Andrea isn't a C - But what is a C?

Tommy Gun · Post #41 » by **Tommy Gun** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:10 pm

He's not a good basketball player period. He's a mediocrity no matter what position you put him at. That will be even more evident this year when the seemingly never-ending excuse list is even more exhausted. True story

TheMainEvent · Post #42 » by **TheMainEvent** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:14 pm

I don't have much of a problem with Bargnani at C, mainly because I think he's a bit of a liability at every position, lol. The main problem I have with Bargnani is that he's an incredibly bad help defender (he's a capable man-to-man defender), but that problem would still exist if he was a PF.

appel · Post #43 » by **appel** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:17 pm

Tommy Gun wrote:He's not a good basketball player period. He's a mediocrity no matter what position you put him at. That will be even more evident this year when the seemingly never-ending excuse list is even more exhausted. True story

Sometime i wanna ask for a trade
Bargs everywhere
Trade Bargs for Bynum, for BigAL, for Gortat, i dont care
A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

JN · Post #44 » by JN » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:20 pm

A center being able to closely guard a centre who is not in a scoring position and not a scoring threat is a detriment to a team.

It does not show good man to man defence - instead it shows terrible defensive awareness.

dacrusha · Post #45 » by **dacrusha** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:23 pm

appel wrote:
Tommy Gun wrote:He's not a good basketball player period. He's a mediocrity no matter what position you put him at. That will be even more evident this year when the seemingly never-ending excuse list is even more exhausted. True story

Sometime i wanna ask for a trade
Bargs everywhere
Trade Bargs for Bynum, for BigAL, for Gortat, i dont care
A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

No one wants to take on a $50 million player better suited to be a 6th man, so a trade is pretty much out of the question. That and BC will not make a trade until his experiment comes back with the final definitive results (in 2015).

JN · Post #46 » by JN » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:27 pm

appel wrote:
Tommy Gun wrote:He's not a good basketball player period. He's a mediocrity no matter what position you put him at. That will be even more evident this year when the seemingly never-ending excuse list is even more exhausted. True story

Sometime i wanna ask for a trade
Bargs everywhere
Trade Bargs for Bynum, for BigAL, for Gortat, i dont care
A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

I understand your frustration. It has to be hard to be a fan of a player, and not a team, when that player has never met any of your expectations and is a weak minded player. You take out those frustrations for his failing onto others.

appel · Post #47 » by **appel** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:30 pm

dacrusha wrote:
appel wrote:
Tommy Gun wrote:He's not a good basketball player period. He's a mediocrity no matter what position you put him at. That will be even more evident this year when the seemingly never-ending excuse list is even more exhausted. True story

Sometime i wanna ask for a trade
Bargs everywhere
Trade Bargs for Bynum, for BigAL, for Gortat, i dont care
A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

No one wants to take on a $50 million player better suited to be a 6th man, so a trade is pretty much out of the question. That and BC will not make a trade until his experiment comes back with the final definitive results (in 2015).

Actually i think Toronto don't deserve Bargs, 'cause a lot of idiots
Try to trade him to GS plz, Bargs for Biedo or for Lee, trade him to Memphis for Z-Bo, to Charlotte for Dampier, to Dallas for Haywood, to Washington for nothing, i don't care where
I read enough

A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

appel · Post #48 » by **appel** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:32 pm

JN wrote:
appel wrote:
Tommy Gun wrote:He's not a good basketball player period. He's a mediocrity no matter what position you put him at. That will be even more evident this year when the seemingly never-ending excuse list is even more exhausted. True story

Sometime i wanna ask for a trade
Bargs everywhere
Trade Bargs for Bynum, for BigAL, for Gortat, i dont care
A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

I understand your frustration. It has to be hard to be a fan of a player, and not a team, when that player has never met any of your expectations and is a weak minded player. You take out those frustrations for his failing onto others.

