The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[SJSF]

2 things. One size matters. PG's are great. BUt big men win championships. And the other thing. Looking at that lineup last year. It was obvious it wasn't going to work.

[HartfordWhalers]

I am amazed at the outrage that some have over an off season where they move Sammy for quality pieces, replace the coach that everyone hated with one that 99% of the public respects, and drafted a big guard who won nearly every award available to him last year.

The Sixers have retained the same young players who were part of the team that showed so much promise prior to last season. They have better depth across the front line than they have had in years. They have nice length/talent in the backcourt with a lot of room for growth. Lastly, they have about $10 million in expiring deals that may be attractive in a trade deadline deal. Given the position they've been in for years, they are actually in a position where there is some promise for the near/long term future. There still are some tweaks to make, but they have had a very good offseason.

Very few people recently have called Nocioni a quality piece over the last two seasons particularly at his salary, and most of Sac fans felt Hawes was a bust they were happy to move. And it would have been close to 23 million in expirings otherwise. Nocioni/Hawes could definitely turn it around/step it up in which case it will look very good. But I wouldn't describe it as getting quality pieces as above; more like an open gamble, and one that took away cap flexibility.

Regardless, there is no reason for a GM change based on this offseason, which has been very good in general.

[doctor him]

SixersPR READ THIS. It is borderline ARROGANT to think the fans will settle for this inactivity after watching that terrible season and being stuck in mediocrity since Larry Brown left.

Stefanski, get in your office and WORK.

/rant.

I'm all for reactionary anger. This team was painful to watch last season and the malpractice done by the owners, front office and coaching staff was borderline criminal.

And I too in "Decision Summer" would love to see my squad with the splashy headline.

But...this team has done a lot.

1. Replaced Jordan with Collins
2. Stumbled into Turner
3. Sent Dalembert away for Hawes/Nocioni
4. Brought in Battie

That's all a nice start of a rebuild. Next step is to let the coach come into camp and really see what he has and what he needs. Collins has some major work to do in rehabbing the games/images of the entire roster save Holiday. He needs the opportunity to have some semblance stability to understand how to piece this together.

So...I get not knee jerking a trade for Iguodala or Young.

Because no matter what they do...they can't win or lose another game for about 3 months.

[ZzAzZ]

I agree, we kind of made a lot of moves for not having played a game yet. At this point we will be building on changes that we aren't even sure are the right ones right now.

[Foshan]

While I think more moves need to be made, i'd be content waiting a bit, even till the deadline.

[sweetlou23]

While I think more moves need to be made, i'd be content waiting a bit, even till the deadline.

Agreed. Collins needs a chance to evaluate the players he has and how they fit together so that he can make informed decisions about who to keep, who to move and who to go after. Im sure that by the end of training camp he will have a better handle on the current roster. Obviously if you get a chance to grab a star you do it. But it makes sense to show some patience and make the right decisions.

[SJSF]

I am amazed at the outrage that some have over an off season where they move Sammy for quality pieces, replace the coach that everyone hated with one that 99% of the public respects, and drafted a big guard who won nearly every award available to him last year.

The Sixers have retained the same young players who were part of the team that showed so much promise prior to last season. They have better depth across the front line than they have had in years. They have nice length/talent in the backcourt with a lot of room for growth. Lastly, they have about $10 million in expiring deals that may be attractive in a trade deadline deal. Given the position they've been in for years, they are actually in a position where there is some promise for the near/long term future. There still are some tweaks to make, but they have had a very good offseason.

My only concern with having the 10m in deals. Is that i highly doubt the team is going to do anything with it except let it go. With the CBA ending and no one knowing what the hard cap is going to be. I don't see the SIxers adding payroll when they can easily subtract it. With 48m guaranteed for 2011 and us picking up the contracts of Jrue and Speights which are no brainers. It will bring us to 52m. And that is with not resigning Thad and Hawes. I see the hard cap being in the 65m range. And this team is certainly going to get another 1st rounder which will be a few million more. I don't see us trading Green and Kapono for a salary dump for another player.


This is why i am so for unloading Squiggy. His 13m is money that could be used for an impact player.

[shadowTerp]

This has got to be one of the best offseasons the sixers have had in years and people are still calling for Stefanski's bald head. Im not a fan of his body of work, but he hasnt done anything wrong this offseason. And I dont think the sixers care enough about the 10,000 fans who come to watch their games to spend big money this offseason. This team is being rounded out right now, not overhauled.

