Harris being shopped?

[BballFanAddict]

Heyas Nets' fans. A few questions for you guys.

First, what is your current PG depth? Is it Harris / Farmar?

Second, have you all heard anything about Harris being shopped?

We are hearing minor rumblings that Portland and NJ are in, or were in, discussion to make a trade revolving around Harris going to Portland. Harris being the only piece I have heard mentioned.

Honestly, unless a 3rd team is involved I am not seeing how this could work. Not unless the Nets want cap space in 11 - 12 again. Because Miller would be the only true PG (has a team option for 11-12 season) that Portland could offer.

Again, seems unlikely that the two teams are good trading partners, but I am curious to hear what you all think.

[vincecarter4pres]

Andre Miller and Batum for Harris please!

[demens]

Really? Add yet another perimeter player and an aging PG. No thanks.

Bball. Yes our pg depth is Harris/Farmar. The rumor you are talking about involved Aldridge and some other peaces, i dont remember exactly what else. The Nets were considering shopping Harris before the draft when there was a possibility they will get Wall. They were almost willing to part with him if Paul was brought in here some how. As far as any of us know, he is NOT being shopped.

[vincecarter4pres]

Batum isn't just another perimeter player. He would instantly be our best perimeter player with the potential to be special and the floor of a really top notch role player.

Kind of makes Outlaw redundant and expendable though, and with that contract of his I think he's going to be hard to move.

Demens, BTW, the draft day rumor I eventually heard as the official one was that Pritchard offered Aldridge for Harris and Favors and Thorn immediately declined the deal.

Maybe some Portland fans can clear that up?

[Dexmor]

Somebody said they weren't talking on the radio a Miiller Rudy deal for Harris but that makes no sense to me. Miller doesn't fit into the 5 year plan. He's to old. Also another wing? We would have to have another deal in place to trade another 2.

[enetric]

Batum isn't just another perimeter player. He would instantly be our best perimeter player with the potential to be special and the floor of a really top notch role player.

Kind of makes Outlaw redundant and expendable though, and with that contract of his I think he's going to be hard to move.

Demens, BTW, the draft day rumor I eventually heard as the official one was that Pritchard offered Aldridge for Harris and Favors and Thorn immediately declined the deal.

Maybe some Portland fans can clear that up?

The fact that Batum would make the Outlaw signing redundant is why I highly doubt it.

I would expect them to want size for Devin at this point as opposed to another swingman prospect. I know you think Batum has break out potential...we'll see if it happens this year.

And I am not too high on Aldridge these days. I felt he really stepped back last season from what I saw..so I am glad that rumor never happened. I would have prefered Granger by a country mile...the same package rumored around the draft.

[r3drumNYNJ]

I hope they dont trade Harris..I want to see what he can do under Avery at this time in his career. I dont think there is any truth to this rumor but you never know. Nets should probably trade one of their SGs tho for a backup PF just incase Favors needs more time to develop into a starter

[enetric]

I'll admit it. I have blinders for the PG spot. With Lebron gone from our picture...I have a one track CP3 mindset brewing. If moving Devin gets us closer to that I could care less if its in this deal or for additional cap space and more tradebale pieces. I really dont care.

As for Devin...if he is here? Its not really about Avery or stage of his career. Its about ONE thing and ONLY one thing. Can you stop being such a fragile PUSS???? The guy is about as durable as a wet tissue.

[jerseyjac]

I'll admit it. I have blinders for the PG spot. With Lebron gone from our picture...I have a one track CP3 mindset brewing. If moving Devin gets us closer to that I could care less if its in this deal or for additional cap space and more tradebale pieces. I really dont care.

As for Devin...if he is here? Its not really about Avery or stage of his career. Its about ONE thing and ONLY one thing. Can you stop being such a fragile PUSS???? The guy is about as durable as a wet tissue.

I'm not saying Devin is tough guy, a physical guy, he doesnt have the body nor the mentality, but i couldnt disagree more...the guy has taken some pretty nice shots and tried to play through them all last year...as far as durability, thats something you question in every player's career at one point or another...Its should be a questioned with Devin, but calling him a puss, I just dont see that...

[enetric]

I cal him a FRAGILE Puss...a guy who is as durable as wet tissue because its not at some point in his career...its at EVERY POINT IN HIS CAREER. Six seasons, hasnt broken 70 games played in four of them including the last 3 in a row. 83 games missed in those 6 seasons.

I mean what do you disagree with? Is he not the definition of fragile at this point? And its not just one freak injury and then he is back. Its constant. He misses games for such a wide variety of injuires, not just one tough break here and there. Plenty of them are nonsense. Things that absolutely speak to durability. Go through them....

