Pacers/ Boston

[basketballwacko2]

I'm not sure I'd do it. Avery Bradley just isn't that impressive IMO. Big Baby is decent, but with the recent FA market, I'd hate to see how much $$$ he'd get in the open market.

If we could get Bradley, Wallace and Davis for Murphy I'd be pretty happy. If we are sending them Murphy, Solo and Rush ti doesn't work on the Checker. Trade ID #5630152. If you take out Rush then it works. I'd say take out Rush and let them keep their Future considerations, we could even give a 2nd to get the deal done.

Pacers cut Wallace save a bunch of money on 2010-11 cap. Could still look to move TJ and Rush in a package some place else.

[Moooose]

I'm not sure I'd do it. Avery Bradley just isn't that impressive IMO. Big Baby is decent, but with the recent FA market, I'd hate to see how much $$$ he'd get in the open market.

If we could get Bradley, Wallace and Davis for Murphy I'd be pretty happy. If we are sending them Murphy, Solo and Rush ti doesn't work on the Checker. Trade ID #5630152. If you take out Rush then it works. I'd say take out Rush and let them keep their Future considerations, we could even give a 2nd to get the deal done.

Pacers cut Wallace save a bunch of money on 2010-11 cap. Could still look to move TJ and Rush in a package some place else.

Better, i guess.

But i still don't like Big Baby that much. it's the idea of giving either Tyler (still unproven and still has the mysterious injury i guess) or Big Baby the starting spot that kinda feels awkward. If this trade pushes through, we're gonna have two big holes in the starting lineup at the PF and PG spots.

The Boston idea wouldn't give us a starting PG but it adds depth. We could then acquire a starting PG by sending out Rush and TJ to Minny for Sessions, but the void at the starting 4 spot will still be unsolved. We'll be extremely lucky if Magnum Rolle steps in and have a season like Taj Gibson but it's unlikely.

If we could somehow send Big Baby with another expiring (maybe Solo, McBob, or Dunleavy) to acquire a young starting PF, it would be near perfect, but i wonder which teams would like to have Big Baby? and would be willing to trade a young promising PF in exchange for his post-season experience? I can't think of much, honestly.

[basketballwacko2]

Better, i guess.

But i still don't like Big Baby that much. it's the idea of giving either Tyler (still unproven and still has the mysterious injury i guess) or Big Baby the starting spot that kinda feels awkward. If this trade pushes through, we're gonna have two big holes in the starting lineup at the PF and PG spots.

The Boston idea wouldn't give us a starting PG but it adds depth. We could then acquire a starting PG by sending out Rush and TJ to Minny for Sessions, but the void at the starting 4 spot will still be unsolved. We'll be extremely lucky if Magnum Rolle steps in and have a season like Taj Gibson but it's unlikely.

If we could somehow send Big Baby with another expiring (maybe Solo, McBob, or Dunleavy) to acquire a young starting PF, it would be near perfect, but i wonder which teams would like to have Big Baby? and would be willing to trade a young promising PF in exchange for his post-season experience? I can't think of much, honestly.

moooose we aren't going anywhere this season anyhow! I'd be ok with Davis, Hans and McBob at PF for the coming season, but like you said maybe we could move Davis for better option but remember we still have Danny who can give you some min at PF if needed and Foster if he's healthy I like him at PF. So we have lots of options.


What I like about the deal is the financial aspect for the Pacers saving a lot of money gives us some flexabily to make a move for Sessions.

[basketballwacko2]

I'd really like to move Murphy and Rush to the Hornets for Collison and Okafor I'm a little cautionary about Okafor's contract but considering the other expirings we have I'd take the chance.

[Moooose]

moooose we aren't going anywhere this season anyhow! I'd be ok with Davis, Hans and McBob at PF for the coming season, but like you said maybe we could move Davis for better option but remember we still have Danny who can give you some min at PF if needed and Foster if he's healthy I like him at PF. So we have lots of options.

Maybe that's where the difference is. I'm pretty optimistic about a better season, about making the playoffs again even as the 8th seed. That's why i'm not with the idea of sending Murphy elsewhere unless we're gonna get a fair value in return.
But if Larry sees that we could use this season to get the guys familiar with one another, especially the rookies, develop the young guys and just see where it goes, then the Boston-Indiana you're proposing would be excellent, we just have to be more patient for another year, and reap a good harvest next offseason. Should that be the case, we could be lottery-bound again.
I get your point. I just think we're pretty much better right now to make the postseason and give Danny a validation that we're progressing, and that the 3-year plan is no joke. LeBron weeks ago and Chris Paul today just made me realize how easy it is to get burned out, impatient, and eventually destroy a franchise. I don't want the same thing to happen with Granger and the Pacers.

