A small trade thought with Portland...

enetric · Post #1 » by **enetric** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:02 pm

Most trades are about opportunity. I had a thought about something I would do that isnt about need...its about just that...opportunity. While we are stacked with swingmen....couldnt help notice that Rudy Fernandez look like he has to be traded at this point.

Personally? I would deal Lee for him. I think most of us rank Lee lower on our list of perimeter players. They make about the same salary...Lee about 100K more. I think Fernandez is a slight upgrade with more upside...and adds a better overall prospect. Portland getting Lee for him with all the public fallout...I would expect them to take that offer. its fair without them in a bad spot...I think its take it and run with what's happening.

Thoughts?

jeff1624 · Post #2 » by **jeff1624** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:07 pm

I'd do it but I'd trade lee for a bag of skittles. I've never been a fan of his and I really don't think he'll be better than he is now.

He would fit in with Portland. they could use him as a spot shooter next to Miller and Roy. And fernandez at this point needs a change of scenery.

With the addition of Morrow, Farmar and Outlaw.. Lee had become extremely dispensable.

mikhailjordan · Post #3 » by **mikhailjordan** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:10 pm

Come on E, Lee is much better than Fernadnez...

enetric · Post #4 » by **enetric** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:19 pm

Was that a JOKE????? You really believe that Mik?

I think slightly more of Lee than Jeff does. I think he was unfair but he admitted it. I would hold out for something decent like...a bag of Dale and Thomas Popcorn. Skittles was setting the bar very low.

But I think Rudy showed some nice promise there for a while. I think he is in a bad situation at this point.

SpeedyG · Post #5 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:37 pm

Not to sure what to think of Fernandez really. Lee, at the very least to me, looks like a capable starter on a championship caliber team (surrounded by real talent). He was that in Orlando the year they went to the Finals.

Rudy, right now, I'm led to believe is stil living off the hype he got in Europe. He might be a fantastic Euro-league player, but I don't know that I consider him much of an upgrade from Courtney. Defensively, I don't think there's a question who the better player is, and that's Lee.

Offensively, you would think Fernandez has the edge, but looking at his stats, I don't know. In two years, he's not shot over 43% from the field (highest is .425), with over half his attempts being three-point shots. And his stats across the board are just ok. He hasn't cracked 3 rpg, doesn't seem to be a great playmaker, or a difference maker. Physically, he hasn't matured a bit since he got into the league, making me wonder if this is going to be what his body will look like (he's already 25 years old).

Lee on the other hand, has never shot below 43%, even in last year's waaay up and down season where he was probably forced to do more than he should have. Then again, his playmaking and difference maker skills is lacking as well.

If it's between these two guys, I think I'd rather stick with Lee and give him another shot, and just kind of throw him a bone about last season given he spent much of it shell-shocked from being traded. Then again, I don't know that Courtney wants to be part of the Nets long-term, so if I really get that vibe from him, then I'd make the deal.

tester551 · Post #6 » by **tester551** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:39 pm

How about a Camby trade?

Camby for Lee, cap space, & late 1st round pick (don't you own Orlando's 2011 pick?)

mikhailjordan · Post #7 » by **mikhailjordan** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:44 pm

I'm dead serious.

Rudy is a better passer, has more range on his three-pointers, and overall is slightly more efficient offensively but defensively the two can't be compared.

Fernadnez is Zoran Planin-ish on defense.

A lot of people are down on Lee because of how he started last year but after a slow start he really picked things up after the all-star break. It took time for Lee to settle into his role but I think it should go without saying that when he first came to the Nets he was shell-shocked and that affected his play in the early going...

*Note: I'm not even going to touching chemistry issues other than saying that Fernandez is a prima donna who doesn't take responsibility for his own failures. It's always someone else's fault with him.

*Note: I'm with Speedy, Rudy is still living off his Euro-hype in regards to his "potential"

enetric · Post #8 » by **enetric** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:50 pm

POrtland fans loved him year one. Not the hype...the reality. Loved what they saw.

You guys are entitled to like Lee more than I do....and not think as much of Rudy. But I think its a low risk move for a guy with much more upside.

Lamak · Post #9 » by **Lamak** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:40 am

Fernandz wants to go back to Europe. Maybe a change of scenery to the Nets would make him happy.

SpeedyG · Post #10 » by **SpeedyG** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:33 am

enetric wrote:POrtland fans loved him year one. Not the hype...the reality. Loved what they saw.

You guys are entitled to like Lee more than I do....and not think as much of Rudy. But I think its a low risk move for a guy with much more upside.

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They sure don't love him now. Hell, they had more nice things to say about Outlaw than Fernandez.

NVM...saw you already posted in that same thread.