Just last year. Back injury in April. Missed time for the dreaded upper respiratory infection in March. Injured left knee in February. Missed games for an injured left shoulder in February. Sprained right wrist....missed games late January, which was a "tweak" in December to a previous injury described as lingering tendinitis. Also in December...he took himself out of a game for...get ready now...a sprained pinkie. He did play through his eye injury in early December. And of course there was the dreaded groin injury that cost him the first 9 games of November. I was going to say thank god October only had 3 games...and he had one healthy month...but...the groin injury cost him the 31st of October too.

Preseason....the groin injury which lingered and two ankle injuries.

Lets go back ANOTHER year. Maybe there was just one injury here and there....

April 2009, missed time for a left shoulder injury. March missed time previously same injury. March nursed his way through a knee and a hamstring injury...and we found out he has something called sports induced asthma. The flu in February. Missed games in January for a rib injury...and the hamstring injury. December had the flu. Left a game in November for a tummy ache. Missed games early November..ankle injury.

Preseason...missed games for a back injury.

That's two years. Now the wide variety of things that has caused him to miss time is obvious. But what I would like to point out...NOT ONE OF THESE INJURIES WAS A BROKEN BONE, OR A SURGICAL MATTER LIKE A TORN ANYTHING. They were ALL...ticky tack...BS injuries. Sure...they can happen to anyone. But ALL OF THEM???? From head to toe.....its one thing after the next, after the next....and it forces him to miss time, month after month. One thing after the next.

No...I dont think calling him a FRAGILE PUSS was off. I think its pretty clear...it was DEAD ON. Still disagree? SOFT AS WET TISSUE PAPER. Man up!!!!! If you arent seriously hurt...get out there. Nursing every girly boo boo is the very definition of fragile. The good news is....he is young and hasnt had anything serious happen. The bad news is...the older you get the longer it takes your body to recover. If you arent tough enough at 22, or 25...what will you be at 28?

One more year like this...he will join the Cweb's, and Mamby Pamby, Camby's of the world. Ironically Camby has gotten more reliable as he got older...so who knows. Maybe there is hope for the fragile wet tissue boy.

[vincecarter4pres]

I really hope Rich Cho and Dell Demps aren't reading this thread.

[jerseyjac]

I cal him a FRAGILE Puss...a guy who is as durable as wet tissue because its not at some point in his career...its at EVERY POINT IN HIS CAREER. Six seasons, hasnt broken 70 games played in four of them including the last 3 in a row. 83 games missed in those 6 seasons.

I mean what do you disagree with? Is he not the definition of fragile at this point? And its not just one freak injury and then he is back. Its constant. He misses games for such a wide variety of injuires, not just one tough break here and there. Plenty of them are nonsense. Things that absolutely speak to durability. Go through them....

Just last year. Back injury in April. Missed time for the dreaded upper respiratory infection in March. Injured left knee in February. Missed games for an injured left shoulder in February. Sprained right wrist....missed games late January, which was a "tweak" in December to a previous injury described as lingering tendinitis. Also in December...he took himself out of a game for...get ready now...a sprained pinkie. He did play through his eye injury in early December. And of course there was the dreaded groin injury that cost him the first 9 games of November. I was going to say thank god October only had 3 games...and he had one healthy month...but...the groin injury cost him the 31st of October too.

Preseason....the groin injury which lingered and two ankle injuries.

Lets go back ANOTHER year. Maybe there was just one injury here and there....

April 2009, missed time for a left shoulder injury. March missed time previously same injury. March nursed his way through a knee and a hamstring injury...and we found out he has something called sports induced asthma. The flu in February. Missed games in January for a rib injury...and the hamstring injury. December had the flu. Left a game in November for a tummy ache. Missed games early November..ankle injury.

Preseason...missed games for a back injury.

That's two years. Now the wide variety of things that has caused him to miss time is obvious. But what I would like to point out...NOT ONE OF THESE INJURIES WAS A BROKEN BONE, OR A SURGICAL MATTER LIKE A TORN ANYTHING. They were ALL...ticky tack...BS injuries. Sure...they can happen to anyone. But ALL OF THEM???? From head to toe.....its one thing after the next, after the next....and it forces him to miss time, month after month. One thing after the next.

No...I dont think calling him a FRAGILE PUSS was off. I think its pretty clear...it was DEAD ON. Still disagree? SOFT AS WET TISSUE PAPER. Man up!!!!! If you arent seriously hurt...get out there. Nursing every girly boo boo is the very definition of fragile. The good news is....he is young and hasnt had anything serious happen. The bad news is...the older you get the longer it takes your body to recover. If you arent tough enough at 22, or 25...what will you be at 28?

