Gentry clarifying moves (or trying to)

dantian · Post #41 » by **dantian** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:06 am

Nash gets worn down from handling the ball too much given his age, in a game and/or over the season. When tired or with some nagging injuries, his shooting is way subpar to his own standard. Particularly in the Blazers and Lakers series, he missed too many open shots given his reputation as one the best shooters ever. That's why Gentry stressed again, that he wants to take Nash off ball-handling duties as much as possible and utilize his shooting more, apparently as catch-and-shooter instead of pull-up shooter.

Mr. Sun · Post #42 » by **Mr. Sun** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:15 am

I like the idea of using Nash as a shooter but wonder why that couldn't been done with Grant?

DirtyDez · Post #43 » by **DirtyDez** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:28 am

Mr. Sun wrote:I like the idea of using Nash as a shooter but wonder why that couldn't been done with Grant?

Grant is not a primary ball-handler anymore. Sure he can bring the ball up the court but Hedo is an overall better shot creater and passer. When Hill was in his prime he was dominant in all 3 categories.

bimmer_class · Post #44 » by **bimmer_class** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:39 pm

he clarified the moves pretty well, and i think overall he knows what hes doing. i like the idea of turk playing some minutes with the 2nd unit and being hte playmaker if/when dragic stalls.

JohnVancouver · Post #45 » by **JohnVancouver** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:15 pm

yes, using nash as a shooter is a very good idea, as a changeup; and it cuts down wear and tear on him if we get the ball out of his hands once ina while

I love the idea of Dragic at the 1 and nash spotting up, or with Hedo

phx#7 · Post #46 » by **phx#7** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:34 pm

DirtyDez wrote:Not a huge fan of Josh Smith i'd rather have Horford and play him at PF next to Lopez. That team would destroy the paint.

Exactly. I don't see the fascination with getting yet another SF to plug the PF hole. If you're going to dream up fantasy trade scenarios with Atlanta why not shoot for the moon and get a legit young PF stud.

Nando88 · Post #47 » by **Nando88** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:46 pm

i think the suns should go out and try for David west, or troy murphy

lespaul89 · Post #48 » by **lespaul89** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:15 pm

phx#7 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Not a huge fan of Josh Smith i'd rather have Horford and play him at PF next to Lopez. That team would destroy the paint.

Exactly. I don't see the fascination with getting yet another SF to plug the PF hole. If you're going to dream up fantasy trade scenarios with Atlanta why not shoot for the moon and get a legit young PF stud.

+100000000000000000

What has Josh Smith ever done?

Christine-In-AZ · Post #49 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:31 pm

I keep seeing David West's name being mentioned as the Suns PF fix.

Really? He's a career 7.5 rebs in 34 minutes player...that's substantially worse than Amare's rebounding where-with-all. And what would we lose in the transaction? Not to mention the adding of yet another frontline player that'll be taking a major hit to his expected game minutes...unless a forward leaves in a multi-player deal. That forward would almost have to be Dudley....ooouch!

jensa · Post #50 » by **jensa** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:27 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:I keep seeing David West's name being mentioned as the Suns PF fix.

Really? He's a career 7.5 rebs in 34 minutes player...that's substantially worse than Amare's rebounding where-with-all. And what would we lose in the transaction? Not to mention the adding of yet another frontline player that'll be taking a major hit to his expected game minutes...unless a forward leaves in a multi-player deal. That forward would almost have to be Dudley....ooouch!

Couldn't agree more. Especially if JRich would be involved in the trade. We have to remember that he is one of our best rebounders who, together with Hill, was the main reason we didn't get slaughtered on the boards last season. If we trade him for a PF we better get a beast of a rebounder or we may very well end up +/- 0 on the boards while also loosing our top scorer.

nashrambler13 · Post #51 » by **nashrambler13** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:14 am

I'm not so sure about this whole "Steve Nash: The Spot-Up Shooter" idea. Don't get me wrong, I think that Steve Nash is the best shooter in the league right now easy. Top 5 in history also, but he has just shown that he is not as good of a shooter unless it is off the dribble. Remember the three-point competition? He SUCKED. Seriously. And I can specifically remember many times when he would be so disgustingly wide open that everyone on the court started to jog back, but bricked it every time. Granted, Steve didn't get many opportunities to shoot this shot, but when he did, it usually wasn't to great, IMO.

Now i TOTALLY have faith that he can hit that shot at the unbelievable clip that he does everything else, but he hasn't shown that he can.

On a side note, doesn't this team have great potential to be far and away the best shooting team in the league (perhaps EVER?!?!)? Especially at 3's good lord.

Nash 50-42-93
JRICH 47-40-73
Hill 48-44-81
Turk 50-38-78
Lopez 59---72
Dragic 45-40-74
Chilldress- 52-36-80
Dudley 46-46-76
Warrick 48-18-72
Frye 45-44-81

dantian · Post #52 » by **dantian** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:06 pm

nashrambler13 wrote:I'm not so sure about this whole "Steve Nash: The Spot-Up Shooter" idea. Don't get me wrong, I think that Steve Nash is the best shooter in the league right now easy. Top 5 in history also, but he has just shown that he is not as good of a shooter unless it is off the dribble. Remember the three-point competition? He SUCKED. Seriously. And I can specifically remember many times when he would be so disgustingly wide open that everyone on the court started to jog back, but bricked it every time. Granted, Steve didn't get many opportunities to shoot this shot, but when he did, it usually wasn't to great, IMO.