60cent · Post #11 » by **60cent** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:51 am

I think it would be a fair trade. I like Rudy's skills and energy. Your might be right, i think he may like it here and i think he didnt get a lot of chances to show what he really can do in Portland. I really think with a better disciplinary coach like Avery he can fix his game as well. But... If i have to choose right now... I think i'd go along with Mik because my priority right now in that position is a player that can really play defense and CLee hustles a lot and not a bad offensive player as well. So yeah, i wont cry if we make that trade because Rudy might become a player here and i like mire excitement but i would just simply prefer to have CLee because im sure that he will bring defense, hustle and a little toughness to our team and he may contribute more offensively this time. Just like what Speedy said, he had a good second half last year and this time im hoping he can be more consistent the whole year.

vincecarter4pres · Post #12 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:28 am

I wouldn't be heartbroken if this went down, but I think Lee is absolutely the better player and has better trade value by far.

enetric · Post #13 » by **enetric** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:08 am

SpeedyG wrote:
enetric wrote:POrtland fans loved him year one. Not the hype...the reality. Loved what they saw.

You guys are entitled to like Lee more than I do....and not think as much of Rudy. But I think its a low risk move for a guy with much more upside.

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1038626

They sure don't love him now. Hell, they had more nice things to say about Outlaw than Fernandez.

NVM...saw you already posted in that same thread.

Yeah...well now he is the whinny bitch who wants out of town. Look through a fair number of threads and and there are a few fans there who keep reminding the rest how much love they had for him on the court. He has regressed and not fit in there. He needs a fresh start is my point. And btw...Lee....better with the Magic or with us? I wasnt too impressed last year. Seems like a good swap of 1.2 mil contract SG's to me.

enetric · Post #14 » by **enetric** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:22 am

I guess I am not as impressed with C.Lee as some of you. I saw glimpses of Rudy that impressed me. Didnt feel that way at all with Lee last season. I think he is a decent prospect...living off his run with the Magic. For me? He ranks after...in no particular order....

Devin
Farmar
Twill
Outlaw
Morrow
D.James

...among perimiter players on this roster. That leaves Ross and Uzoh should he make the team. I do happen to feel Rudy would be a better prospect for future deals should he get a legit chance...but hey that's just me. Sure Rudy's value is low right now...no doubt. I dont think we could get him for Lee if it wasnt.

And all this defense talk? Lee is a medicore athlete who is NOT this great defensive player. Rudy doesnt play much D...but he is a great athlete. The guy can create his own shot which Lee with his complete lack of a handle cannot do. I just think he is a glaringly better talent than Lee. I dont think its close if both were given the same opportunity.

vincecarter4pres · Post #15 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:34 am

enetric wrote:I guess I am not as impressed with C.Lee as some of you.

I'm not that impressed with Lee, I guess that tells you how unimpressed and disappointed I am with Rudy.

I think Lee can be a Raja Bell clone.
I think Rudy can be a starter... in Europe... or on a lotto bound team devoid of talent and accountability.

crazykidd2k6 · Post #16 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:48 pm

I like Rudy a lot better than Lee. Lee is a starter but, not on a championship contending team. The Magic playing in the finals while Lee is starting doesn't mean anything. The fact that he is a starter is because he does everything efficiently. Yet, he is very inconsistent offensively and not superb on anything he does. Also I don't see any comparison between him and Bell. I actually think they are the opposite type of players. Bell being more a physical defender and Lee being more of a position defender. I can see Lee being compared to a worst version of Kittles.

As for Rudy, I see him being as not a starter but a sixth man. However, I still believe he will have more a value on a team than Lee. Rudy is an all-around better player offensively and plays with more energy and confidence. Only thing that is holding him down is his small and weak frame. Also, I see Rudy being compared to a less creative version of Manu.

vincecarter4pres · Post #17 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:59 pm

I don't see the Manu comparisons.
I think that's the stereotypical one to make because he's a white Euro with a similar physical look.

Two guys I see being more like Manu are James Harden and Terrence Williams.

Rockice_8 · Post #18 » by **Rockice_8** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:37 pm

No way I do that, Rudy is too one dimentional (shooter) and a whiner it seems. No playing time and he's starts crying about it maybe he should play some D and earn it. Lee's defense is what separates him from other guys like Rudy and Morrow. He isn't a lights out shooter but let's give him a chance in a good system where I think he will thrive.

Stop trying to make a move just for the sake of making a move. That does nothing to solve our jam so why do it, especially for a lesser player. I sware Lee is the poster boy for bashing on this team. The guy is the ultimate glue guy for a team we just need to put better players around him, which I think we did.

I'm calling it right now

15 ppg
4 rbs
3.5 apg
2 spg
47% FG
38% 3pt

and lockdown D. He is our best defender by far.

vincecarter4pres · Post #19 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:53 pm

^^I don't know where you're getting those assist #'s from, he's a terrible playmaker and average passer and 2 steals would be nice, but that's up league leader type #'s, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

jeff1624 · Post #20 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:21 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:^^I don't know where you're getting those assist #'s from, he's a terrible playmaker and average passer and 2 steals would be nice, but that's up league leader type #'s, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I don't either. I sincerely believe that he has the worst court vision in the NBA at the 2 spot. He's horrendous when he tries create a play. He either dribbles around like a headless chicken, ultimately giving it to brook or Devin with 3 seconds left on the clock or he takes it to the hole and misses badly.