Larry Bird's terms for a PG...

[DWCP2]

The fact that he's talking to multiple teams everyday suggests that they don't like his terms and want him to cough up a young star for a chance with a PG.

This has been Larry Bird's terms for getting a PG since the draft:

Base of any package is Ford (8.5M) or Murphy (just short of 12M)

Only youth he's willing to part with is either Rush or D. Jones

If filler is nessessary Foster (6.6M) or S. Jones (1.5M) are the only pieces he'll allow in.

No other players, draft choices, or major amount of cap space will be used in the acclimation of a quality PG.

So why are things bad as of now? Right now no team has the need for expiring contracts because there is still plenty of talent in the well.

Come August 1st, IMO, that is expected to change. When teams start looking at 2011 and making the moves they need to make to get under and go after the talent they covet, the Yao's, Anthony's, and Parkers, etc, they will turn to Indiana for their contracts and will have to sacrifice a young PG to get the expirings and cap space they covet.

Yes it will be a steep price and Larry Bird has no problems waiting every team in the league outright to get what he wants. He has always been a patient man professionally, both as a player and now the head of basketball operations. If he don't get what he wants, he will simply hang up the phone and go after the next guy until he gets what he covets.

Teams and their fans are starting to learn you can't win against Larry Bird, every deal he has made or nearly made has been a patient deal, and he ultimately wins in the end.

[8305]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the Pacers haven't offered Watson the same deal he had last year with the exception that this year he's the starter going in. Watson in turn is probably not resigning until he is satisfied there isn't a significantly richer offer for him someplace else..

[granger05]

Do we even have a roster spot to offer to Watson, or anyone for that matter? I just checked on hoopshype, and by my count we have 13 players under contract. I'm ignoring Tinsley who we are still paying, but who I assume does not eat up a roster spot. The list does not include Lance or Magnum and I think we'd like to keep those guys. I'm guessing a couple of these deals aren't guaranteed (McBob and Price for example), but still

1) Murphy
2) Granger
3) Ford
4) Dunleavy
5) Jones
6) Foster
7) George
8) Rush
9) Hansbrough
10) Hibbert
11) Jones
12) McRoberts
13) Price

I think we have to make a trade to get a PG. I'd prefer to cut Solo since Rolle is cheaper and can do the same things, but I think Solo's contract is guaranteed although I don't know where to check this. We don't have to trade for a PG, but we have to trade to free up a roster spot even to sign one.

For the OP, I'm not sure where you've pulled this list of terms from. I think you're stating them with a bit too much authority, but overall I agree that the interviews and rumors and such seem to indicate that the Pacers aren't interested in taking on money beyond next year unless they get a guy they think they can grow with.

On another note, I do believe that we need a competent PG but I'd gladly settle for a guy like Eric Maynor. I don't have any desire to make a big move for an all-star PG. I see people talking about getting one of those, but I don't know why. It seem to me that the teams that win championships rarely have an all-NBA type PG. The Celts in '08 had Rondo, but he really wasn't Rondo yet. Parker and Billups both qualify I guess (and both were finals MVPs), but I think that in those cases the accolades really starting rolling in after the fact to reward them for their postseason play. They weren't necessarily though of as highly prior to that. I think you have to go back to Isiah Thomas to find a PG that was the clear best player on a championship team. That's not saying much I guess since every championship in that 20 year window has been won by like 5 teams.

Still, I think you need a guy that sets everyone else up, plays good D, and can make shots. That's it. I don't need an all-star. I'd settle for a Jarrett Jack type.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Thisyear we can play Lance, TJ, and AJ when he gets healthy. Why do you want a PG right now? Are we competin for a championship?

[pacers33]

Thisyear we can play Lance, TJ, and AJ when he gets healthy. Why do you want a PG right now? Are we competin for a championship?

Lance is way to fresh man, or maybe not, but it's his first season and he's out of position. Maybe I'm wrong, look at Tyreke! I think TJ could start, he's really fast but that's 'bout it.

[Kerrsed]

You guys need to go after Sessions.

[pacers33]

You guys need to go after Sessions.

He's alright. Wait, he isn't in Minnesota? Thought he was.

[Kerrsed]

You guys need to go after Sessions.

He's alright. Wait, he isn't in Minnesota? Thought he was.

He is in MIN and they are looking to trade him. From what i understand both IND and CHA are looking at him.

[pacers33]

You guys need to go after Sessions.

He's alright. Wait, he isn't in Minnesota? Thought he was.

He is in MIN and they are looking to trade him. From what i understand both IND and CHA are looking at him.

Decent, I wouldn't mind him, but he's not that great offensively. He's a good passer, but you'know I don't think he should be our main priority.

[Miller4ever]

Sessions is good at offense. In any case, I would take a playmaker over a scorer. This team doesn't lack firepower, it just lacks efficiency, playmaking, and defense.

[DeeJay]

I remember that game where Sessions had like 44 points one time with the Bucks.
I think he may of had 10 assists as well.

[Kuq_e_Zi91]

I remember that game where Sessions had like 44 points one time with the Bucks.
I think he may of had 10 assists as well.

44 and 12 on 72% shooting (13-18). He got to the line 21 times (the entire Pistons team got to the line 28 times) and converted on 18 of them. But it was all for naught, the Bucks lost that game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 70MIL.html

[Starkiller]

Thisyear we can play Lance, TJ, and AJ when he gets healthy. Why do you want a PG right now? Are we competin for a championship?

Thank you.

[DWCP2]

The thing isn't Sessions, it's Kahn.

Kahn has turned 99.9 percent of his conversations with Larry Bird into Danny Granger trades and this is no different.

He tries hard to screw with Indiana.

[Solid]

I hope that is Larry's position - admirably reasonable. As to his acumen in pulling off trades I'd rate him a B-. We seem to have gained character yet lost talent more than once. Almost a forced hand, yet I can't help but wish we'd come out better. It's a shame that it takes years to get to such a starting point. But now finally we do have some nice assets (all considered), let's hope they're well utilized. And patience here is indeed a virtue.

[Wizop]

I think your summary is total speculation. read what pacers.com wrote recently summarizing his statements on radio talk shows. he says nothing about packages having to contain Ford or Murphy and in fact he says that we've worked hard to get cap room next summer and are not going to blow the plan by taking on long contracts now. sounds to me like he'd much rather move one of the Jones for a point guard of equivalent salary than trade an expiring contract like Ford or Murphy.

[TDotRep]

Do you guys wish you would have been able to keep Jarret Jack somehow?

[Boneman2]

I guess from the perspective JJ was basically DJones and EWatson's salary, yeah it might have been wise to just give him the loot. Regardless JJack was only leading us to the middle of the pack, so losing him wasn't too substantial.

I don't have a negative or positive feeling about losing him. I really don't.

[damadmonk]

How about...


Jose Calderon for Dahntay Jones and Jeff Foster

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1041384

[Indy2thaWindy]

That is right below this thread. Why put it on a thread almost a week old?