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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#641 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:19 am

They just signed Lowry but I do like your deal. Frankly I think they are pretty high on Chase Budinger being a major part of that team so I don't see where they deal him.
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Post#642 » by sem3376 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:36 am

Trading lou williams has nothing to do with evan turner playing the point. Jrue holliday is the current and future point gaurd and as staterd by doug collins when jrue gets a blow, turner will handle the ball and lou will is gonna be running off the screens just like he did in detroit with lidsey hunter with grant hill taking over at the point. So at no time will lou williams be playing the point he is a 6'1" back up shooting gaurd. The point gaurd experiment is over.
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Post#643 » by youngcrev » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:39 am

I'd prefer someone that can shoot and defend in place of Lou
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Post#644 » by Wydmuch » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:16 am

I would like that too. Someone that isnt 6,2 at the 2. Dont know why so much people are in love with Lou, not wanting to trade him for someone more appropiate.
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Post#645 » by philly262 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:29 pm

Well I don't think the Rockets would take Williams now that they resigned Lowry.

Maybe Lou can go to a 3rd team, okay maybe since Indy kinda likes Lou for Foster...

So 3 way....

Indy trades
Foster and a future 2nd round pick

Philly trades
Lou and Iggy

Houston trades
Ariza, Jefferies, Hill and Budginer and their 11' First round pick with the right to swap with the Knicks.

Indy gets
Lou Williams

Philly gets
Ariza, Jefferies, Hill, Budginer, Houston's 11 first round pick, and a future 2nd round pick from Indy.

Houston gets
Iguodala and Foster

Indy gets a cheap option a PG, who might not be a pure PG, but Obie's system doesn't really need one, and Lou playing on an open system like Obie has potential to put up huge numbers.

Philly gets two young good assets, they get a small expirings, a cheaper replacement, and 1 first round and a future 2nd round pick. This gives the Sixers ALOT of option as far as lineups go, making the Sixers one of the youngest and deepest teams in the league. While saving some money in the short term off of Jefferies expiring contract.

Houston gets a perfect swingman to go with Kevin Martin, a Yao,Kmart,Iggy trio would be able to combat with the Kobe,Artest,Gasol trio. The also get a nice backup Center in Foster, who's also a big expiring, giving them the cap space required to resign Scola.

The trade might be a little uneven, but I think it's good value for all 3 teams, and I just think Houston might want the pick from Indy espcially since we're taking Budginer.
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Post#646 » by shova983 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:41 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:They just signed Lowry but I do like your deal. Frankly I think they are pretty high on Chase Budinger being a major part of that team so I don't see where they deal him.



I would think thats exactly why he would have to be included - how about we work Brand into the equation? Are you sold on just Yao and Scola against the Lakers bigs?

Brand & Iguodala
for
Hill, Budinger, Battier, Ariza, Jefferies

(my fellow 76ers fans may skewer me but I would even add in JSmith or Speights, esp if you add a 2nd pick)
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Post#647 » by primetime78 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:20 pm

Long time reader, but first time poster.

In looking at all the trades posted on this forum, I see one potential trade that nobody has really mentioned.

Andre Iguodala for Demar Derozan.

I know Ed wants a star in return for any trade involving A.I., but DD has the potential to be a star, and has a game that is somewhat similar to A.I.

I'm not sure what other pieces would need to be thrown to make the deal work, but I think the Raptors would do it. For the Sixers, it's a chance to pair a young swingman with Evan Turner, which will allow Turner to play on the ball. Derozan keeps the team athletic and explosive.

What do you think?
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Post#648 » by shova983 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:50 pm

primetime78 wrote:Long time reader, but first time poster.

Andre Iguodala for Demar Derozan.

I'm not sure what other pieces would need to be thrown to make the deal work, but I think the Raptors would do it. For the Sixers, it's a chance to pair a young swingman with Evan Turner, which will allow Turner to play on the ball. Derozan keeps the team athletic and explosive.

What do you think?



Interesting..

