Why is Monta Ellis so underrated on rgm?

[AnSweR07]

The huge media hoopla and hype on John Wall got me thinking why is Ellis underrated by rgm or just in general. Wall is blessed with great physical gifts as Ellis and plays break neck speed but he is not nearly the player Ellis is yet he gets praise and billed as next big superstar. To me it seems ever since the moped inxident he's lost a lot of respect in fansfans eyes which is unfortunate bc he was coming off a yr where he made name for himself. Ellis unfairly gets labeled a turnover prone chucker and draws poors man AI comparisons or another steve francis type when clearly he's shown in past he can play good efficient basketball with good talent around him eg Baron Sjax. I see his potential as Arenas lite.

[Dr Positivity]

If the Ws were better he'd get more hype.

[stacey_is_king]

His efficiency is so, so, so horrible. That's basically it.

[Volcano]

His game looks pretty terrible in comparison to Curry.

[gswhoops]

Because he was horribly misused last season.

Ellis should not be the #1 option or the primary ballhandler on any team, but he was asked to be both for the majority of last season. This caused his PPG to go up slightly but also made his TOs skyrocket and his efficiency plummet. Now that Curry has emerged and we traded for Lee, and he can go back to being the 2/3rd option and playing off the ball most of the time, I expect him to put up 20-22ppg on 50%+ FGs which is pretty damn good.

[Takuya Kimura]

Yeah people have completely forgotten about the 07-8 Monta Ellis alongside BDiddy,he was terrific,20 ppg on 50%+ FG is not a dime a dozen.

And lol at the saying of him being selfish,what other weapons did the Warriors have during last season?

All in all the hate for Ellis is unbelivable because of the chucker label I guess,like a Zach Randolph or Jamal Crawford in the past,once the Warriors give him a big PG or send him to a good team,he will get his deserved reputation again.

[TheOUTLAW]

It has nothing to do with the moped incident. Most people just don't believe that he impacts the game as much as his stats would suggest.

[rrravenred]

The question for me is what separates him from, say, Kevin Martin or even peak Michael Redd. He did (and may still do) one thing well, but there's not a lot else that he brings to the table especially as (as has been pointed out) when forced to play out of position as a primary ballhandler or distributor he doesn't do particularly well.

[TheAdmiral]

He's labeled as a chucker.

[jax98]

Because he was horribly misused last season.

Ellis should not be the #1 option or the primary ballhandler on any team, but he was asked to be both for the majority of last season. This caused his PPG to go up slightly but also made his TOs skyrocket and his efficiency plummet. Now that Curry has emerged and we traded for Lee, and he can go back to being the 2/3rd option and playing off the ball most of the time, I expect him to put up 20-22ppg on 50%+ FGs which is pretty damn good.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner!

[nate33]

The problem with Ellis, aside from the inefficiency, is that he's a SG in a PG's body. He gives up a ton of point on defense because he is undersized. The only time he was successful was when he played alongside a big PG in Baron Davis who has the size to defend SG's. Those kinds of players are extremely hard to find.

[AnSweR07]

The problem with Ellis, aside from the inefficiency, is that he's a SG in a PG's body. He gives up a ton of point on defense because he is undersized. The only time he was successful was when he played alongside a big PG in Baron Davis who has the size to defend SG's. Those kinds of players are extremely hard to find.

This tells me you haven't seen much of Ellis. Ellis is underrated defensively, he's actually a pretty good man defender and plays the passing lanes well. He was 2nd in the league in steals I believe. The whole ineffciency thing is way overblown you have to look at the situation into context. Its hard to carry the team offensively while being the teams best defender for the duration of the season..your turnovers will go up and efficiency will go down.

[J08]

The problem with Ellis, aside from the inefficiency, is that he's a SG in a PG's body. He gives up a ton of point on defense because he is undersized. The only time he was successful was when he played alongside a big PG in Baron Davis who has the size to defend SG's. Those kinds of players are extremely hard to find.

