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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#121 » by no D in Hibachi » Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:13 pm

keynote wrote:I'm not to impressed with Booker's handle or his passing instincts. At least once, he looked pretty flustered at the top of the key and allowed the defense to force him into a bad pass.

That being said, I liked what I saw overall. He definitely has the lateral quicks to defend reserve SFs, and he showed enough hops and timing to contest - and sometimes block - shots via help side. He showed decent form on his jumper; with time, he should be able to consistently stick a wide-open 18-20 footer. He's not terribly assertive offensively, and I didn't see any post moves. But his defensive technique and effort should be enough to make his addition worthwhile.


I'm not impressed with his rebounding, or better yet the rebounding of the entire team. Teams are constantly outrebouding the Wiz when McGee and Booker are in the game. I swear in the first half of the Clippers game the Clips had something like 14 offensive rebounds and nearly every possession had multiple shots. Other than that Booker has looked decent for a 23 pick.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#122 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:27 am

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keynote wrote:I'm not to impressed with Booker's handle or his passing instincts. At least once, he looked pretty flustered at the top of the key and allowed the defense to force him into a bad pass.

That being said, I liked what I saw overall. He definitely has the lateral quicks to defend reserve SFs, and he showed enough hops and timing to contest - and sometimes block - shots via help side. He showed decent form on his jumper; with time, he should be able to consistently stick a wide-open 18-20 footer. He's not terribly assertive offensively, and I didn't see any post moves. But his defensive technique and effort should be enough to make his addition worthwhile.


I'm not impressed with his rebounding, or better yet the rebounding of the entire team. Teams are constantly outrebouding the Wiz when McGee and Booker are in the game. I swear in the first half of the Clippers game the Clips had something like 14 offensive rebounds and nearly every possession had multiple shots. Other than that Booker has looked decent for a 23 pick.


I don't care if this guy is playing the 4 or the 3, but until he busts his a-s-s on the boards, you can't compare him to Milsap, Landy or even Maxiell. That's what I want to see. Not jumpshooting or decent ballhandling. That hopefully will come. I want desire and boardwork. I haven't seen that in 3 games from anybody and it's going to be our downfall this year unless Seraphin is better than advertised.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#123 » by dnk » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:40 am

Yep. I was defending Booker's potential as a 4 in another thread, but I was arguing more that his measurables do not preclude him being a power forward.

But I'm going to pay more attention to him next game to see why he's not getting boards. Optimistically, maybe he's doing a good job boxing out his man, but another Wizard gets it. But I doubt it.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#124 » by Dat2U » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:55 am

Color me not that impressed with Booker. Just seems very limited offensively. Makes no impact on the boards. Maybe he can defend 3s, not sure about that but there's no way he could be a successful 3 offensively. And he doesn't have the length or lift to be a very good four at this stage.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#125 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:33 am

keynote wrote:I'm not to impressed with Booker's handle or his passing instincts. At least once, he looked pretty flustered at the top of the key and allowed the defense to force him into a bad pass.

That being said, I liked what I saw overall. He definitely has the lateral quicks to defend reserve SFs, and he showed enough hops and timing to contest - and sometimes block - shots via help side. He showed decent form on his jumper; with time, he should be able to consistently stick a wide-open 18-20 footer. He's not terribly assertive offensively, and I didn't see any post moves. But his defensive technique and effort should be enough to make his addition worthwhile.


A lot more upside than DMAC. The kid already looks like he feels he belongs. DMAC couldn't even dribble the ball when he first got here.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#126 » by JonathanJoseph » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:34 am

Booker couldn't have been more transparent against the Mavs in summer league.

