Pat Riley upgraded the team. And it was Steven A Smith who reported that Wade was serious about the Bulls if Miami was unable to get Bosh or Lebron. And it was Lebron who said he was serious about the Bulls.

These guys want to win, and will go wherever they have to go to win. That's why Lebron left Cleveland, and why Bosh left Toronto. From everything I've read in the last three weeks, Lebron was sincere in his desire to play for the Bulls, as was Bosh. The tipping point in Miami's favor was the additional cap space which was available for Wade. It really doesn't matter now, because the Bulls FO didn't make the necessary deals to get the cap space to compete with Miami.

[HoopsPro]

Which would have been great and all, once Wade took his boys down to Miami -- like they'd been planning since the 2008 Olympics

But JR didn't say that - what he said was the Bulls might have signed all three had they cleared enough cap space. Nowhere did JR say that the Bulls never had a chance to sign any of them. In fact, he admitted he traded Hindrich because he felt the Bulls had a shot at Lebron/Bosh.

[mysticbb]

The tipping point in Miami's favor was the additional cap space which was available for Wade. It really doesn't matter now, because the Bulls FO didn't make the necessary deals to get the cap space to compete with Miami.

Seriously, do you really think there would have been NO team taking on a Deng+Rose package? Really? No team would have taken those two players for free? You can't be serious, if you think like that. And the FO would have pulled the trigger at the very moment Wade, James and Bosh would have agreed to terms, no doubt about that.

[PMONSTER]

We needed flexibility so not only am I cool with the move, I wish nobody cared about this statement

[HoopsPro]

Seriously, do you really think there would have been NO team taking on a Deng+Rose package? Really? No team would have taken those two players for free? You can't be serious, if you think like that. And the FO would have pulled the trigger at the very moment Wade, James and Bosh would have agreed to terms, no doubt about that.

Huh ?

[cowraiser]

Ben Gordon also surprised that Bulls traded Hinrich...

Ben Gordon, here for a seminar on front-office management, said he was surprised the Bulls traded Kirk Hinrich.

[mysticbb]

Huh ?

That would have been necessary to make room for those 3 players and give them even more money as they have right now. You wouldn't trade Rose for the chance to get James, Wade and Bosh? Or what do you mean? I would do it in a heartbeat and I LOVE Derrick Rose!