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Post#121 » by JonathanJoseph » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:46 pm

leswizards wrote:I do not what to expect, but I think it is conceivable that Wall could give the Wizards a Rookie of the Year season that is as good or better than any of the rookie point guards had last season. Gil could have a 25-30 ppg and 4-6 apg season. Blatche could have a 15 ppg and 8-10 rpg season. Kirk gives the Wizards an above average back up PG/SG. Nick Young, Thornton and Booker combine for an acceptable SF rotation. Javale, Ji, Booker, Seraphim (if he comes over), and Armstrong will most likely form a below average C/backup PF rotation. If all of that comes to pass, I guess it is conceivable the Wizards could make the playoffs and win 30-40 games.
If your scenario comes to pass the Wiz will win 45 games and have the best backcourt in the NBA.

That means Wall is a top 10 PG right off the bat and Arenas is a top 5 SG.

Kirk Hinrich was a starter and 4th leading scorer on a 41-41 team that featured Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Luol Deng. Wall/Arenas/Blatche look to be a much, much better top 3. And Flip is a much, much better coach than Vinny Del Negro.

Trying not to drink the kool aid but it seems that .500 is a more than realistic target unless Wall struggles.
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Re: WizFans, what are your expectations? 

Post#122 » by fishercob » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:00 pm

JonathanJoseph wrote:
leswizards wrote:I do not what to expect, but I think it is conceivable that Wall could give the Wizards a Rookie of the Year season that is as good or better than any of the rookie point guards had last season. Gil could have a 25-30 ppg and 4-6 apg season. Blatche could have a 15 ppg and 8-10 rpg season. Kirk gives the Wizards an above average back up PG/SG. Nick Young, Thornton and Booker combine for an acceptable SF rotation. Javale, Ji, Booker, Seraphim (if he comes over), and Armstrong will most likely form a below average C/backup PF rotation. If all of that comes to pass, I guess it is conceivable the Wizards could make the playoffs and win 30-40 games.
If your scenario comes to pass the Wiz will win 45 games and have the best backcourt in the NBA.

That means Wall is a top 10 PG right off the bat and Arenas is a top 5 SG.

Kirk Hinrich was a starter and 4th leading scorer on a 41-41 team that featured Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Luol Deng. Wall/Arenas/Blatche look to be a much, much better top 3. And Flip is a much, much better coach than Vinny Del Negro.

Trying not to drink the kool aid but it seems that .500 is a more than realistic target unless Wall struggles.



Try harder, JoJo. There are two sides of the court, and Deng and Noah are far superior to Gil and Dray at their respective positions defensively.

Wall looks great -- ridiculously so. But he's never played back to back games against grown men. He's never played 50 games in a season, let alone 82. He's never traveled like he's about to and had to deal with the toll it takes. He's going to have to deal with Rondo, Jameer, Rose, Chalmers, Jennings, Mo Williams, Calderon, Stuckey, Devin Harris, and Bibby just in his own conference. All of those guys know what it takes to get it done in the NBA. He's going to have a great career, but it's going to take him time to adjust.

Teams are going to gameplan for him -- pack it in against him nd force him to make jumper after jumper. When he beats his man, instead of seeing Kim Tillie and Omar Samhan, he'll be greeted by Josh Smith, Al Horford, Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Ty Thomas, Nazi Mohammed, Gerald Wallace, KG, Varajeo, Noah, Boozer etc. It will not come easy for this kid. I promise.

But the growth process will be awesome. But we're going to suck.
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Post#123 » by Shanghai Kid » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:40 pm

I still think our future is going to be determined by how good Wall is right off the bat and how good Gilbert proves to be before the All-Star break.

If Wall is already a top 10 PG in his rookie year, that speeds up the rebuilding process in a huge way. If he's rookie of the year than I believe next off-season is going to be all about putting a competitive team around him. Blatche is young, but he's also in some ways a veteran. If your building primarily around Wall and Blatche, than you may be ready to put a competitive team around them quicker than later.