One more year like this...he will join the Cweb's, and Mamby Pamby, Camby's of the world. Ironically Camby has gotten more reliable as he got older...so who knows. Maybe there is hope for the fragile wet tissue boy.

man there are days where I am screaming the exact same thing at the TV or when you I would hear he was sitting out again...but then there are the collisions at center court with Jarvis (which he was involved in few last year, it was like he was a magnet), or some really hard fouls around the basket, which he takes, mans up and goes to the line...

Injury prone fragile, no problem with that, but a puss...I dunno...he's taken a lot of lickings and wants to come back, I just dont think he is the type of player who plays WELL hurt...you wanna to call him a puss for that, I hear ya, I played hurt all the time in sports and excelled...Devin on the other hand just doesnt...and I think he knows it...

I think my point is, lets not confuse his injuries and the time it takes for him to come back or the fact that he doesnt play well hurt, with his toughness on the court...he has taken his fair share of charges and hard fouls around the basket where I feel he doesnt shy away from contact...for that reason, he's not an absolute pusss in my book...fragile, defintely...thats why Avery has him in the weight room to put some much needed muscle on that body...so eventually he can take some of those hards hits, withstand them and not get injured...

[enetric]

I really hope Rich Cho and Dell Demps aren't reading this thread.

You know what the funny part of this was???? When i read JJ's reply...I was thinking...OK...JJ just gave me one of those challenges to do "my thing" and go all out with reserch...and make one of these posts I am oh so famous for. And I am thinking as I am working for a couple of hours compling all this data, to really give the challenge he just threw me all its due...man...I sure hope this doesnt turn into some sort of source that causes us to be stuck with this guy!!!!

I actually...thought...email this to JJ instead...he will laugh, tell me I am nuts for doing all of that....but you know I couldnt resist, When I make homemade brownies...I have to share them with the entire class. Its just manners...ya know??? And a bit of bravado...lol (just a bit... )

[vincecarter4pres]

Have him forward it to me...

[enetric]

I cal him a FRAGILE Puss...a guy who is as durable as wet tissue because its not at some point in his career...its at EVERY POINT IN HIS CAREER. Six seasons, hasnt broken 70 games played in four of them including the last 3 in a row. 83 games missed in those 6 seasons.

I mean what do you disagree with? Is he not the definition of fragile at this point? And its not just one freak injury and then he is back. Its constant. He misses games for such a wide variety of injuires, not just one tough break here and there. Plenty of them are nonsense. Things that absolutely speak to durability. Go through them....

Just last year. Back injury in April. Missed time for the dreaded upper respiratory infection in March. Injured left knee in February. Missed games for an injured left shoulder in February. Sprained right wrist....missed games late January, which was a "tweak" in December to a previous injury described as lingering tendinitis. Also in December...he took himself out of a game for...get ready now...a sprained pinkie. He did play through his eye injury in early December. And of course there was the dreaded groin injury that cost him the first 9 games of November. I was going to say thank god October only had 3 games...and he had one healthy month...but...the groin injury cost him the 31st of October too.

Preseason....the groin injury which lingered and two ankle injuries.

Lets go back ANOTHER year. Maybe there was just one injury here and there....

April 2009, missed time for a left shoulder injury. March missed time previously same injury. March nursed his way through a knee and a hamstring injury...and we found out he has something called sports induced asthma. The flu in February. Missed games in January for a rib injury...and the hamstring injury. December had the flu. Left a game in November for a tummy ache. Missed games early November..ankle injury.

Preseason...missed games for a back injury.

That's two years. Now the wide variety of things that has caused him to miss time is obvious. But what I would like to point out...NOT ONE OF THESE INJURIES WAS A BROKEN BONE, OR A SURGICAL MATTER LIKE A TORN ANYTHING. They were ALL...ticky tack...BS injuries. Sure...they can happen to anyone. But ALL OF THEM???? From head to toe.....its one thing after the next, after the next....and it forces him to miss time, month after month. One thing after the next.

No...I dont think calling him a FRAGILE PUSS was off. I think its pretty clear...it was DEAD ON. Still disagree? SOFT AS WET TISSUE PAPER. Man up!!!!! If you arent seriously hurt...get out there. Nursing every girly boo boo is the very definition of fragile. The good news is....he is young and hasnt had anything serious happen. The bad news is...the older you get the longer it takes your body to recover. If you arent tough enough at 22, or 25...what will you be at 28?

