The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[fierceCRT]

Is the whole point of this trade to get Ariza or Hill? If its just to get Hill then i think we could work out something more simple like Lou or Speights plus a pick. I would rather have Iggy over Ariza even though Ariza is prolly a better fit nxt to Jrue and Turner.

[Guerilla713]

Is the whole point of this trade to get Ariza or Hill? If its just to get Hill then i think we could work out something more simple like Lou or Speights plus a pick. I would rather have Iggy over Ariza even though Ariza is prolly a better fit nxt to Jrue and Turner.

The whole point (I heard), as to get Ariza, as he can play off the ball better than Iggy (showed when he played with Kobe and when Kevin Martin joined Houston in February). Ariza costs half as much, but can do almost everything that Iggy does (hell, Ariza got a triple double in the last game of the season this year). He was close to getting one many times all year. Anyway, since Jrue and Turner are both ball handlers, it doesn't make sense to have Iggy in the lineup, who is another ball handler. The opposite problem for Houston, as Brooks is the only ball handler and Martin/Ariza are not. Houston needs a ball handling wing, so Iggy would be a great fit.

Works out for both teams.

[fierceCRT]

I guess the trade makes sense, but doubt it happens cause it appears Collins loves Iggy and doesnt want him traded.

[KrazySixersD]

we have to get the knicks swap in this deal or i say dont do it... and we would have to give smith, not green who is one of our expirings.. houston would be getting the best player in the deal so they need to sweeten the pot

[Point-God]

Now, what would be the point of this trade? Why not let Houston keep Budinger and Patterson, and then let Philly keep Thad and Speights. Trading these four players would be more of a lateral move than anything else.

A lateral move so says you. Those two players fit better with Jrue and Evans long term. They both can stretch the floor out to and beyond the 3 point line. Also, Thad is up for an extension. The Sixers avoid that by trading him for a less cap exhausting solution like Budinger who can shoot the 3.

[freshie2]

Budinger is a 37% 3pt shooter and Thad in by all accounts his worst year was @ 34%...why throw him (Thad) in the deal?? I'm OK with trading either Iguodala or Thad if you get a sensible sum in return, but not both.

[Guerilla713]

Now, what would be the point of this trade? Why not let Houston keep Budinger and Patterson, and then let Philly keep Thad and Speights. Trading these four players would be more of a lateral move than anything else.

A lateral move so says you. Those two players fit better with Jrue and Evans long term. They both can stretch the floor out to and beyond the 3 point line. Also, Thad is up for an extension. The Sixers avoid that by trading him for a less cap exhausting solution like Budinger who can shoot the 3.

So, even more of a reason why Houston wouldn't do that trade. It doesn't make sense for Houston to accept that, even if we don't get Iguodala because of it. That makes our team much worse, while giving Philly a ton of value, cheap talent, and salary cap help. Pass. Good thing Morey is our GM today and not Dawson, or he'd probably accept a bad trade like that.

I really don't see what's so bad about a Ariza, Jeffries, and Hill for Iggy and Smith trade. I'd even throw in a future first from Houston, though a Knicks swap would probably require Speights. Either way, the trade would work out for both teams.

Budinger is a 37% 3pt shooter and Thad in by all accounts his worst year was @ 34%...why throw him (Thad) in the deal?? I'm OK with trading either Iguodala or Thad if you get a sensible sum in return, but not both.

Budinger was also a rookie.

[thaddeusyoungin]

Sixers out- Iggy, Nocioni
Sixers in- Battier, Ariza, Jeffries, 2011 1st round pick with NY swap

Rockets out- Battier, Ariza, Jeffries, 2011 1st round pick with NY swap
Rockets in- Iggy, Nocioni

This is a deal I would do in a heartbeat. Iggy for Ariza/Jeffries/2011 1st round pick with NY swap is the rumored deal which is close to fair for both teams, but I think Philly needs a little extra incentive. A Battier for Nocioni swap gives them that incentive. Nocioni could provide a lot of what Battier provides for the same price. Only difference is Nocioni has 1 more year on his contract. We would have enough cap room to go after Al Horford or even Melo next summer.

[Point-God]

Budinger is a 37% 3pt shooter and Thad in by all accounts his worst year was @ 34%...why throw him (Thad) in the deal?? I'm OK with trading either Iguodala or Thad if you get a sensible sum in return, but not both.

Budinger hit 92 three point shots last year, his rookie season, in only 20 mpg. Thad only made 48 3's in 32 minutes in what was his 3rd NBA season. Budinger is on course to be one of the most prolific 3 point shooters in the entire league over his career. I'm okay with trading Thad. Getting attached to an okay young player that lacks a true position like Thad is unhealthy.

[Kobblehead]

Budinger is a 37% 3pt shooter and Thad in by all accounts his worst year was @ 34%

You do know that Chase made 92 threes last year, right? And that Thad's made a total of 110 in three seasons.

[Point-God]

I really don't see what's so bad about a Ariza, Jeffries, and Hill for Iggy and Smith trade.

Ariza has a serious long term issue with his foot. That reduces his value. He also hasn't made a shot since jumping out of Kobe's jock strap.

[NoDirection]

i don't understand the fascination of hou deal. ariza seems like a good fit but trading iggy to get him is not a good idea. if u want cap space and picks then we should explore other options. if u want to semi rebuild and try to contend at the same time without proven core players, then thats not a good idea. we gotta stop shooting for just making the playoffs and being stuck in medicority.