But I'm not too concerned. He looks like a guy who is thinking too much and doesn't really understand what he's supposed to do. Looks like a guy with decent basketball IQ and good tools. Height won't be an issue for him.
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Post#127 » by closg00 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:00 am

Puff-piece on Booker today in the Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 06126.html
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#128 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:08 am

He sucked in the Dallas game. Fouled his man every time they got the ball. ugh.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#129 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:42 pm

Dat2U wrote:Color me not that impressed with Booker. Just seems very limited offensively. Makes no impact on the boards. Maybe he can defend 3s, not sure about that but there's no way he could be a successful 3 offensively. And he doesn't have the length or lift to be a very good four at this stage.


(Moved from the Dallas SL game thread -- My response to (2) of Dat's gametime Twitter comments about Booker)

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Trevor Booker where are you? Kinda wish we had drafted Dominique Jones instead.


Booker knocks down a jumper but I don't think he's got the size to be a factor on the boards / around the rim. Not Enough length.


Dat's right there and his conclusions back up what stats show to be true. Booker has been glaringly bad on the boards.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2010/tea ... index.html

Aaron Pettway: 22 minutes played, 10 rebounds
Raymar Morgan: 39 minutes played, 11 rebounds
Cartier Martin: 72 minutes played, 10 rebounds
Lester Hudson: 52 minutes played, 9 rebounds
Trevor Booker: 82 minutes played, 9 rebounds (Thirty minutes more than Hudson, same rebs)
Javale McGee: 82 minutes played 29 rebounds (More than three times the rebounding of Booker)

The early results say Booker is NOT a Paul Millsap-type player on the boards.

Booker has shot 9-15 FGs through three games. He leads with 4 blocks and also has 4 steals. A few positives. 1-4 FTs is not good through 3 games. 1 assist with 8 turnovers says he's not a guy to move the ball wall.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague/games/2 ... GIboxscore
http://www.nba.com/summerleague/games/2 ... GIboxscore
http://www.nba.com/summerleague/games/2 ... GIboxscore

Past three games Booker has been +1,+18,+11. (Mahinmi was -25 in the Dallas game. Booker went 1-7FG but still finished +11)

I'd say Booker looks like a decent complementary player who might struggle for minutes in the regular season if he doesn't step up on the boards. Dat, the Wizards surely would have done better had they drafted Jones over Booker. We both knew that before the draft. Dominigue Jones is something else. I don't see how GMs let him slip so far.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#130 » by nate33 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:54 pm

Booker isn't impressing me much either. But I am encouraged by that Post article that closg00 posted. Booker seems well liked by the coaching staff and he's definitely a hard worker.

I agree that he doesn't appear to have the length to handle the PF position full time, so his future is at SF. It really boils down to whether or not he can develop three point range. He can hit 'em from 21 feet already.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#131 » by MF23 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:09 pm

Your right CCJ, Booker should be rebounding better in SL. I also felt they should have taken Jones ahead of him but that Jones was Damion.
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Post#132 » by closg00 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:21 pm

I am on vacation and have not seen a game, but from what i've read, Booker sounds like potentially a nice spark-type player, but perhaps not worth moving up to take. Concerned about us taking-on another McGuire-type player that we hope to mold into a SF. Bottom-line, whats his role with this team?
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#133 » by willbcocks » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:03 pm

I thought booker looked decent in the Dallas game. A few plays that stuck out in my mind were a full court trap where he got the steal, a great pass for a layup in the half court, and a great block.

I think booker is one of those guys who will do better when the game becomes more structured. Still don't have him pegged as anything more than a role player, but I like him a lot better than mcquire because he can stroke the 20 foot jumper.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#134 » by Ruzious » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:18 pm

Where Booker excells is the transition game. His combine numbers and the full-court press defense he played in Clemson point to that. And he should be an excellent defender at the 3, and he'll rebound fine for a 3 - not a 4. Expecting much from him in the halfcourt offense is a stretch. As I've said, I would have picked Poindexter ahead of him, but I think Booker will be a fan favorite for his energy off the bench.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#135 » by DCZards » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:20 pm

Booker will be just fine. Let's not jump to too many conclusions based on three (highly unstructured) SL games. What we do know about Trevor for sure is that he's strong, as tough as nails, has an impressive motor and energy and is an outstanding athlete. Those are attributes that you can't teach. They are also strengths that recent Zard teams have been sorely lacking.