Now the other thing is, what if somehow Gilbert Arenas comes out and averages 25-3ppg, makes the All-Star team, All-NBA team, Comeback player of the year, completely rebuilds his image....

Than I don't think their are going to be thoughts of trading Gil, the thoughts are going to be how can we surround Wall/Blatche/Gilbert with the most competitive roster possible. Not win at all costs mode, but definetly the expectation of making the playoffs and not relying on the draft.

How good Gil can be is huge, because if he's playing his prime, than in my mind it you can build a contending team around Wall/Arenas/Blatche, and maybe one other All-Star player. The rebuilding process would be over in 2 years and the Wiz would be in good shape.

That's why this year is so important.
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Post#124 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:44 pm

tkunit wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:getting arenas back is LIKE getting another number 1 pick. i'm saying +15 wins from last year. 41 wins AT LEAST.



The problem is we still don't know what arenas we are getting. I just want to see a team improve as the year goes on.



I think it would be safe to assume you will get at least the version you saw before he was suspended. More likely is a version that is better than that.

This team will be at least a 7-8 seed unless they make some really stupid move like trading Gil so nothing.
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Post#125 » by hands11 » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:05 am

Bickerstaff wrote:Unless Arenas is an MVP candidate AND Blatche continues what he was doing at the end of last season AND Wall experiences fewer growing pains than a lot of us expect AND the team finds a consistent starting SF, I think .500 is a best case scenario. I think they'll be in the running for the 8th seed in the east, but it might only take 35 wins to get the 8th seed this season.


I was watching TV and they reviewed the teams with number 1 picks. It was like only use with Kwame and one other team in recent memory that had the number 1 pick that didn't make the playoffs.

History says we make the playoffs.

So while some want to focus on what if down side scenarios, what is the best case scenario. What if it works.

What if Ted, EG, Flip and Sam are the solid top management with direction and vision and leadership that it look like they are.

What if Wall brings back all the speed of penetration that many feared Gil lost. What if we really have the most talented PGs this team has ever saw.

What if Gil comes back at least as good as he left and moving him to SG allows him to return to the scoring machine he was. Even Nick is going to be better with Wall and Hinney spacing things and leading.

What if Dray picks up where he left off as one of the most talented and versatile PF in the league in the 20, 8, and 4 mold. Kid didn't get enough FTs but Wall sure does.

We have holes for sure. We don't have a starting center or a known starting SF but if all those things I mentioned above are what it is likely that are then it is easy to see that they would, then we have decent prospects to fill in some of the holes. Players who have some upside production in their tank.

McGee is going to be a better scorer since we have two and 1/2 PGs to set him up and he is bigger. Don't think for a moment that Gil won't get in on the act and set up McGee for some easy scores like Wall does.

AT while he isn't a proven great players can produce at times. Maybe we add Martin. I like that idea. Cheap kid with heart and upside. Maybe he continues to develop. That is the kind of Mason win you want. I would give the kid a chance.

And the biggest question that remains is Seraphin. Center alone could swing our win count by 10 games min. That is the hole a mile wide on this team. You add a Haywood for two years to this team and I would have a lot less questions but we don't have that..

This team is going to be fun to watch. Booker will work hard and round himself into at least a solid role player with his effort and D. But at this point, everything spins on McGee and Seraphin and what they can do on D. They should have people nervous. That is the big hole. I don't want Dray playing a lot of center.

So we can look really good but we will be held back by our center play until I see something that makes me believe that isn't the case. This is why I have been talking about center so much forever and I hated loosing Haywood.

So you either get a vet or you let if ride, loose more games than you otherwise would and either make a move at the deadline or wait till next year. It's going to take luck, some assets, or time to figure out what to do there. First we have to see what Seraphin can do. Maybe we have our center and just don't know it yet.

That is basically it in my book. It's going to be awesome to watch either way.
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Post#126 » by JonathanJoseph » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:40 am

Great googly moogly. 4 Summer League games in, 4 times my expectations have gone up.

