An insult to Brook? Or is it a wake-up call?

BasketCase1 · Post #1 » by **BasketCase1** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:44 pm

This is from NBA.com, a report written by John Schuhmann. Here is a small excerpt:

Where Lopez fits in is unclear. Without Stoudemire, Lee and his brother Robin, it was assumed by some that Lopez was a lock to make the team as the most skilled center left. But his skills don't necessarily match what Krzyzewski is looking for.

"We don't need our big guys to be scorers," the coach said Tuesday. "We need our big guys to be shot-blockers, rebounders and screeners."
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So my question to you guys is, do you think Brook possibly not making the team despite being the most skilled center on the team a complete joke? Do you think Mike is an idiot for impyling that Brook can't be relied on as a rebounder, blocking shots, and creating screens? Or is there some truth to the statement and Brook should take it as a wakeup call and work on his game alot more?

Link to the story is http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/john_schuhmann/07/23/usa.centers/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Talentfull · Post #2 » by **Talentfull** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:04 pm

Even though it said Lopez got his weight back in that article he still looks skinny as hell. If he doesn't make the team...the man need to take some time, hit the gym and load up on some protein shakes or something.

I still think Lopez is probably gonna make it though if they're looking for 2 true centers that is. Tyson Chandler is a lock and Lopez should be the other pick over McGee because it's not like Lopez is the worst defender in the world. His rebounding could be better but he's pretty good at shot-blocking and screening. It says he's suffering from conditioning issues though, so I can see why he might not. Either way, wouldn't bother me if he doesn't make it. Maybe he can use that as extra motivation to get himself back into tip top shape.

demens · Post #3 » by **demens** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:38 pm

Its definitely a wake up call. For Brook and for his fan boys (99% of Nets fans). This has nothing to do with his weight or getting over his sickness, the kid regressed as a rebounder and a shot blocker last season.

Being the most "skilled" is not good enough, i dont give a **** if he is a great free throw shooter for a 7 footer, that that he scored 19 points at age 22 on a 12 win team. Listen to the criticism and learn from it, dont just close your eyes and pretend like this guy is the best, he is far FAR from it. Everyone was throwing the fact that Brook got an invite to team USA as proof of his greatness, and now he might be cut over Tyson freaking Chandler.

Lopez the most "skilled", Twitt the most "dynamic" yet the team blows. Wake up, these guys are not as good as you think.

mikhailjordan · Post #4 » by **mikhailjordan** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:35 pm

Since when is Lopez not a good shot-blocker and screener? :lol:

Doesn't make any sense unless he's not 100%.

Natebizzy127 · Post #5 » by **Natebizzy127** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:48 pm

OVER-REACTION.....Coach K never said anything bad about Brook or his game...So what exactly is the "wake-up" call ??? Brook will be fine and if he doesnt make the team so what........but in all honesty I believe he makes the team..his talent level far exceeds chandler and mcgee...and news flash he avereaged 1.7 blockes per game....thats just fine...rebounding yea we all agree his rebounding numbers dropped during the 2nd half of season...but take into account everything that happened last season...injuries by other key players...piss poor coaching...diff starting lineups..nothing was consistent....but he still managed to avg 18 and 8 2nd year...he will progress and get better

BROOK WILL BE FINE....and stop ripping brook and t-will....both players will be better next season...are you a true nets fan???

BasketCase1 · Post #6 » by **BasketCase1** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:17 pm

Natebizzy127 wrote:OVER-REACTION.....Coach K never said anything bad about Brook or his game...So what exactly is the "wake-up" call ??? Brook will be fine and if he doesnt make the team so what........but in all honesty I believe he makes the team..his talent level far exceeds chandler and mcgee...and news flash he avereaged 1.7 blockes per game....thats just fine...rebounding yea we all agree his rebounding numbers dropped during the 2nd half of season...but take into account everything that happened last season...injuries by other key players...piss poor coaching...diff starting lineups..nothing was consistent....but he still managed to avg 18 and 8 2nd year...he will progress and get better

BROOK WILL BE FINE....and stop ripping brook and t-will....both players will be better next season...are you a true nets fan???

I'm assuming your reply is towards demens post, correct?

vincecarter4pres · Post #7 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:22 pm

Demens may become the first poster I have EVER put on ignore. :-?

r3drumNYNJ · Post #8 » by **r3drumNYNJ** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:44 pm

I think Brook is a top 3 center in the league after Howard and a healthy Yao Ming. He needs to get tougher. He may still be out of it because he lost some weight but he should make the team. If he doesn't I agree that he should work on getting his weight up and getting stronger

Natebizzy127 · Post #9 » by **Natebizzy127** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:13 pm

Yes the USA team would be a valuable experience for brook...but honestly I'm more concerned about the start of the regular season....by that time his weight..strength..and muscle should be back on....yes I was talkin about demens on my last post....cuz imo he doesn't show any type of interest in the team and it's best players...just imo...

Natebizzy127 · Post #10 » by **Natebizzy127** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:14 pm

Yes the USA team would be a valuable experience for brook...but honestly I'm more concerned about the start of the regular season....by that time his weight..strength..and muscle should be back on....yes I was talkin about demens on my last post....cuz imo he doesn't show any type of interest in the team and it's best players...just imo...

demens · Post #11 » by **demens** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:06 pm

Lopez looked pretty crappy out there. 0 (or 1) rebound in 13, doubt he makes this team, would have been good for him.

S.I.C. GM · Post #12 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:02 pm

I dont think it is a wake up call.

I think If he gets cut, another chip on his shoulders with something to prove.