As for Dominique Jones, I saw him totally destroy the Hoyas (twice), including live at Verizon Center where he led S. Fla. to a major upset. I knew then that Jones had pro potential written all over him and nothing he has done since then has changed my mind. But I'm still happy with the Booker pick given that the Zards already had Wall, Gil and Nick holding down the guard positions..and that the Zards needed to get tougher and better defensively, which is where Booker comes in.
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Post#136 » by dangermouse » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:14 am

Im happy with Booker taking backup SF minutes as long as Arenas and Blatche are on the court at the same time for scoring.

I hope Seraphin comes over so we have a backup C/PF combo.

We only really needed a starting C. But I guess not having one and relying on McGee/Blatche/Hilton/?Seraphin? is a good way of ensuring we remain in tank mode.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#137 » by Downtown » Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:54 pm

Memphis has a guy similar to Booker in Demarre Carroll. A draft pick in the mid twenties, Carroll is known for his 100% effort all the time, but his skill set isn't mentioned as being that good. In his rookie season he was exposed as a non skilled hustle type of player, that while appreciated for his give it all attitude, didn't really contribute much to the team's wins.

I'll admit that besides summer league I haven't seen much of Booker, but if it's all about hustle and desire with not alot of basketball skill and knowledge of the game then I'm afraid he could end up like Carroll, whoi has looked even worse during his second summer league campaign. But until the real season begins no one should judge him too harshly.
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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#138 » by Halcyon » Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:57 pm

You guys are jumping waaaay too far ahead with your conclusions. Of course this guy is going to look uncomfortable, this WAS NOT his game in college. He played entirely in the post, but occasionally had the ability to step out to hit the 3. All that matters right now is that he has a lot of physical tools, is mature and is going to work his ass off.

And oh yeah, it's summer league.
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Post#139 » by closg00 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:56 pm

RealGM on Booker

Washington's other first-round pick, Trevor Booker, was lackluster all week. Some scratched their heads when he was selected with the 23rd pick and he showed why. He's undersized, his shot was way off and he couldn't corral some easy rebounds that bounced towards him. For what it's worth, he hit three free throws in the final minute of a close game.

http://www.realgm.com/src_feature_piece ... _(saturday)_eyenga_pondexter_aminu_&_more/#ixzz0u3dS9RrM

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Re: Trevor Booker 

Post#140 » by chpmntsptx » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:27 pm

Clemson fan here. Living in DC, I was excited to see the Wiz get Booker. I've been keeping a close eye on him and reading news, comments, etc. My thoughts (sorry for the dissertation):

- First, there's a misconception that Booker is a motor guy. His is not and was not in college at any time. He is a coast and explode guy, if that makes sense. Reading some of the comments from Wiz officials makes me think they didn't do their homework. Booker was really frustrating in college b/c he would take plays off, be the last one down the court, etc., yet also make super athletic, momentum turning plays.

- Booker has lost mass since his JR season. He came into his SR year noticeably toned down, and it was obviously to help him away from the basket in trying to up his draft stock. And he actually looked even thinner in the SL than in his SR season.

- Everyone was surprised when he dropped in the 1st round, even Clemson fans.

- I watched every SL game, keeping an eye on Booker the whole time. I came away largely disappointed, as well as confused. I'm disappointed because he inexplicably isn't hustling like he should be. I don't know if he's lacking confidence or his head is spinning, but even so, those things shouldn't affect grit and hustle. He got away with it in college; if the Wiz staff are smart, they'll be all over his ass. I am confused because I have no idea what the Wiz want to do with him.