I do like him and he seems to making progress in summer league...though he is still more of an athlete without the outside shot, no? Plus, I wouldnt mind them adding some other young pieces (Ed Davis and/or Alibi, a draft pick) and maybe a TPE.

I think they may be committed to a youth movement too though...and they are signing Lians Kleiza presumably to be their 3?
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Post#649 » by thaddeusyoungin » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:54 pm

Why would we trade Iggy for a guy who can only dream of one day being the all around player Iggy is? All Derozan has on Iggy is age. That's it.
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Post#650 » by radrmd216 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:29 pm

shova983, I don't think Houston would do that deal. The Rockets would probably want to give up less young talent, or maybe keep the young talent in and not trade Battier. Also some Rockets fans in this thread make it sound like the Rockets would rather trade a pick than a young player.
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Post#651 » by thaddeusyoungin » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:06 am

Would Charlotte do this?

Sixers out- Brand, Young, Smith
Sixers in- Dampier, Diaw

Bobcats out- Dampier, Diaw
Bobcats in- Brand, Young, Smith

With this deal we would have enough room to sign a max free agent next summer right? Dampier is expiring along with Kapono and Green. Also if we trade Young and Smith don't we lose their cap holds? Anyway Diaw expires in 2012. If we don't sign anyone next summer we could try and make a run at Dwight Howard (if he opts out) in the summer of 2012.
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Post#652 » by BringBackKorver » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:08 am

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Post#653 » by Wydmuch » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:18 am

I geniuly hate Boris Diaw as a player (terrible as a PF, too craptastic for SF), and as a contract (awful contract). I would not accept this trade just because of his presence. I rather stay with Brand (Im surprise I said it).
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Post#654 » by 51X3RF4N » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:43 am

Iggy for a good SF who can shoot the rock and a TPE. Then go out and sign Perkins in 2011.

Jrue/Lou
Turner/Meeks
SF/Nocioni
?/Speights
Perkins/Hawes

Use Thad to trade for a young PF with upside who plays decent defense but mainly scores. With Perkins, Turner, and Jrue we would be looking good.
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Post#655 » by 51X3RF4N » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:59 am

Iggy, Lou and Green for Budinger, Jeffries, Battier, and Lowry.

Let Jeffries, Battier and Kapono expire and use some of that money on Perkins.

Draft in the top 10 of 2011 where there are several PF's with star potential written all over them. They replace Brand.

Jrue/Lowry
Turner/Meeks
Budinger/SF
2011 1st round/Speights/Brand
Perkins/Hawes

Lowry and Nocioni provide Defense off the bench. Hawes, Speights and Meeks provide scoring off the bench.

Thad and Nocioni get traded together for future picks, cash, and a backup SF.
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Post#656 » by 76ciology » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:22 am

thaddeusyoungin wrote:Why would we trade Iggy for a guy who can only dream of one day being the all around player Iggy is? All Derozan has on Iggy is age. That's it.


And all Derozan has the Iggy is dying to have is potential. I think trading for DeRozan and capspace is a pretty good price for Iggy.
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Post#657 » by BringBackKorver » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:13 am

You trade for Derozan and you're putting yet another young guy out of position. He is a SG and so is Turner, so one of them will have to play SF out of position, and we'll have the Iguodala / Thad dilemma all over again. I think Derozan will be a quality starter, but why do that to ourselves again?

Plus why does Toronto trade for a "win-now" player when they are clearly rebuilding? They aren't going to be all that good even with Iguodala, so you'd have to make it a three team trade with them getting another young player. But then you have to ask, why trade their young SG for another young SG or SF? They are content with what they have, and I don't see Toronto changing that after they got lucky enough to dump Hedo.
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Post#658 » by M4P » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:49 pm

shova983 wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:They just signed Lowry but I do like your deal. Frankly I think they are pretty high on Chase Budinger being a major part of that team so I don't see where they deal him.



I would think thats exactly why he would have to be included - how about we work Brand into the equation? Are you sold on just Yao and Scola against the Lakers bigs?