He is still young. He will be a better rebounder and he is already a good shot blocker.

God Squad · Post #13 » by **God Squad** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:27 am

demens wrote:Lopez looked pretty crappy out there. 0 (or 1) rebound in 13, doubt he makes this team, would have been good for him.

Ouch.. pretty crappy game. Yeah I used to like Brook a lot when he was at Stanford. Even his rookie season. Last season not so much. Still a great player. But I understand Coach K. Tyson is by far the better pick for there situation.

S.I.C. GM · Post #14 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:04 pm

I guess Tyreke Evans, O.J. Mayo and Gerald Wallace should be insulted and need wake up calls too.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/27/evan ... -team-usa/

demens · Post #15 » by **demens** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:14 pm

Expect Tyreke Evans, OJ Mayo, and Wallace play positions that are stacked on team USA and are not being cut for borderline scrubs like Tyson Chandler or Javale McGee.

mikhailjordan · Post #16 » by **mikhailjordan** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:26 pm

I'm not sure I like these cuts, other than the Tyreke Evans one.

Mayo is very similar to Eric Gordon but defensively when he applies himself he's much better. So if you're going to implement a full court press at time I'd much rather have him... I also thought G-Wall could have been an x-factor he has athleticism that can't be matched by the other teams in the tournament.

He'd be devastating at power forward for Team USA... The U.S. has a HUGE advantage in athleticism it's a little concerning to see them throw it away like this. You should want guys looking to throw it down every play not make a finesse move around the basket like Kevin Love...

demens · Post #17 » by **demens** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:34 pm

Wallace is very overrated, i was expecting him to be cut. Mayo getting cut before Gordon is surprising though. I think Gordon will get cut after NY anyway. McGee should be the 4th cut before NY. Total of 4 guys of the list need to be cut i have no idea who the other 2 will be. I'm thinking 1 of Gay or Granger wont make it. And the last cut will either be Brook, or 1 of the PGs

Centers: JaVale McGee, Brook Lopez, and Tyson Chandler
Forwards: Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Kevin Love, Odom, Rudy Gay, Danny Granger, Andre Iguodala
Guards: Chauncey Billups, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Stephen Curry, Eric Gordon

Post #18 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:53 pm

What we have to realize is Olympic Basketball is a lot like the college game, which is why Coach K is actually good at this. He's right in saying that they don't need stars, they need players to fulfill certain roles. Olympic and NCAA basketball is much more of a team sport, where players fit specific needs for a team, compared to the NBA, which is a star's game. Why do you think Kobe loved the opportunity to just play defense and not worry about anything else in '08? Chris Bosh played center more effectively for us than Dwight Howard because he was a bit more agile which plays more to the international style of basketball that is in the Olympics. You only have to fulfill certain roles in the Olympics and college. Why do you think there are guys that are excellent college players (Christian Laettner, Danny Manning for example) that don't do well in the NBA? They are really good at one or two things but not at the things needed to be an NBA star.

This relates to Lopez because Lopez is a good NBA center but Team USA only needs him to be a rebounder, screener, and shot blocker. The points that he scores aren't needed on Team USA even though we need him to do that for the Nets. Personally, I think Lopez does set good screens but you have to agree that if there's anything that Chandler does well, it's setting pick and rolls which turn into alley-oops. That happened all of the time in NOH with CP3. Chandler also eats up boards and blocks shots. That's why he's more of a fit on the Olympic Team. I definitely agree with everyone that Lopez needs get better at rebounding but I don't see this as a sound-off warning or alarm. NBA and Olympic/NCAA basketball are two different types of basketball.

demens · Post #19 » by **demens** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:01 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:This relates to Lopez because Lopez is a good NBA center but Team USA only needs him to be a rebounder, screener, and shot blocker. The points that he scores aren't needed on Team USA even though we need him to do that for the Nets. Personally, I think Lopez does set good screens but you have to agree that if there's anything that Chandler does well, it's setting pick and rolls which turn into alley-oops. That happened all of the time in NOH with CP3. Chandler also eats up boards and blocks shots. That's why he's more of a fit on the Olympic Team. I definitely agree with everyone that Lopez needs get better at rebounding but I don't see this as a sound-off warning or alarm. NBA and Olympic/NCAA basketball are two different types of basketball.

So if the only thing Lopez is better then Chandler at is scoring, why does everyone think he is bound for superstardom? Is it his age? The glamor of scoring has NBA fans confused when their favorite scorer is rumored to be cut for a guy they consider to be a scrub. Maybe there is more to it then just fit and style of play in Fiba. Maybe a center thats good at blocking shots and rebounding is actually a good thing? Who knows.

Preludepunk27 · Post #20 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:49 pm

Do people realize coaches have different systems? Jeez everyone needs to just take a breath. Certain systems don't need a guy of Brook's mold. Nellie ball certainly doesn't. Neither does D'Antoni. If any of your watch Duke at all (some of you have to because of how many bandwagon jumpers they had in the 90's) you'd know that Coach K's system doesn't have a serious need for a scoring center. Look at his rosters throughout his coaching career and rarely do you find one.

This is not a wake up call. It's hilarious how some of you ignore these things. Turn on ESPN any time an analyst mentions Brook Lopez they say nothing but good things about him and his development. I also love that people bring up Brook's regression and disregard the fact he RARELY had plays called for him on offense and teams targeted him where we had no shooters on the floor to help shoot him out of double teams on the block. Dammit some of you are whacked out sometimes. I've also come to the conclusion that a few people on here (not naming names) have ever played organized basketball or have no conception on how to break down game film and rely too heavily on stats alone.