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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#81 » by Devilzsidewalk » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:05 am

C.lupus wrote:I'm not getting in this one. I've got enough stuff to deal with. Rev can have this argument.


btw, sorry for being so grumpy today. Ongoing PM conversation with a troll, lack of sleep, and waking up to multiple reported posts this morning. I'm better now. Just needed to sit quietly and make some happy sigs.


is it dj mbenga? By the way, 2 peas in a pod - nothing makes me happier than sitting quietly and rolling up some happy cigs. I didn't know you were into that, we could've been hanging out a long time ago
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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#82 » by Esohny » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:12 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
C.lupus wrote:I'm not getting in this one. I've got enough stuff to deal with. Rev can have this argument.


btw, sorry for being so grumpy today. Ongoing PM conversation with a troll, lack of sleep, and waking up to multiple reported posts this morning. I'm better now. Just needed to sit quietly and make some happy sigs.


is it dj mbenga? By the way, 2 peas in a pod - nothing makes me happier than sitting quietly and rolling up some happy cigs. I didn't know you were into that, we could've been hanging out a long time ago


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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#83 » by revprodeji » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:55 am

thesuperficial wrote:I guess it is new to me because accusing people of racism by misrepresenting their posts isn't my style at all. I would bet that no one on this board has seriously argued that we are targeting too many white players. Either way I better move on now.


I am using my Droid so forgive me if I am wrong but I never called anyone a racist I Just said I am sick of tools making race issues about the roster. This has been a talking point this summer. It bothers me like some people are bothered by the many PG commentary. Do we make a deal about how many blue eyed players we have? It is just a horrible thing. I am sensitive to this. I was the only white kid on my aau team and the majority of questions involved the race difference. It is a stupid sports racist thing. Black quarterback white runningback all white basketball players are smart skilled but lack athletic ability. It is ignorant. I di not believe mcfale intended all of this but after hearing it so many times it gets annoying.

I am more confused why you are continuing to argue this when it had nothing to do with you.
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Post#84 » by thesuperficial » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:07 am

If we only posted about stuff that had to do with us this board would be empty.
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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#85 » by revprodeji » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:18 am

In order to use cap room you need to renounce all exceptions. We had to do so in order to trade for Beasley. TPE's technically aren't traded from one team to another, they're created in trades as exceptions for teams above the cap. Since we we were under the cap, we didn't get an exception, we just got cap.


I have heard different takes. Where are You getting this?

Better question would be what difference the tpe or cap makes.
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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#86 » by horaceworthy » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:37 am

It really doesn't make any difference, TPE's would let a team go over the cap, but there are more restrictions on how it can be used. Cap would only let you go up to the cap before being limited to minimum contracts, but there aren't the restrictions in terms of who you can combine it with. Being under the cap also means that Koufos can be combined with another player in trade without restriction now as opposed to only by himself if we had been over the cap.

Exceptions had to be renounced in order to give up cap for Beasley, once that happened, Wolves can't go back over this season. All the TPE stuff is really mostly semantics. Bottom line is that the Wolves got about $12M to play with in the Jefferson deal (they've now used some on Ridnour).

Larry Coon wrote:20. How do exceptions count against the cap? Does being under the cap always mean that a team has room to sign free agents? Do teams ever lose their exceptions?

If a team is below the cap, then their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions are added to their team salary, and the league treats the team as though they are over the cap. This is to prevent a loophole, in a manner similar to free agent amounts (see question numbers 30, 31, 32, 33). A team can't act like they're under the cap and sign free agents using cap room, and then use their Disabled Player, Bi-Annual, Mid-Level and/or Traded Player exceptions. Consequently, the exceptions are added to their team salary (putting the team over the cap) if the team is under the cap and adding the exceptions puts them over the cap. If a team is already over the cap, then the exceptions are not added to their team salary. There would be no point in doing so, since there is no cap room for signing free agents.

So being under the cap does not necessarily mean a team has room to sign free agents. For example, assume the cap is $49.5 million, and a team has $43 million committed to salaries. They also have a Mid-Level exception for $5 million and a Traded Player exception for $5.5 million. Even though their salaries put them $6.5 million under the cap, their exceptions are added to their salaries, putting them at $53.5 million, or $4 million over the cap. So they actually have no cap room to sign free agents, and instead must use their exceptions.

Teams have the option of renouncing their exceptions in order to claim the cap room. So in the example above, if the team renounced their Traded Player and Mid-Level exceptions, then the $10.5 million is taken off their team salary, which then totals $43 million, leaving them with $6.5 million of cap room which can then be used to sign free agent(s).




Larry Coon wrote:There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team has to be below the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. The effect is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but they can't have both.
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Post#87 » by Klomp » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:40 am

Looks like I missed all the fun yet again.
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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#88 » by cpfsf » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:52 am

Klomp wrote:Looks like I missed all the fun yet again.


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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#89 » by Klomp » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:55 am

Except it is...... I won't have Internet access for a few days. That means lupus is in charge. Everyone behave or I'll bring out the belt when I get back.
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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#90 » by Breakdown777 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:47 am

Klomp wrote:Except it is...... I won't have Internet access for a few days. That means lupus is in charge. Everyone behave or I'll bring out the belt when I get back.


I had my doubts, but now I'm sure that this is your true identidy, and this is the "belt" you are speaking of.

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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#91 » by thesuperficial » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:05 am

I've been told by those in the know that Rev is the man and I shouldn't argue with him.
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Post#92 » by revprodeji » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:04 am

thesuperficial wrote:I've been told by those in the know that Rev is the man and I shouldn't argue with him.


While this is clearly true, who would be foolish enough to stroke my ego and tell you this?

Unless you are just sarcastically trying to bait me further.
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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#93 » by shrink » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:38 pm

revprodeji wrote:
In order to use cap room you need to renounce all exceptions. We had to do so in order to trade for Beasley. TPE's technically aren't traded from one team to another, they're created in trades as exceptions for teams above the cap. Since we we were under the cap, we didn't get an exception, we just got cap.


I have heard different takes. Where are You getting this?

Better question would be what difference the tpe or cap makes.


Horaceworthy has this covered with the unimitable Larry Coon, but let me just add one last point to simplify things:

Exceptions are renounced because they carry cap holds.

Suppose on July 7, a team's total payroll was $35 mil, but it hadn't renounced it's exceptions. Its available cap space would be:

$40.00 salaries
$5.765 MLE
$2.080 BAE
$4.000 TPE
$51.845

Salary cap is $57.7, and they are under it, but they only have $5.855 of cap space to use.

Since these exceptions release the same money, but cap space can be combined together for flexibility, there's often little reason to not simply renounce all your exceptions.
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Re: Funk, Sources: Ridnour meets with Wolves today 

Post#94 » by walchy » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:04 pm

revprodeji wrote:
thesuperficial wrote:I've been told by those in the know that Rev is the man and I shouldn't argue with him.


While this is clearly true, who would be foolish enough to stroke my ego and tell you this?

Unless you are just sarcastically trying to bait me further.



why would anyone try and bait you, tiger?? :eyebrows:


unless its baiting you to their bedroom :eyebrows: :eyebrows:
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