Brand & Iguodala
for
Hill, Budinger, Battier, Ariza, Jefferies

(my fellow 76ers fans may skewer me but I would even add in JSmith or Speights, esp if you add a 2nd pick)
I don't think Houston fans share the same idea of value on the players that you listed. Why would we want Brand? We know he has a toxic contract. It's no league secret. In fact, most of us thinks he's done. Iggy isn't going to be enough for us to take on Brand...

You also just killed our SF rotation with that trade. We basically traded away all of our depth at the wing for a SG/SF and an old, over-the-hill PF. How would you feel if we asked for the same? And you want us to add one of the NYK picks? That's terrible value from the Rocket's perspective.
philly262 wrote:Well I don't think the Rockets would take Williams now that they resigned Lowry.

Maybe Lou can go to a 3rd team, okay maybe since Indy kinda likes Lou for Foster...

So 3 way....

Indy trades
Foster and a future 2nd round pick

Philly trades
Lou and Iggy

Houston trades
Ariza, Jefferies, Hill and Budginer and their 11' First round pick with the right to swap with the Knicks.

Indy gets
Lou Williams

Philly gets
Ariza, Jefferies, Hill, Budginer, Houston's 11 first round pick, and a future 2nd round pick from Indy.

Houston gets
Iguodala and Foster

Indy gets a cheap option a PG, who might not be a pure PG, but Obie's system doesn't really need one, and Lou playing on an open system like Obie has potential to put up huge numbers.

Philly gets two young good assets, they get a small expirings, a cheaper replacement, and 1 first round and a future 2nd round pick. This gives the Sixers ALOT of option as far as lineups go, making the Sixers one of the youngest and deepest teams in the league. While saving some money in the short term off of Jefferies expiring contract.

Houston gets a perfect swingman to go with Kevin Martin, a Yao,Kmart,Iggy trio would be able to combat with the Kobe,Artest,Gasol trio. The also get a nice backup Center in Foster, who's also a big expiring, giving them the cap space required to resign Scola.

The trade might be a little uneven, but I think it's good value for all 3 teams, and I just think Houston might want the pick from Indy espcially since we're taking Budginer.

Why would Indiana give up more bigs for a PG that's arguably in the same mold as Ford? They gain nothing from this trade. I personally might be willing to do it from a Rocket's perspective if you didn't include one of our picks though.
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Post#659 » by philly262 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:21 pm

Why would Indiana give up more bigs for a PG that's arguably in the same mold as Ford? They gain nothing from this trade. I personally might be willing to do it from a Rocket's perspective if you didn't include one of our picks though.


Our board insider has said a deal between the Sixers and Indy had been discussed for Lou for Foster, so I just added that deal to the Rockets deal.

I don't know about the pick though, I don't think most Sixer fans do it without the pick, how about if we give you Indy's 2nd round pick? and a future 2nd round pick from us?

That's two 2nd round picks, which both are most likely going to be in the upper part of the 2nd round?
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Post#660 » by M4P » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:29 pm

philly262 wrote:
Why would Indiana give up more bigs for a PG that's arguably in the same mold as Ford? They gain nothing from this trade. I personally might be willing to do it from a Rocket's perspective if you didn't include one of our picks though.


Our board insider has said a deal between the Sixers and Indy had been discussed for Lou for Foster, so I just added that deal to the Rockets deal.

I don't know about the pick though, I don't think most Sixer fans do it without the pick, how about if we give you Indy's 2nd round pick? and a future 2nd round pick from us?

That's two 2nd round picks, which both are most likely going to be in the upper part of the 2nd round?

Well forget the insider than. Think of it from a logic point of view: Why would Bird, a known stubborn man, trade for Williams who isn't even a clear upgrade over Ford?

Also you have to look at your trade from a Rocket's point of view. You're asking us to give up 3 young (yes I consider Ariza young - he's 24) promising talents, an expiring, and a future first rounder most likely in the 9 - 16 range for a fringe all-star that had a down year in a weaker conference.
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