Bill Simmons believes Cavs should trade for Arenas

[AceDegenerate]

Can't they just play together?

Wall pg, Arenas sg, Kirk combo back up

pretty solid guard rotation imo

There's only 1 basketball, and only 1 guy can be the guy with the ball in his hands most of the time. For Arenas' entire career that's been him. Now it will be Wall. Arenas will have to adjust to a different role - and if he struggles, his market value goes down, and if he pouts, his market value falls off a cliff. On top of all that, there's the matter than in the long term, the last thing you want to do when building around Wall is have his #2 guy be too old to matter when Wall actually gets really good.

I'm not saying it can't work out to Washington's benefit to keep him for a while, but I would be absolutely stunned if their management's only question was not WHEN to trade Arenas, not IF. And the moment they get a decent offer, WHEN becomes now.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Arenas has spent plenty of time off the ball in his career, including entire seasons specifically when he was paired with Hughes in the backcourt.

[Esohny]

And Simmons proves once again that he is a moron.

[Shanghai Kid]

Health wise, Gilbert should be fine. He didn't get injured last year, he got suspended. Infact, in his last eight games he averaged 25ppg/8 assists, so clearly he was becoming an All-Star calibur guard again.

All the secondary role talk has no merit, Arenas shared a backcourt with Larry Hughes in a year where Larry Hughes averaged 22ppg/5 assists. Larry Hughes had a similar usage rate to most starting point guards that year and Gilbert meanwhile had a lower usage rate that season than Jamal Tinsley. Gilbert btw averaged 25/5/5 that year and the Wiz won 45 games. If anything, the Wizards most successful season was when they paired Gil with another ball handler who could attack the basket.

So even if it doesn't work out, you can at least allow Gil to play up his trade value. The secondary role thing needs to be addressed like this, Gilbert is still going to lead the team in shot attempts. He's still going to average over 20ppg. And he has a chance to rebuild his image, and than this trade value will be way higher.

[richboy]

Health wise, Gilbert should be fine. He didn't get injured last year, he got suspended. Infact, in his last eight games he averaged 25ppg/8 assists, so clearly he was becoming an All-Star calibur guard again.

All the secondary role talk has no merit, Arenas shared a backcourt with Larry Hughes in a year where Larry Hughes averaged 22ppg/5 assists. Larry Hughes had a similar usage rate to most starting point guards that year and Gilbert meanwhile had a lower usage rate that season than Jamal Tinsley. Gilbert btw averaged 25/5/5 that year and the Wiz won 45 games. If anything, the Wizards most successful season was when they paired Gil with another ball handler who could attack the basket.

So even if it doesn't work out, you can at least allow Gil to play up his trade value. The secondary role thing needs to be addressed like this, Gilbert is still going to lead the team in shot attempts. He's still going to average over 20ppg. And he has a chance to rebuild his image, and than this trade value will be way higher.

No he clearly had 8 good games. You can't say 8 games means he back to allstar status.

[Jazzfan12]

Gilbert Arenas has played in 47 games in the last three seasons. People say his value can't get lower, it can if the new CBA massively lowers contracts and if he continues his streak of missing entire seasons.

[bullsnewdynasty]

HAHA

Wizards fans think this is too little? I thought a couple of months ago they were on their hands and knees begging for expirings.

You thought wrong.....

Just saying it might be wise to trade Arenas, as you currently have 3 players in your guard rotation whose natural position is PG. Wall obviously isn't going anywhere, and you just got Hinrich.

[Shanghai Kid]

No he clearly had 8 good games. You can't say 8 games means he back to allstar status.

Except that he averaged 22ppg/7 assists for the entire season with no indication that his health was a concern. What we saw was him getting better as the season went along. By February, he likely would have been an All-Star candidate, probably only getting left off because of his teams record.

[Shanghai Kid]

Everybody has always said that Gilbert's natural posistion is SG, and now he gets to try that out.

[Gordon Bombay]

keep him

[Doctor MJ]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Arenas has spent plenty of time off the ball in his career, including entire seasons specifically when he was paired with Hughes in the backcourt.

Huh. Well, here's what I'll say, I haven't watched as much of the Wiz as Wiz fans have.

Really though, Arenas is a guy who has not only been a volume scorer who racks up free throws at an amazing rate - he's led his team in assists every year he's started. As a 6'3" guy you just don't rack free throws and assists like that without spending a lot of time with the ball in your hands. The Wizards aren't going to want to see Wall hanging out while Arenas spends time working the one-on-ones. Arenas will have to take on a Miller-Hamilton-Allen type role to work with Wall.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Finally a decently rational thread about Gilbert Arenas!

The problem is that while Moon, West and Gibson are exactly the kinds of players that need to come back in an Arenas deal (defenders and 3 point shooters), it's horrible PR especially with West, and there aren't enough long term assets. Still think its better to see if he can boost his value.

Not sure I like it for Cleveland unless they can still play top-tier defense with a Williams/Arenas backcourt and shipping out their two best perimeter defenders.

[Blame Rasho]

I think Arenas might be the most untradeable and undesirable player/contract in the NBA.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Elton Brand and Rashard Lewis say hi.

[Blame Rasho]

Elton Brand and Rashard Lewis say hi.

Gilbert Arenas
$17,730,694
$19,269,308
$20,807,922
$22,346,53

Elton Brand
$15,959,099
$17,059,726
$18,160,354

Rashard Lewis
$20,514,000
$22,152,000
$23,790,00

Yeah... Arenas has a worse contract and he has only played 47 games in the past three years...

[Doctor MJ]

Elton Brand and Rashard Lewis say hi.

Both those guys have less time on their contract than Arenas does and aren't considered anywhere near the locker room risk that Arenas is, so I could still see an argument for Arenas over them. However, if Arenas can show he's returned to form, he'll clearly be a draw to teams looking for an exciting star to fill seats.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Arenas can also still be a 22-25 ppg player on above average efficiency; the other guys are 6th men types or 5th starters at best. The other guys are older too; there's no way Brand goes back to being a 20/10 player.

[Jase]

What are the gun laws like in Ohio?

Wow, is that still funny?

[JordansBulls]

I think Arenas might be the most untradeable and undesirable player/contract in the NBA.

I think that belongs to Joe Johnson.

[realfung]

Owner promises title all the time and Gibert made a stupid one, I don't think Cleveland can talk about championship for at least 5 years.

[J0rdan4life42o]

lol...yeah, Arenas will lead the Cavs to 40 wins and an 8th seed, rekindle the only rivalry LeBron has ever had (w/ Arenas) and watch the Cavs take out Miami in 6 games, with the winning game at home in Cleveland...all on the way to winning the 2010-2011 championship....it's a nice fairy tale but this isn't hollywood or the WWE. Owners don't make moves based on grudges, spite and anger. Trading for Arenas would just set Cleveland back 4 more seasons. The Cavs need to rebuilt, hopefully get a high pick in the next few lottos and then be players again.