You understanding NOTHING
I'm a Raptors fan too
I don't wanna see Bargs play in the desert shooting 30 times every night with a 15-67 season
But i' had enough of a lot of idiots

A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

dacrusha · Post #49 » by **dacrusha** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:34 pm

appel wrote:
dacrusha wrote:
appel wrote:

Sometime i wanna ask for a trade
Bargs everywhere
Trade Bargs for Bynum, for BigAL, for Gortat, i dont care
A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

No one wants to take on a $50 million player better suited to be a 6th man, so a trade is pretty much out of the question. That and BC will not make a trade until his experiment comes back with the final definitive results (in 2015).

Actually i think Toronto don't deserve Bargs, 'cause a lot of idiots
Try to trade him to GS plz, Bargs for Biedo or for Lee, trade him to Memphis for Z-Bo, to Charlotte for Dampier, to Dallas for Haywood, to Washington for nothing, i don't care where
I read enough

A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

None of those teams will babysit and coddle Bargs like we do here... so, if he DID get traded, you can expect his minutes and numbers to drop.

Is that what you really want for your favorite player?

Tommy Gun · Post #50 » by **Tommy Gun** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:36 pm

appel wrote:
You understanding NOTHING
I'm a Raptors fan too
I don't wanna see Bargs play in the desert shooting 30 times every night with a 15-67 season
But i' had enough of a lot of idiots

A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

Toronto fans think a hell of a lot more of Bargnani than the rest of the league does. So maybe you need to re-think your premise that we dont deserve IL MAGO

appel · Post #51 » by **appel** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:38 pm

Tommy Gun wrote:
appel wrote:
You understanding NOTHING
I'm a Raptors fan too
I don't wanna see Bargs play in the desert shooting 30 times every night with a 15-67 season
But i' had enough of a lot of idiots

A lot of Raptors fan deserve a lot of 30-52 seasons
How many winning season had Toronto in last 15 years?
4? Too much, a lot of fans don't deserve better

Toronto fans think a hell of a lot more of Bargnani than the rest of the league does. So maybe you need to re-think your premise that we dont deserve IL MAGO

I told "a lot of" not "all the"
Try to read

Reignman · Post #52 » by **Reignman** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:52 pm

Why the hell does Appel keep bringing up our team record? Hasn't Bargs been on this team for the last 4 years as well? Weird. Now I'm not sure if Appel loves or hates Bargs, if our record is a problem then Bargs is a big reason our record has been this poor.

Too Late Crew · Post #53 » by **Too Late Crew** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:59 pm

appel wrote:
Too Late Crew wrote:I have been watching the NBA since 1980 and Bargs is lkley the worst rebounding 30 mpg center I've ver seen. The guys that get made fun of for being poor rebounders? Eddy Curry Rik Smits types? Better rebounders than Bargs. Undersized 3 point shooting PF Matt Bonner playing center? Still a better rebounder than Bargs.

Centers need to rebound. They don't have to be the best on the team but Bargs is historically bad. You almost need to try to be that bad (and I won't waste more than this one sentance on how redicouls the whole "He boxes out so others can rebound argument is")

Do you think he's really so bad? (i admit he must improve)
Ok, look at the stats then
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Re ... ll%20Teams
He's #24 in DRPG
Bad? Not too much, 4.8 DRPG
Why? Look at the others
Dampier 4.9, Lopez 5.4 , Oden 5.4,Perkins 5.6,Bynum 5.6, Haywood 5.7
4.8 is so bad? -1 is so bad?
The tenth C (Okafor) grab 6.0 DRPG. It's so good compared to 4.8?

You can argue "but they played less minutes"
I can argue "Try to play every game +7-8 minutes, you will be a little tired"

You can argue "Try to play every game +7-8 minutes, you will be a little tired" but you will look very stupid doing it.

There are 14 PF or Center who plays 35 mpg or more like Bargs only 2 of them average less defensive rebounds than Bargs Boris Diaw and Jeff green both of whom are terrible rebounders. The other 12 guys don't seem to be too tired to rebound.

Lets add that to the long line of Bargs excuses...he's too tired to rebound.

The use of per game numbers without taking minutes into account is pure folly.

He's BAD historically BAD. His defensive rebounding per 36 has gone from 4.5 to 5.0 since his rookie season. He was terrible then and he's still terrible.

