Peachtree Hoops: Nixing the Shaq for Marvin Williams Trade

[KJizzle]

According to Michael Cunningham it is Shaq's camp that is pushing for this sign and trade and the Hawks reportedly "like their core" and are not really open to the idea of busting it up. The report has Shaq asking for around 16 million for two years and to be a starter of which the Hawks are offering neither.

Hoopinion has the Cleveland side of the story from Brian Windhorst. He reiterates what Cunningham says in his story except he adds that league sources say the Hawks are motivated to trade Marvin Williams. The Cavs GM Chris Grant has a history with Williams having worked in the Hawks front office but the story points out Williams disappointing 2009-10 season.

Doesn't appear that this is something the Hawks are actually considering and looks like most of it is coming from the O'Neal camp to try and get more $. Will update if anything else becomes available.






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[td00]

Not surprised because you're talking about a guy who made 20M last year. That is a significant drop to the MLE, and still teams are moving away from him.
Shaq getting himself a 2 year, 16M contract is a stretch. He is asking the wrong team to take on that load. I also figured he wasn't interested in coming off the bench. He knows how thin we are at center.

I don't look for this to get done, and if Shaq is looking for those numbers, he might not give you his best effort at the MLE level.

[evildallas]

I don't look for this to get done, and if Shaq is looking for those numbers, he might not give you his best effort at the MLE level.

That last part is a big key with Shaq. I would have doubts about his willingness to get into shape at that 8M price tag as well. Shaq could still be a big contributor if he wants to, but he could really divide an already fragile locker room and undermine a coach if he isn't in the right mindset. I have trouble imagining that he would be on his best behavior in Atlanta without a real superstar to have "ownership" of the team and locker room. The starting is another issue that could really divide the team as well. Al Horford is unlikely to embrace coming off the bench as he was an all-star last year at C and hasn't signed an extension yet. Moving Josh to SF is a recipe for disaster on both ends and I don't think he'd be happy with the bench either.

Sometimes fit is more important than overall talent. Brad Miller or maybe Erick Dampier is sounding better as an alternative. After that I think it drops to Theo Ratliff and Earl Barron in the free agent C market. The options are dwindling.

[The Diesel]

Stephen A Smith, a very close friend of Shaq, says Joe Johnson has called Shaq to tell him to sign with the Hawks.

[CALPURNIA]

I really think we should sign Shaq, trade Marvin, start Shaq and look for another SF.
Josh Howard is available. Could we het him if Shaq signs for the MLE?

I believe that by doing the same things, you always get the same results. In sports, even worse results, because the opponents can start doing things better than you.
So, what is better?
- keep the core, the starting line up, finish 3-4-5 in the Conference and go home in the second round?
- do the trade, insert Shaq in the line up, move Horford to the 4, move JS to the 3 or bring him off the bench?
The second one grants you nothing, except some more tickets sold per game. If it works, we could be may be a first or second seed in the Conf. If not, we could be out of the POs, but more probably would be a 7-8 seed.

[evildallas]

If we sign and trade for Shaq rather than using the MLE on him it would show that the team isn't willing to break the Luxury Tax threshold. I wouldn't get my hopes up for any replacement greater than 3M a year. Also the larger Shaq's deal would be the less they would have to spend on a replacement at all.

[HMFFL]

Matt Barnes is suppose to make his decision soon, so maybe this trade gets done, and we end up signing him with some of the MLE. People are saying Matt Barnes is leaning towards Miami over Boston, but Matt said it's going to be a big surprise.

[geeman]

There know way I'm giving Shaq 8mil! If we trade Marvin for a salary dump I want to include Bibby and get a Future First round pick.

[FCNATL85]

What about a Bibby + Marv + future 1st for Shaq + Mo Williams ?
or sign B. Miller and trade Bibby + Williams for Mo Williams

Williams- Teague- JC
JC - JC bis
JJ- Mo- Sy
Smoothe- (FA)- Zaza (Zaza)
Al- Shaq (Zaza)- Miller

[killbuckner]

Matt barnes is still waiting on a big payday. I'd be shocked to see him end up with the Heat.

[D21]

it is Shaq's camp that is pushing for this sign and trade

I said it some days ago, it's more Shaq than CLE that wants that, it's the only solution for him to get moe than the MLE, and gets more chance to convince Drew to start him.

But Josh at the SF can work with a guy like Miller, but not with Shaq.

There know way I'm giving Shaq 8mil! If we trade Marvin for a salary dump I want to include Bibby and get a Future First round pick.

We don't have to do salary dump, we have to improve the team.
That's the point to dump some of our players that have some impact even if less than what we hoped (I did not hope it last year because of Woodson giving all to Joe and Crawford) to get a Shaq at 8M that will only help us being swept by 10pts a game by ORL instead of 30pts ?

If sending players don't help us more than that, don't do it and keep them to a potential bigger trade later.
You don't know what can happen, and maybe later in the season you could do a Marvin+Crawford trade for something that really improve the team more than Shaq.