- I didn't like his effort and positioning on offensive or defensive rebounding. On defense, he was setting his position too close to the basket, allowing himself to be pinned, and with his height, an easy target for over-the-back rebounds and deflections. It also made it difficult for him to handle some rebounds. However, I noticed that often when he was the main guy in position for a rebound, the basket was made, and others times McGee would simply take a rebound from him (not really excuses, but these things occurred). On the offensive end, I think his lack of rebounding is due to an unfamiliar role/positioning. He's used to battling underneath, but in the SL he was often the last man back (i.e., when screening for Wall and Wall drives) or simply wasn't fighting hard enough for rebounds. Not sure you can have him pick and pop so often and expect him to chase offensive rebounds, too.

- I also didn't like his activity and footwork on defense. He simply needs to have a lower stance and readiness at all times. He's playing too high. He's also loosing his man too easily. He's going to get his ass chewed when his man is standing free under the basket one of these days. I do think he can guard a fair amount of 3's, but his effort and technique in the SL was awful. Again, playing too high. And he apparently has fallen into the bad habit of letting his man go by and trying to get the follow up block. That was his approach nearly every time. Please tell me the Wiz staff are on to these things.

- As I said, I think he can guard 3s... if he becomes engaged and plays with better technique. He did it in college on occasion. He absolutely has to play lower and move his damn feet. Basic stuff that that he's able to do. He also has an advantage in that, with his vertical, he can give himself a bit more space away from the ball handler. He is one of the better jump shot blockers you will see (that is, if he isn't letting his man go by).

- So, reading the media outlook on him ahead of the SL, the take was that he'd be there to defend and rebound and will not offer much, if not struggle, of the offensive end. I think the opposite is true actually. He wasn't very assertive on offense in the SL; I wonder if it's nerves, being in a new role, or b/c he's been told to focus on D and let Wall and others handle the O. Big mistake imo. In fact, I think he can offer more on offense than defense right now. Unfortunately, it seemed the SL was used solely as an opportunity to work on pick and pop. I think you'll be surprised at his post game if he gets the looks (he had maybe a couple the whole SL). No, he's not going to overtake anyone much larger than him, but he can take certain guys with more size. No, he doesn't have a treasure chest full of moves, but his post game is clean and effective. Some said he takes too many fadeaways. The thing is, he's actually a very accurate shooter around the rim. And, I wouldn't say he was excessive with them in college. He's undersized, for one -- and since when are post-players barred from fadeaways? Further, he's an excellent passer from the post. At the 4, he'll be able to post up some guys, but a lot of 4's will be too tall or thick. If he can pull them away from the basket, he can easily go around them. What I'm looking for in the season, though, is if he's at 3, with say Yi at 4 but playing away from the basket. If Booker gets matched up on the 3, that's a serious mismatch in a lot of cases. I'm dead serious -- the Wiz need to look for this. Let him post up that 3 and score or distribute. Don't completely abandon his college game.

- To a previous point, I have no idea what the Wiz' plans are for him. If he's going to be a 3 or 4 or hybrid, whatever, he's got to get back some of that mass. He's simply too thin right now. Don't keep him in pick and pop situations so often if you want him to get offensive rebounds. Don't be afraid to feed him in the post. I'm not sure any other Wiz big men have more efficient post moves, actually. Lastly, get in his damn ear and let him know he's got to bust his ass every possession if he wants to stick around the league.

- This is a tricky situation for Booker, imo. As I suspected in college, looks like he's a guy that needs someone in his ear. Selfishly, I wanted him to go to a more established team, with a veteran presence. Not sure how strong the Wiz staff are in terms of getting him on the right path, and the team obviously lacks key veterans (sorry, don't see Heinrich commanding attention). Wall has the right mindset and will be a good leader, but it's not the same as having key vets around. If it's a situation where players are given too much leeway, too much respect (e.g., prematurely throwing out monikers like "Grown-Ass Man"), then there's a good chance he won't get on the right track.

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