[Moooose]

^^ I like the Okafor + Collison better.
Okafor would complement Hibbert's game and he would not be heavily relied upon as a scorer, meaning he could just focus on defense and rebounding.
Collison is intriguing, and could very well be a starter with the Pacers.

[basketballwacko2]

^^ I like the Okafor + Collison better.
Okafor would complement Hibbert's game and he would not be heavily relied upon as a scorer, meaning he could just focus on defense and rebounding.
Collison is intriguing, and could very well be a starter with the Pacers.

If Paul Is leaving the Hornets they will not deal off Collison.

[ardthomp]

For the 57 millionth time...New Orleans is NOT trading Darren Collison. They have nothing to gain from trading him. They are already under the tax, which is where they wanted to be. IF they are going to make a big trade, it is going to be CP3 and Okafor/Stojakovic so they can really cut salary and take back some assets in picks, TPE, and young players.

[Boneman2]

I'd like to get Collison too, but you know how that goes.

If we could get Bradley, Wallace and Davis for Murphy I'd be pretty happy. If we are sending them Murphy, Solo and Rush ti doesn't work on the Checker. Trade ID #5630152. If you take out Rush then it works. I'd say take out Rush and let them keep their Future considerations, we could even give a 2nd to get the deal done.

I like it Basketballwacko2...

OUT
Murphy
Solo

IN
Sheed
Davis
Bradley

I think the flexibility this deal offers would come in useful before the deadline. We might not see it now, but it could help fascilitate something much bigger. Murphy is nice, but as we have clearly seen, his value is not as high as pure cap-space.

[basketballwacko2]

I like it Basketballwacko2...

OUT
Murphy
Solo

IN
Sheed
Davis
Bradley

I think the flexibility this deal offers would come in useful before the deadline. We might not see it now, but it could help fascilitate something much bigger. Murphy is nice, but as we have clearly seen, his value is not as high as pure cap-space.

Murphy is vastly under rated! There is a reason for it... Part of it is that he is seen as a soft player who doesn't play defense. He may not be the best defensive PF in the NBA, but the guy gives you 14 points, 10 rbs and 40% 3pt shooting. I don't know if anyolne in the NBA can give you that. I thik if Cleveland had traded Big Z to the Pacers for Murph they would have won the Title!

[Jackson Jiggle]

^^ I like the Okafor + Collison better.
Okafor would complement Hibbert's game and he would not be heavily relied upon as a scorer, meaning he could just focus on defense and rebounding.
Collison is intriguing, and could very well be a starter with the Pacers.

If Paul Is leaving the Hornets they will not deal off Collison.

They wont't deal collison, and Okafor and Hibbert would do awful togetther, because both play mostly in the paint. We need a tough pf who has nice range to 18-20 feet than can play more in the pinch post, or the elbows.

[Moooose]

^^ I like the Okafor + Collison better.
Okafor would complement Hibbert's game and he would not be heavily relied upon as a scorer, meaning he could just focus on defense and rebounding.
Collison is intriguing, and could very well be a starter with the Pacers.

If Paul Is leaving the Hornets they will not deal off Collison.

They wont't deal collison, and Okafor and Hibbert would do awful togetther, because both play mostly in the paint. We need a tough pf who has nice range to 18-20 feet than can play more in the pinch post, or the elbows.

I beg to differ. We already have a ton of guys that has range, and that's our primary weapon.
Take a look at the Spurs' championship years wherein they got Robinson and Duncan manning the paint and perimeter guys like Jarrett Jackson, Sean Elliott, etc. who takes the outlet pass and drill threes. It's strength and defense we need in our frontcourt, not range.

[Boneman2]

It's strength and defense we need in our frontcourt, not range.

I agree, strength and defense would offset Hibbert nicely imo, but I have since cooled on acquiring Emeka.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Murphy is underrated? He scores 14 a game and gives up atleast 25. Who was the last team that won a championship because one of their startin bigs was a good 3pt shooter? It doesn't happen very often. Players like Murphy hurt your chances of winnin, not help them.

[Jackson Jiggle]

I agree toughness is something we need inside especially on defense. But offensively they are redundant. If Okafor could hit a spot up jumper then they could play well together. But I think he is unable to do that. If this trade were to happen, I guess we could try it out and see how it worked, but I just dont think it would be good for either player.