One more year like this...he will join the Cweb's, and Mamby Pamby, Camby's of the world. Ironically Camby has gotten more reliable as he got older...so who knows. Maybe there is hope for the fragile wet tissue boy.

man there are days where I am screaming the exact same thing at the TV or when you I would hear he was sitting out again...but then there are the collisions at center court with Jarvis (which he was involved in few last year, it was like he was a magnet), or some really hard fouls around the basket, which he takes, mans up and goes to the line...

Injury prone fragile, no problem with that, but a puss...I dunno...he's taken a lot of lickings and wants to come back, I just dont think he is the type of player who plays WELL hurt...you wanna to call him a puss for that, I hear ya, I played hurt all the time in sports and excelled...Devin on the other hand just doesnt...and I think he knows it...

I think my point is, lets not confuse his injuries and the time it takes for him to come back or the fact that he doesnt play well hurt, with his toughness on the court...he has taken his fair share of charges and hard fouls around the basket where I feel he doesnt shy away from contact...for that reason, he's not an absolute pusss in my book...fragile, defintely...thats why Avery has him in the weight room to put some much needed muscle on that body...so eventually he can take some of those hards hits, withstand them and not get injured...

I understand what you are saying. YOu took my use of the word PUSS that I was implying he PLAYS soft. I wasnt so I get your beef. He doesnt avoid contact or anything like that.

He is just a walking book of nonsense injuries that he cant play through. So I am challenging his manhood on how fragile he is. Everyone in the NBA gets nagging injuries. No one ever feels good. He just seems to constantly miss a large chunk of games, and then has off the bench games...then has working himself into shape games, followed by a couple of great games....finally declared ready to go...wait...OOOPS another injury...wash, rinse repeat.

Just frustated with him. I cant listen to these reasons to fear a superstud like Paul when THIS is our starting PG. Healthy, and 100%...he is a very good player. Not great...but very good. If he stays with us...its a make or break season for him. I really dont think his trade value can sustain one more season like this. He needs to turn it around the way VC did when he came to the Nets. VC stil had the Wince Carter face on every single play and looked like he was about to die with every foul....but with us? HE PLAYED. Time for Devin to do the same. Just play man.

Ya big bag of wet tissues...lol

[jerseyjac]

valid point...Devin's injuries has hindered his career somewhat. I can understand the arguement for Paul, but we all know he has the more the serious/career nagging or threatening injury to really be concerned with. But looking at it from that angle, you take a chance knowing Devin's track record, for the better point guard...I have to admit, this is still not the atypical enetric plan for building a Nets championship, but I know your a Chris Paul fan, and you obviously hope he becomes Kidd as far as his recovery from this injury (despite any differences)...

[enetric]

Very good observatin my friend. It is NOT my typical plan. And yes....I have gone on record already with my man crush for Paul. I have admitted it. Besides Lebron no one I trully love more among the current elite. And you know what? Kidd is the reason. SPOILED at the first hand observations for a PG who can be THAT good.

But the other part of this...while I am impressed Lebron made the move he made...and didnt think any of these money sucking, narcistic prima donna would ever do what he did and be willing to take the arrows from all directions, share the spotlight in some other stars market, give up millions, take a hit to stats....the bottom line is he did. And while I am not convinced that team with its 95 year old supporting cast of guys who all smell like ben gay...can contend in year one...I am aware that it will be dominating the EC for the next 8 years should they stay healthy.

Am I prepared for an 11 year rebuild????? Is there even such a thing in a league that turns over its rosters every three years? We can grumble about the Heat all we want. But at the end of the day...the landscape has changed in a way I dont think any of us really thought would happen. SO that forces any reasonable person to rethink what to do next.

So yeah...I am challenging myself to think outside the box because the damn box changed in a way we have nver seen before. I am now thinking with a team like that around....and Brooklyn looming...if we want to reall be seen a future big market team...make moves to set that up right.

Favors is honestly my only hesitation. Do I think we are looking at futre 20-20's? At the next great NBA big man? It is my only hesitation.

[Netaman]

Great post e - couldn't agree more. Kidd showed that a truly elite player makes every single aspect of your team better - and with a player like that you can win any time you step on the court. There are so few of those guys out there you take what you can get and if we can't have the next "shaq" "mj" "duncan" or whoever else ill gladly take the a guy on that next level down a la olajuwon and try to compete with the great teams and maybe steal 1 championship. Boston and det winning both got harware without a player as good as paul.

Like you trading favors is my 1 holdup. That and cp3's knees