Now i TOTALLY have faith that he can hit that shot at the unbelievable clip that he does everything else, but he hasn't shown that he can.

I vividly recall those moments. But I'm quite sure it's due to two issues: 1st, he was having nagging injuries ever after Dec.; 2nd, he hasn't practiced that set shots too much, not to mention in game conditions. For the perfect form Nash has, it's impossible that he keeps shooting the set shots that bad! I refuse to believe it.
Amare with more touches finally learned to avoid committing insane number of charging TOs and to pass the ball. With game planning, Nash will become catch-and-shooter as good as Reggie Miller, Ray Allen.

Post #53 » by **KJ7** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:45 pm

nashrambler13 wrote:I'm not so sure about this whole "Steve Nash: The Spot-Up Shooter" idea. Don't get me wrong, I think that Steve Nash is the best shooter in the league right now easy. Top 5 in history also, but he has just shown that he is not as good of a shooter unless it is off the dribble. Remember the three-point competition? He SUCKED. Seriously. And I can specifically remember many times when he would be so disgustingly wide open that everyone on the court started to jog back, but bricked it every time. Granted, Steve didn't get many opportunities to shoot this shot, but when he did, it usually wasn't to great, IMO.

Now i TOTALLY have faith that he can hit that shot at the unbelievable clip that he does everything else, but he hasn't shown that he can.

I think the idea is just so he doesn't run the PnR *every* time, that way he is fresher towards the end of games and we can close them out. Especialy when teams switch he uses a heck of a lot of energy beating bigger guys off the dribble. He can still do it but smarter coaches know that if he does it on every play he's gonna be stuffed by the end of the game. He's a phenomenal shooter I can't see him struggling with it espec if he's healthy.

nashrambler13 wrote:On a side note, doesn't this team have great potential to be far and away the best shooting team in the league (perhaps EVER?!?!)? Especially at 3's good lord.

Nash 50-42-93
JRICH 47-40-73
Hill 48-44-81
Turk 50-38-78
Lopez 59---72
Dragic 45-40-74
Chilldress- 52-36-80
Dudley 46-46-76
Warrick 48-18-72
Frye 45-44-81

I was thinking *exactly* the same thing. OK Hill and Chill aren't volume 3pt scorers but we got SIX players who are adn the most fantastic thing is that they all play different positions on the court so we could effectively go with a "raining 3s" line-up. This could possibly be our best 3pt shooting team ever. I think Hedo's gonna love being open so much for 3pters.

nashrambler13 · Post #54 » by **nashrambler13** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:22 pm

Does anyone know what the records are for team FG%? in threes. FTs and FG seperately?

RocPHX · Post #55 » by **RocPHX** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:35 pm

Nash wasn't a very good spot up shooter in terry porters system either if I remember correctly..

MrMiyagi · Post #56 » by **MrMiyagi** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:47 am

nashrambler13 wrote:Does anyone know what the records are for team FG%? in threes. FTs and FG seperately?

I could only find those stats for playoffs.
3pt%- 51.7% Dallas Mavericks(1985-86)
FG%- 54.8% Boston Celtics (1989-90)
FT%- 87.3% Philadelphia 76ers (1983-84)
http://www.nba.com/statistics/encyc/Sea ... l&x=11&y=6

DRK · Post #57 » by **DRK** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:06 pm

Im kinda on the fence about David West. yes, his contract is pretty damn good, but you pay for what you get with a player like West. i would rather have Josh Smith anyday.

Anyone think Chris Kaman would be a good fit? J-Rich for Chris Kaman?

ma_falaa_50 · Post #58 » by **ma_falaa_50** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:05 pm

id wait on horford or Kaman. David west id intriguing because he only has 2 yrs left and comes at a cheap price. he is a consistent player but not s superstar. I think horford is a solid pick p at PF. ppl forget that he is avg 15 n 9, can run, rebound, and defend. Ppl just dont see it because he is at the C position and he constantly gets overshadowed by Dwight howard.

Jimmy76 · Post #59 » by **Jimmy76** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:10 pm

ma_falaa_50 wrote:id wait on horford or Kaman. David west id intriguing because he only has 2 yrs left and comes at a cheap price. he is a consistent player but not s superstar. I think horford is a solid pick p at PF. ppl forget that he is avg 15 n 9, can run, rebound, and defend. Ppl just dont see it because he is at the C position and he constantly gets overshadowed by Dwight howard.

i would kill for any of those guys

and the rotation it would give us

Post #60 » by **Miklo** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:14 pm

Jimmy76 wrote:
ma_falaa_50 wrote:id wait on horford or Kaman. David west id intriguing because he only has 2 yrs left and comes at a cheap price. he is a consistent player but not s superstar. I think horford is a solid pick p at PF. ppl forget that he is avg 15 n 9, can run, rebound, and defend. Ppl just dont see it because he is at the C position and he constantly gets overshadowed by Dwight howard.

i would kill for any of those guys

and the rotation it would give us

Same here, West or Horford would be my picks. They would vastly improve the talent level on our team and make the Playoffs a more realistic goal.