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Post #201 » by **Miller4ever** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:48 pm

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Asterisked columns are adjusted stats according to minutes. Realistically, all stats would be toned down for a more standard 90-attempt game. All stats would be reduced slightly, but with the adjusted minutes you can at least see who has the edge where. We have the edge in every statistical category, except passing by .3 per game. All of our statistical leads are by wider margins.

Post #202 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:28 am

Thanks, your matchup looks far more interesting than I thought it would . . . mine seems to be missing an opponent, sigh . . . Hopefully our judges will step up and write up their judgments.

Post #203 » by **Miller4ever** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:59 am

I've been misunderestimated.

I'd complain about the regular season, but at least I made my own success there.

Post #204 » by **CellarDoor** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:53 pm

So I assume we're just giving Pen a bye here?

Post #205 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:21 pm

What fun would that be? You have his original writeup, go ahead and judge it anyway, shouldn't be THAT much difference.

Post #206 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:00 pm

I know it says the 25th, but if people could vote sooner it would be greatly appreciated.

This things' been going on a long time. I actually had to look it up again to see what players Miller had selected for his team.

A hypocritical request given I myself waited till the last minute on everything, but it would be appreciated.

Post #207 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:01 pm

penbeast0 wrote:What fun would that be? You have his original writeup, go ahead and judge it anyway, shouldn't be THAT much difference.

I'd agree with this, but we dont even know if Sabas would participate in the finals for sure.

Post #208 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:04 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Thanks, your matchup looks far more interesting than I thought it would . . . mine seems to be missing an opponent, sigh . . . Hopefully our judges will step up and write up their judgments.

I won't say the matchup isn't interesting (I think it is anyway), but I don't see how adding up stat totals like that is really a fair comparison.

Post #209 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:35 am

It's not. But it's a great way to make someone change their preconceptions towards this matchup.

I'm not going to lie and say I wasn't disappointed in the regular season results. The Nets were a top-4 team in this competition before the draft. After it, we became some kind of bottom feeder when the judgments came through for the regular season, going 2-4 from both assessments, to tie for 6th. This set me up as the underdog for the subway series. I wanted to prove that my team, at least statistically, was not less efficient than the Knicks. Obviously, if those players actually got together to play it would've been different, but the Nets had a championship team to start, complete with great chemistry and all that, and I did nothing to mess with it.

The lack of playmaking is something that I feel is an unfair assessment of my team. I think I have less passing NAMES. I definitely have the passing players, though.

Post #210 » by **penbeast0** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:41 pm

TMAC steps up like a mensch, and BlackIce says he is going to post plus probably CellarDoor too. If anyone knows how to get in touch with Turkish Thunder, let's see if we can get everyone on board for the last two weeks (Semis and Finals).

Post #211 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:44 pm

He's a bit of an enigma, to say the least.

Post #212 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:03 am

Well, CellarDoor and TMAC agreed so we have a final -- Colonels v. Knicks. Again, one week for posting, one week for judging -- judging can start as soon as both finalists post a writeup but will continue until Sunday August 8th or until we have two judges agreeing.

We hopefully will get Miller writing a judgment and CellarDoor and Tmac writing again -- don't know what happened to BlackIce and Turkish Thunder and Sabas have disappeared. But at least 2 out of 3 will be a victory. Very dissappointed with the judging phase after everyone did such a great job of writing up their own teams.

Post #213 » by **Miller4ever** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:40 am

Congrats to Snake. I feel like the Nets defense was underrated, but I didn't do a good job of closing the gap there. I got outdrafted. Looking forward to the next competition.

I'll be here to judge.

Post #214 » by **Snakebites** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:31 pm

I see no reason this can't end in a week.

I intend to get my writeup going within the next couple of days.

If Pen does the same, voting on the final matchup can be over by the end of this coming weekend.

Post #215 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:41 am

If I did a "good job" as you say and the gap is as large as you make it sound, then the problem was with this game's initial setup.

Luckily for the fate of this competition, I disagree.

Writeup forthcoming.

(a) I do think you did a very good job drafting and building a team; and good writeups. The problem is that you picked a very weak team. I thought Milwaukee or maybe Detroit would be the weakest team in the competition but you and Philly chose teams appreciably weaker than that then had to do more catchup than someone like CellarDoor.

(b) Tried something different here and I do think the balance issue was pretty reasonable; the judging issues were a problem -- I put too much of a load on the GMs with 21 different writeups to do and it seems most people just decided it was too much time to commit with their real lives taking priority.

(c) And, while I think you did a good job, I think I did too. 8-)

Post #216 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:44 am

Did I do a worse job than you two?

Post #217 » by **CellarDoor** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:01 pm

People end up in odd situations depending on draft orders and such throughout all these games. Someone's always going to have an advantage on paper, even in a straight draft game, just by virtue of who's on the board when they get key picks.

Post #218 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:26 pm

I thought Miller was in a bit of a tough draft spot.

I thought the biggest impact guys (Mcadoo, Lanier, McGinnis, Hayes) went right before he made his selection. Moses is a great player, but he was too easy to discount given his extreme youth, lousiness of his team, and suspect nature of statistics on such a limited ABA team. It was tough for me to assess his value.

Post #219 » by **Snakebites** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:55 pm

I realize this is all in good fun, but saying I did a great job follow up with various jabs like:

NY's coach who quit a couple of years later saying the players of the era were uncoachable, a talented but soft defensive center, and tries to make up for it by stacking 4 scorers in their starting lineup with only one player, a rookie, who plays without the ball.

and

We just set it up to work as a team, rather than playground.

is kinda poor form.

If you want to bash my team and say its inferior that's fine, and its even part of the game. I don't even mind a few smart aleck jabs thrown in there, either. But I'd appreciate a little consistency in the future.

Post #220 » by **penbeast0** » Sun Aug 1, 2010 1:44 pm

My writeup was respectable, the rebuttals . . . ah, that's the spot for cheap shots. Just having fun --

The Holtzman comment was a response to your comment about coaching players in the 70s.

The playground was a response to your saying that our forwards were pitiful offensively trying to get across the point that while on the playground you look at one on one breakdowns, in the NBA you look at how the team works as a unit.

Take off the gloves and fire back