Javale McGee's game still has glaring holes and glaring weaknesses. He might be the worst post-defending center in the NBA. But it's time to start looking at what he is doing, and that is some damn impressive work. For those that saw the summer league game, McGee had multiple highlight reel plays and continues to look like a man among boys. I realize that this is only summer league but he's absolutely dominating and shooting about 65% from the floor. McGee is going to be a factor sooner than I thought.

McGee is still no where near as good as he will be, but rarely are 22 year old big men more advanced than McGee looks. Jermaine O'Neal couldn't get off the bench until about 24 years old. McGee's learning curve will be the biggest question mark going into the season. Can what he does do make up for what he doesn't do?

John Wall had a horrible game and still ended up with 30+ in a 40 minute game. He's clearly a difference maker. Add a promising McGee and Wall to Blatche and Arenas and I don't think that >.500 is at all a stretch.
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Post#127 » by Wizards2Lottery » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:07 am

A lot depends on Arenas. His maturity on the court can really help us win games. If we get can get a productive Gilbert, we can be a playoff team.
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Post#128 » by miller31time » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:38 am

^^^ Prior to the suspension, Arenas was putting up numbers that were very reminiscent of a near-prime Agent Zero.

I think there will be another learning period at the start of next season for Gilbert, but it will be shorter than last year's and he'll have another star guard to take defensive attention away.
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Post#129 » by JonathanJoseph » Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:31 am

Dan Steinberg echoing my comments. It's just summer league, but damn if it doesn't look like the start of something good.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/07/wall_and_mcgee_shine_again_at.html

P.S.: Javale McGee is 22 of 25 in his last 2 games. That's 88% from the field and he's been taking jumpers and sky hooks. I can't wait for this season.
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Post#130 » by Rick45 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:26 am

I think you guys are a 30-35 win team, with my pick is 32. This year I see you guys as a younger a little bit less talented ATL the 07'-08' season, when they took Boston to 7 games. I don't think you make the playoffs though. You guys have a good young core with Wall/Blatche /McGee. It's gonna take them a while to learn how to play man up defense, and team defense. It's gonna take you guys a while to learn how to win. You have a good future. I see you guys getting another high pick this upcoming year, because I think you miss the playoffs. Then I see in the 2011-2012 season you make the playoffs. Your players are gonna get that taste of it, and your young players are gonna get really hungry. That's when you take off. You guys are gonna start making the second round, and becoming contenders in 2012-2013.
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Post#131 » by dangermouse » Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:18 pm

Thanks for the forecast Nostradamus.
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Post#132 » by mohammed10 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:59 pm

dangermouse wrote:Thanks for the forecast Nostradamus.


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Post#133 » by JonathanJoseph » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:28 pm

Just wondering if David Aldridge did this sarcastically, but he listed the Wiz #12 in what looks to be his NBA team rankings, ahead of OKC and Milwaukee.

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Post#134 » by Kanyewest » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:38 pm

^^ Who improved themselves the most in the offseason
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Post#135 » by JonathanJoseph » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:50 pm

Kanyewest wrote:^^ Who improved themselves the most in the offseason


I don't know about that. I thought about that at first also but it sure looks like overall rankings.
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Post#136 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:00 pm

JonathanJoseph wrote:Dan Steinberg echoing my comments. It's just summer league, but damn if it doesn't look like the start of something good.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/07/wall_and_mcgee_shine_again_at.html

P.S.: Javale McGee is 22 of 25 in his last 2 games. That's 88% from the field and he's been taking jumpers and sky hooks. I can't wait for this season.


It's only Summer League, but Wall scored 18 points in the third quarter

After his jump shot wasn't falling in the first half -- 4 of 14 from the field -- Sam Cassell told Wall to attack, and the point guard complied. He sprinted the length of the court with the ball again and again, completing the trip in five seconds or less repeatedly. The Wizards were down by 13, until a stretch when Wall scored 13 and assisted on two more during a 15-0 run.


"They couldn't stop him," JaVale McGee said. "He was unstoppable. They couldn't figure out a way to stop him."

"It was unbelievable what John was doing out there," Sam Cassell said.



Washington is going to make the playoffs because of Wall and much-improved Javale McGee. There is no way Javale is a net-negative player with Wall on the court. No way Wall isn't anything but better-than-average from day one.