This (although getting #2 was just plain luck).

We had the worst coach we could have had last season when you factor the team's strengths and weaknesses. It was a colossal mistake by Stefanski. But, for whatever reason, management decided that wasn't a fire-able offense. I don't think anyone's in love with our roster for this upcoming season. We don't have any veteran PGs or any defensive bigs. We have only one true center on the roster and too many PFs. However, it doesn't REALLY matter, because the Sixers are competing for the 6-7-spot at best and no one has second-round aspirations.

The Sixers haven't had a good coach for at least a season and a half and that's only if count Cheeks as a good coach. Let's see how Collins, who most regard as a good coach, works with a young roster (8 guys < 24) that across the board underachieved or was injured last season. Once we know what pieces we have, then perhaps we'll do something.

[PhillyFan]

I am amazed at the outrage that some have over an off season where they move Sammy for quality pieces, replace the coach that everyone hated with one that 99% of the public respects, and drafted a big guard who won nearly every award available to him last year.

The Sixers have retained the same young players who were part of the team that showed so much promise prior to last season. They have better depth across the front line than they have had in years. They have nice length/talent in the backcourt with a lot of room for growth. Lastly, they have about $10 million in expiring deals that may be attractive in a trade deadline deal. Given the position they've been in for years, they are actually in a position where there is some promise for the near/long term future. There still are some tweaks to make, but they have had a very good offseason.

My only concern with having the 10m in deals. Is that i highly doubt the team is going to do anything with it except let it go. With the CBA ending and no one knowing what the hard cap is going to be. I don't see the SIxers adding payroll when they can easily subtract it. With 48m guaranteed for 2011 and us picking up the contracts of Jrue and Speights which are no brainers. It will bring us to 52m. And that is with not resigning Thad and Hawes. I see the hard cap being in the 65m range. And this team is certainly going to get another 1st rounder which will be a few million more. I don't see us trading Green and Kapono for a salary dump for another player.


This is why i am so for unloading Squiggy. His 13m is money that could be used for an impact player.

What other 1st options exactly do you know get paid 13 mil a year (excluding rookie contracts)?

[tk76]

IMO Stefanski should not be fired based on any of the decisions he has made this off-season.

He should be fired however, based on the outcome of his 3 years of failed stewardship. I can't think of any other lousy NBA teams who are also weighed down for 3 more years with cap busting contracts. Not only has Stefanski failed to make a young playoff team into a winner, but he has taken a team with tremendous initial flexibility and wedded them to 50M+ guaranteed contracts for then next 3 seasons.

IMO Stefanski is too invested in rehabilitating his failed decisions to be able to make the dramatic moves necessary to rehabilitate this team. This summer will involve more roster turnover and more chances at major overhaul than any other season in recent history. Now is a chance to remake your franchise. But Stefanski is paralyzed by job insecurity. he knows that even a small step back costs him his job. And yet the right move could be a step back for a year to open up chances for a brighter future.

[Foshan]

I can't think of any other lousy NBA teams who are also weighed down for 3 more years with cap busting contracts.

i think you could argue Detroit is by far in worse shape than we are for the forsee-able future. GSW have a lot of money tied up in Lee/Beidrins/Monta... which isn't worth much (imo). Bucks/Cha have a bunch of pretty crappy deals, though their coaches are getting the most out of most of those players.

Sorry, just a couple that popped into my head. I'd rather be in our shoes than those teams pretty easily.

[sweetlou23]

IMO Stefanski should not be fired based on any of the decisions he has made this off-season.

He should be fired however, based on the outcome of his 3 years of failed stewardship. I can't think of any other lousy NBA teams who are also weighed down for 3 more years with cap busting contracts. Not only has Stefanski failed to make a young playoff team into a winner, but he has taken a team with tremendous initial flexibility and wedded them to 50M+ guaranteed contracts for then next 3 seasons.

IMO Stefanski is too invested in rehabilitating his failed decisions to be able to make the dramatic moves necessary to rehabilitate this team. This summer will involve more roster turnover and more chances at major overhaul than any other season in recent history. Now is a chance to remake your franchise. But Stefanski is paralyzed by job insecurity. he knows that even a small step back costs him his job. And yet the right move could be a step back for a year to open up chances for a brighter future.