This tells me you haven't seen much of Ellis. Ellis is underrated defensively, he's actually a pretty good man defender and plays the passing lanes well. He was 2nd in the league in steals I believe. The whole ineffciency thing is way overblown you have to look at the situation into context. Its hard to carry the team offensively while being the teams best defender for the duration of the season..your turnovers will go up and efficiency will go down.

getting steals doesn't make you a good defender. why don't people understand that. steals means you play the passing lanes well but man to man you still get torched like ellis does

[510TWSS]

The problem with Ellis, aside from the inefficiency, is that he's a SG in a PG's body. He gives up a ton of point on defense because he is undersized. The only time he was successful was when he played alongside a big PG in Baron Davis who has the size to defend SG's. Those kinds of players are extremely hard to find.

This tells me you haven't seen much of Ellis. Ellis is underrated defensively, he's actually a pretty good man defender and plays the passing lanes well. He was 2nd in the league in steals I believe. The whole ineffciency thing is way overblown you have to look at the situation into context. Its hard to carry the team offensively while being the teams best defender for the duration of the season..your turnovers will go up and efficiency will go down.

getting steals doesn't make you a good defender. why don't people understand that. steals means you play the passing lanes well but man to man you still get torched like ellis does

Except Ellis didn't get "torched" last year. He was the product of a poor defensive philosophy. Warriors jump the passing lanes all the time, thus overrating his steals. Doesn't mean he's a poor man defender as he has the quicks to stay with any guard not named Wade, CP3, Deron (I.E. elite guards with quickness and handles). He was asked last season to be the primary offensive weapon, and guard the likes of Roy, Durant and Kobe. It was a mixed bag if you ask me. He had a great defensive game against Roy once, then a mediocre one. He held Durant enough for us to pull out the win. Kobe was, well he's Kobe so he torched us like usual.

All in all, I think Ellis is an underrated defender that will always be limited by his size and lack of length. What he can do is stay in front of his man, but he doesn't always do it. He also has very quick hands and got some steals "pick pocketing" his man. Although that has gotten him into trouble in late game situations (see Smith, JR and Terry, Jason).

There you go bro, you just learned something today.

[RoyceDa59]

The problem with Ellis, aside from the inefficiency, is that he's a SG in a PG's body. He gives up a ton of point on defense because he is undersized. The only time he was successful was when he played alongside a big PG in Baron Davis who has the size to defend SG's. Those kinds of players are extremely hard to find.

From what I've seen of Ellis he appears to be a pretty good man-to-man defender. I think the problem with him stems from the fact that although he's a great scorer, he's not an exceptional ball handler, passer or decision maker, so as a PG he becomes limited in his effectiveness. He's best used as an off-the-ball scorer, but as you mentioned, he's undersized on the wing so it makes it more difficult to build around him. I think Ellis would make the perfect 6th man, playing 30 MPG off the bench and sparking a team with offensive outbursts.

[Malinhion]

Because, at best, he is the third best player on a title team.

[Relentless88]

Because, at best, he is the third best player on a title team.

On a title team I'd say he's the 4th option at best. He's the ideal 6th man though.

[AnSweR07]

The last two posts proves my point as such. A third or fourth option at best on a title team would not be able to put up what ellis did for the whole season and not playing fully healthy. Get real.

[Chriscross]

Because of his contract.

I wondered how he'd perform if he went to a team like the Celtics or the Lakers.

[Malinhion]

The last two posts proves my point as such. A third or fourth option at best on a title team would not be able to put up what ellis did for the whole season and not playing fully healthy. Get real.

Second option on a contender needs to do more than what Ellis brings to the table.

His stats look good because he played 41+ minutes on the fastest-paced team in the league in a guard-oriented offense. And it's in a season when nobody else could stay healthy, evidenced by the fact that Curry was the only player who started more games than Ellis.