[philly262]

So, you want Houston to lose a young talent in Budinger AND Hill for basically just Iguodala?

Hill and Budigner aren't that good value wise, they are on or about the same level as Speights and Williams. They're only valuable because they're Houston's only prospects.

I would say that Thad, Speights and Williams have the same amount of value as Ariza,Hill and Budinger.

[radrmd216]

I think Iggy is one of those players that can really help a team like the Rockets, but wouldn't cost a huge amount. I'm not going to get into specifics of a trade, but probably what we think he is worth we cannot get. We could get a good package, but not great.

The Rockets trade is one I would put on the backburner. I'd rather look for a trade involving a prospect with a ton of upside or a couple good prospects.

[Guerilla713]

I really don't see what's so bad about a Ariza, Jeffries, and Hill for Iggy and Smith trade.

Ariza has a serious long term issue with his foot. That reduces his value. He also hasn't made a shot since jumping out of Kobe's jock strap.

This is completely false. Ariza did great once Martin was in the lineup. He averaged the same amount of points on two less shots per game. His percentages went way up and he starting getting closer to triple doubles every game (and finally got one in the last game of the season).

[cheolee]

A 5* prospect that has potential to be a true star player is really hard to come by.
They are usually on non-contending teams and non of these teams will trade for Iggy because they know that Iggy is not good enough to lead a team.

[Guerilla713]

So, you want Houston to lose a young talent in Budinger AND Hill for basically just Iguodala?

Hill and Budigner aren't that good value wise, they are on or about the same level as Speights and Williams. They're only valuable because they're Houston's only prospects.

I would say that Thad, Speights and Williams have the same amount of value as Ariza,Hill and Budinger.

nope. If you don't think Budinger isn't good value wise, then I don't believe you've watched him play this season, nor looked at his salary. He doesn't even make more than a million for the next three seasons. Hill is still on his rookie contract. Thad is due for a new contract next offseason, so his value dips for Houston. Williams has almost no value for Houston, since we have Brooks and Lowry. Speights value isn't as high anymore because we have Patterson, but he can be a good backup C, I think.

Therefore, swapping Budinger and Hill for Thad and Speights makes absolutely no sense for the Rockets and only favors Philly. That's a bad trade and the Rockets would never do it.

[Point-God]

I really don't see what's so bad about a Ariza, Jeffries, and Hill for Iggy and Smith trade.

Ariza has a serious long term issue with his foot. That reduces his value. He also hasn't made a shot since jumping out of Kobe's jock strap.

This is completely false. Ariza did great once Martin was in the lineup. He averaged the same amount of points on two less shots per game. His percentages went way up and he starting getting closer to triple doubles every game (and finally got one in the last game of the season).

Ariza has a serious long term issue with his foot. Teams aren't really falling over themselves to acquire his services so that his foot may implode while they are paying his salary. Also, the Sixers do not have a prolific scorer on the roster like Kobe & Kmart for Ariza to benefit from and pad his own stats. Without a prolific scorer, Ariza will provide what he gave before the Kmart trade and after jumping out of Kobe's jock strap right? That's not a player nearly as valuable as Iguodala especially considering his bum foot.

[Brian Chapman]

wow 76 fans have no idea what they are talking about

i watched all 82 rocket games this year, ariza missed 0 games because of foot. he missed 2 weeks for a hip pointer

when he was asked to be the man, he was a turnover machine and rushed shots, when we got kevin martin, ariza took off.. he was able to feed off martin and brooks better, and do what he does best, intangibles, steals,defense,finishing breaks

if ariza is any teams #1 or #2 option you will hate him, if he is your #4 or #5 option he can lead you to a championship

as far as hill, he wasnt taught at a young age, so he will be a late bloomer, you see some games where his skill is unbelieveable. ...once he fine tunes and gets more polish he will be a stud. i like him more than patrick patterson and patterson is rated #6 in rookies from summer league...hill is better(just needs to be in right system)

if you give hill the ball and tell him to be "bosh" you wil be disapointed...if hill is ask to rebound,dunk,finish breaks, he is electrifying

i like hill more than brad miller, the only reason morey signed miller is because hill is asked about in trades as trade bait to try to upgrade the starters

ariza is asked about,brooks,hill....morey has said this a month ago

budinger, well his defense blows, he is overrated because he is white...as a white player he is slightly worse than mike miller....as a black player he blows. i like ariza waaaaaaay more than budinger

ariza is 24 btw...everyone keeps saying he is a veteran...hes 24 people

i actually hate this trade. i want to keep ariza as a 6th man,keep hill to backup scola.

id give you guys budinger,patterson,both knick picks 2011/2012 + rockets pick 2012 for iggy....thats PLENTY...

when amare being the only good player on knicks this year ,that pick is gold(randolph is injury prone)

and amare sucks without nash..that team is a joke...expect pick to be top 13...thats pretty good considering iggy has a MASSIVE contract for another 4 years and you guys need to save money.

btw, we almost took brand off your hands on draft night, but literally 1 hour before draft started you guys got cold feet. thanks alot. we really wanted cousins but nooooooooooo...

so, final conclusion, if you guys get ariza,budinger,hill,picks.then morey got punked.

[GTO]

wow 76 fans have no idea what they are talking about
nked.

STFU. You are an embarassment to Rockets fans and humans.