I got a good chuckle when I saw you trying to say he's not Bad look Daimper only gets .2 more. Daimpeer plays a full 12 minutes less per game. That's an ENTIRE 1/4 . Think about that Damp plays bassiclly 2 1/4s of an NBA Bargs plays 3 and Damp STILL outrebonds him.

I wish people would just guive up on this. He's a bad bad historically bad rebounder. There is no excuse there is no way to spin the stas. He's just BAD admit and move on.

wolfv · Post #54 » by **wolfv** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:12 pm

Go ask other fans what they think of andrea bargnani. You really wont like what they have to say about him

appel · Post #55 » by **appel** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:13 pm

Reignman wrote:Why the hell does Appel keep bringing up our team record? Hasn't Bargs been on this team for the last 4 years as well? Weird. Now I'm not sure if Appel loves or hates Bargs, if our record is a problem then Bargs is a big reason our record has been this poor.

Let me think
looking at the 3 years BEFORE Bargs
93 W - 156 L
With Bargs (4 years)
161 - 167

Yes, i agree, the big reason is Bargs
Plz trade him!

dillio · Post #56 » by **dillio** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:22 pm

I don't understand why appel keeps saying that we "don't deserve Bargs". Granted, I don't think you'll find too many people that disagree - after all this franchise has been through of course we don't deserve Bargs - we deserve much, much better. I'm just surprised to hear that from appel because he comes across as a bit of a Bargnani fan.

Truthrising · Post #57 » by **Truthrising** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:27 pm

dillio wrote:I don't understand why appel keeps saying that we "don't deserve Bargs". Granted, I don't think you'll find too many people that disagree - after all this franchise has been through of course we don't deserve Bargs - we deserve much, much better. I'm just surprised to hear that from appel because he comes across as a bit of a Bargnani fan.

Don't worry he'll get his..just like all the Bosh nut-huggers have gotten theirs :lol:

Reignman · Post #58 » by **Reignman** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:30 pm

appel wrote:
Reignman wrote:Why the hell does Appel keep bringing up our team record? Hasn't Bargs been on this team for the last 4 years as well? Weird. Now I'm not sure if Appel loves or hates Bargs, if our record is a problem then Bargs is a big reason our record has been this poor.

Let me think
looking at the 3 years BEFORE Bargs
93 W - 156 L
With Bargs (4 years)
161 - 167

Yes, i agree, the big reason is Bargs
Plz trade him!

You just made my point. Your broken logic that our poor record in our 15 year history is the reason we don't deserve Bargs is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Bargs isn't helping us win either so what's your point?

Edit: I guess it does make sense if you're comparing Bargs to the likes of Milt Pilacio, Cory "homicide" Williams, Dion Glover, etc.

appel · Post #59 » by **appel** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:31 pm

Reignman wrote:
appel wrote:
Reignman wrote:Why the hell does Appel keep bringing up our team record? Hasn't Bargs been on this team for the last 4 years as well? Weird. Now I'm not sure if Appel loves or hates Bargs, if our record is a problem then Bargs is a big reason our record has been this poor.

Let me think
looking at the 3 years BEFORE Bargs
93 W - 156 L
With Bargs (4 years)
161 - 167

Yes, i agree, the big reason is Bargs
Plz trade him!

You just made my point. Your broken logic that our poor record in our 15 year history is the reason we don't deserve Bargs is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Bargs isn't helping us win either so what's your point?

Not exactly
This was the broken logic of Reignman ("Bargs is a big reason our record has been this poor")

appel · Post #60 » by **appel** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:34 pm

dillio wrote:I don't understand why appel keeps saying that we "don't deserve Bargs". Granted, I don't think you'll find too many people that disagree - after all this franchise has been through of course we don't deserve Bargs - we deserve much, much better. I'm just surprised to hear that from appel because he comes across as a bit of a Bargnani fan.

I think a lot of Raptors fans have problem with my english
IOK, my english is poor
But ithink a kid can see the difference between "The Raptor fans don't deserves" and "A lot of fans don't deserves"

A lot of Raptors fans can't read ?