Its kind of late to fire stephanski. who would you bring in?

[tk76]

Really don't know much about the GM options. Thorn and Pritchard have better track records.

Really, anyone who seems to get the notion that a team without superstars can't compete and is not worth building around. Building around Iguodala/Brand (accounting for 60% of he teams cap) is a failed foundation.

[corwin]

IMO Stefanski should not be fired based on any of the decisions he has made this off-season.

He should be fired however, based on the outcome of his 3 years of failed stewardship. I can't think of any other lousy NBA teams who are also weighed down for 3 more years with cap busting contracts. Not only has Stefanski failed to make a young playoff team into a winner, but he has taken a team with tremendous initial flexibility and wedded them to 50M+ guaranteed contracts for then next 3 seasons.

IMO Stefanski is too invested in rehabilitating his failed decisions to be able to make the dramatic moves necessary to rehabilitate this team. This summer will involve more roster turnover and more chances at major overhaul than any other season in recent history. Now is a chance to remake your franchise. But Stefanski is paralyzed by job insecurity. he knows that even a small step back costs him his job. And yet the right move could be a step back for a year to open up chances for a brighter future.

Well stated. Stefanski has failed miserably in completing a competitive team, failed in properly evaluating Brand's injury before signing him, failed in not moving Miller, failed in putting Iguodala into the position as the star of the team, and failed monumentally in hiring Eddie Jordan. He is now the poster boy for lame ducks. Now if Collins is making the player personnel decisions, then Ed can sit in his chair for the rest of the year. But, with significant moves being needed, Ed is simply too neutered to be able to make the decisions & opportunities to improve the team in the long run will be missed due to his status. Unfortunately, whether it was his contract, his personal relationship with Snider or perhaps the fact that the Flyers went deep into the playoffs (Snider was focused on them) we don't know. But what we do know is that he is playing it safe, i.e. waiting to get overwhelmed with an offer for Iggy, Thad or whomever. It is not going to happen & we'll be looking at this same mess for the upcoming season.

[tk76]

I also think other GM's see Stefanski as vulnerable. That can't help him in negotiations.

[sweetlou23]

Isn't it kind backwards to fire him for the things he did last year when he seems to have made all of the right moves thus far in the off season? The time to fire him has past. It makes sense to keep him on a short leash and to fire him if things don't improve in the short term. just let him be a lame duck for now.

Also, I have always wondered how much influence Dileo has as director of player personnel. Is he in anyway culpable for the missteps of the sixers over the past few years?

[Sixerscan]

The Sixers fired King at a random time, like in November or something. I could see them doing something similar with Stefanski.

[pointguard86]

BK was fired on Dec. 4.

[Sixerscan]

I am amazed at the outrage that some have over an off season where they move Sammy for quality pieces, replace the coach that everyone hated with one that 99% of the public respects, and drafted a big guard who won nearly every award available to him last year.

The Sixers have retained the same young players who were part of the team that showed so much promise prior to last season. They have better depth across the front line than they have had in years. They have nice length/talent in the backcourt with a lot of room for growth. Lastly, they have about $10 million in expiring deals that may be attractive in a trade deadline deal. Given the position they've been in for years, they are actually in a position where there is some promise for the near/long term future. There still are some tweaks to make, but they have had a very good offseason.

Flip side of all this.

Dalembert was most likely traded because he is a jerk and the Sixers brass didn't want to deal with him anymore. It probably made us worse on the basketball court, and certainly negatively impacted the team's financial situation. It's funny that you say we have great depth in the front court, because honestly I think this is the worst frontcourt we've had in years. It's Brand and a couple stiffs and tweeners.

Stefanski hired Jordan. Collins hasn't won a playoff series since 1989.

Turner was a no brainer pick that fell into Stefanski's lap because (1) he did a horrible job assembling the team this past year and (2) he got lucky.

[tk76]

I can't think of any other lousy NBA teams who are also weighed down for 3 more years with cap busting contracts.

i think you could argue Detroit is by far in worse shape than we are for the forsee-able future. GSW have a lot of money tied up in Lee/Beidrins/Monta... which isn't worth much (imo). Bucks/Cha have a bunch of pretty crappy deals, though their coaches are getting the most out of most of those players.

Sorry, just a couple that popped into my head. I'd rather be in our shoes than those teams pretty easily.

Yoou are right. Not the greatest of company to be in.