Wizards will make the playoffs this season unless Wall gets hurt. The one game Nick played he and Wall were just devastingtly effective together. Flip has to use Young and MccGee this season. When he does that the Wizards will be much better than last year.

Washington's very talented and last year's talent wasn't as good as what they have now.
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Post#137 » by pancakes3 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:32 pm

i'm patiently waiting for news on our SF acquisition but for now, i'm still standing pat on at least 41 wins with the roster as is.

also, good to see that CCJ got on last second stand-by onto the John Wall bandwagon. the wagon is now departing. those who aren't on will have to wait for the 6:30 wagon departing from gate 8C.
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Post#138 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:44 pm

Rick45 wrote:I think you guys are a 30-35 win team, with my pick is 32. This year I see you guys as a younger a little bit less talented ATL the 07'-08' season, when they took Boston to 7 games. I don't think you make the playoffs though. You guys have a good young core with Wall/Blatche /McGee. It's gonna take them a while to learn how to play man up defense, and team defense. It's gonna take you guys a while to learn how to win. You have a good future. I see you guys getting another high pick this upcoming year, because I think you miss the playoffs. Then I see in the 2011-2012 season you make the playoffs. Your players are gonna get that taste of it, and your young players are gonna get really hungry. That's when you take off. You guys are gonna start making the second round, and becoming contenders in 2012-2013.


I see the Wizards beating Miami three times this season. Once in the regular season, and twice in the playoffs as the eighth seed.

Washington's got a lot of young talent. The Wizards have speed and height inside working in their favor. The leader of the Heat is Dwyane Wade. Hinrich and Young play him as well as anyone in the league. Bosh and Lebron are going to get theirs, but they'll have to score over taller players like Blatche, Yi, and McGee; as compared with the way they scored over Jamison and Butler. The Heat will have to defend Blatche, Yi, and McGee with Joel Anthony, a much shorter Udonis Haslem, and a very old Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Jamal Magloire. They've got experience but it is not going to help them catch Booker, Wall, and McGee streaking up the court. Old legs at playoff time might hurt them. I expect three superstars not getting the ball as much might affect them. How well will the Heat defend? If the Wizards make the 8th seed they'll give Miami trouble.

If Arenas remains a Wizard i think the Wizards take the Heat to 7 games this season.
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Post#139 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:45 pm

pancakes3 wrote:i'm patiently waiting for news on our SF acquisition but for now, i'm still standing pat on at least 41 wins with the roster as is.

also, good to see that CCJ got on last second stand-by onto the John Wall bandwagon. the wagon is now departing. those who aren't on will have to wait for the 6:30 wagon departing from gate 8C.


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Post#140 » by JonathanJoseph » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:19 am

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Washington is going to make the playoffs because of Wall and much-improved Javale McGee. There is no way Javale is a net-negative player with Wall on the court. No way Wall isn't anything but better-than-average from day one.

Wizards will make the playoffs this season unless Wall gets hurt. The one game Nick played he and Wall were just devastingtly effective together. Flip has to use Young and MccGee this season. When he does that the Wizards will be much better than last year.

Washington's very talented and last year's talent wasn't as good as what they have now.
I think most think that Wall is better coming into the NBA than Derrick Rose, and Rose averaged about 16/7 his rookie season. But the big thing about Wall is how he makes everyone better.

McGee improved significantly over the 2nd half of last season and looks to have improved significantly again over the summer. And that's without Wall who will get him easy buckets. McGee will be that much more effective with a stud PG. So I expect McGee to be significantly more effective than he was at the end of the season.

I liked the way Young played in his 1 summer league appearance, but I don't know how much of that was him and how much was Wall. Wall gets players the ball when and where they can be at their best. While it was nice to see Nick Young stroking his J, I think their "devastating effectiveness" was more Wall than Young. If Wall and Young are "devastatingly effective", think of what Wall and Arenas can be. Like I said, great googly moogly.

If Josh Howard were to sign, the Wiz would be close to a lock for the playoffs.

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