Lawson and Landry to Indy trade Idea

[Indy2thaWindy]

I put this up in the T&T board fans of the other teams could see it and people were tellin me Indy was givin up too much. I don't think so. We get to keep the best of the young core, not take on any bad contracts, keep Granger, and keep our expirings. They were sayin the Pacers shouldn't give up the 2 1sts but with our expirings we could trade some for a few picks if the picks mean that much to Larry.



Denver trades

Kenyon Martin
Chauncey Billups
Arron Afflalo
Ty Lawson
2011 1st

Denver receives

Chris Paul
Emeka Okafor
James Posey

New Orleans trades

Chris Paul
Emeka Okafor
James Posey

New Orleans receives

Kenyon Martin
Arron Afflalo
Tyler Hansbrough
Brandon Rush
Indiana 2011 1st
Indiana 2013 1st
Denver 2011 1st

Sacramento trades

Carl Landry

Sacramento recieves

Chauncey Billups
Solomon Jones

Indiana Trades

Tyler Hansbrough
Brandon Rush
Solomon Jones
2011 1st
2013 1st

Indiana Receives

Ty Lawson
Carl Landry

Denver does it to win the championship.

New Orleans could be gettin robbed but get rid of their bad contracts, get Kenyon Martin's insured contract, save money immediately, and build toward the future with 3 picks including 2 potential lottery picks from Indiana, Arron Afflalo, Brandon Rush, and Tyler Hansbrough.

Sacramento does it to get Chauncey Billups, the point guard they have been lookin for and only has two years left on his deal with a team option on the 2nd year. They get an expiring in Solo Jones to add a little depth to the 4.

Indiana does it to get their PG and a good PF. They build around Lawson, George, and Hibbert, have an All-star in Granger entering his prime, and will have a lot of capspace next offseason to try to build a contender in a few seasons.

[Miller4ever]

See if it works for everybody when taking the 2013 1st off the table.

I think it looks good. I'm sure NO could get a better deal out of it.

My biggest question is, does Sac okay with keeping Evans at the point? Billups is much better at point, but Evans will be a better player in another year if not now.

[Indy2thaWindy]

See if it works for everybody when taking the 2013 1st off the table.

My point was if the 2013 pick got the deal done, you trade it. Don't we plan on bein good by then. It would probly be in the 20's anyways.

I think it looks good. I'm sure NO could get a better deal out of it.

I thought about this. Orlando can't offer much better. Knicks offer Gallinari, Randolph, and Chandler(everyone knows they overrate their players way too much). Portland can offer Oden(not likely), Batum(most likely), and Bayless(has never proven anything). Our offer involves Hansbrough and Rush(not the greatest picks ever), Martin Martin(expiring and covered by insurance), Arron Afflalo(RFA), and my offer has 3 picks included(2 from Indiana, 1 from Denver) when most others only have 2. But the picks we givethem are better than any other picks they could get. The picks that POR, ORL, NY, and DAL offer are likely in the 22-30 range. The Pacer picks are potential lottery picks. And they save around $10 million dollars this year in salary not including the 80% of Martin's contract that is covered by insurance. So really they would save over 20 million this season and whatever they would save from the Paul and Okafor contracts in the future. Hansbrough, Rush and Afflalo if he stayed all combine to about $8 million. Posy would make $6.9 million in 2011-2012.

My biggest question is, does Sac okay with keeping Evans at the point? Billups is much better at point, but Evans will be a better player in another year if not now.

They play Evans at the 2 and Udrih at the point. Billups is a big upgrade at the point and baasically the type of player they want next to him, A spot up shooter who plays good defense and can control the game when Evans ain't in the game.

[aquatic92]

Sacto fans I know really like Landry as part of their core with Evans, Cousins, and Casspi. You'd have to convince them that trading Landry and pushing Casspi to the bench and limiting his PT is worth an aging Billups. HOPE THEY LIKE SOLOMON JONES, even though he's a very very very very poor man's Dalembert with his "shotblocking" ability.

[Moooose]

I'm kinda in between here.
Sorry but i think Indiana would be giving up too much. And without any guarantee of a winning season, our future first rounders would be very valuable. Sure i'd like to have both players becuase they'll fill our need for starters but we'd be losing depth here.
I'd rather not include any of our future first rounders, who knows there's still a great chance we'll be in the lottery again anytime soon.

[Indy2thaWindy]

If you don't add the picks you don't get either player. Truthfully we only lose 1 player, Jones is an expiring and so is Landry. Rush and Hansbrough couldn't get Lawson. The 2013 1st probly couldn't get Landry. If you add the 2 picks you get both players. Playoffs don't have to be right away, most likely we would make it tho. Rush and Hansbrough ain't valued too highly around the league. Lawson is, and Landry is. You give up a potential lottery pick for Ty Lawson, who Larry Bird was rumored to offer the 10th pick for and Landry who is a more skilled, a player who won't miss half the season because of an ear infection, and is only 2 years older than Hansbrough. Rush is expendable with George, Stephenson, and Jones at the position. the 2013 is the icin on the cake to get the deal done. The team should be good, if not contendin by then. All the players would have two extra seasons to gel with eachother. Still have a young talented core, a 29 year old Granger in his prime, and a few free agents to make the team better. You could trade paul George instead of the 2011 1st, but it wouldn't make since. A roster of

Hibbert/Foster/Rolle
Landry/Murphy/McRoberts
Granger/George/Dunleavy
Jones/George/Stephenson
Lawson/Ford/Price

could be a playoff team. You still have Granger, a young core of Hibbert, Lawson, George, Stephenson, McRoberts, Price, and Rolle, and 30+ million in capspace next season. Why not do this trade?

[Wizop]

you have Indiana trading two first round selections and two more first round picks for a couple of backups????

[jowglenn]

Bad deal. Landry will be a UFA. trading assets for him is a bad idea - either we can sign him outright, or if we trade assets for him we can lose him.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Sacto fans I know really like Landry as part of their core with Evans, Cousins, and Casspi. You'd have to convince them that trading Landry and pushing Casspi to the bench and limiting his PT is worth an aging Billups. HOPE THEY LIKE SOLOMON JONES, even though he's a very very very very poor man's Dalembert with his "shotblocking" ability.

I found out they won't trade Carl Landry for anything.

you have Indiana trading two first round selections and two more first round picks for a couple of backups????

Both of those back-ups would be starters on the Pacers.

[jowglenn]

Again, how can you give up all that to get a guy who will be an unrestricted free agent? If he wants to sign a long term deal in Indy, we can have him do that.... without giving up ANYTHING.

If he doesn't want to sign a long term deal in Indy.... then we just gave up all those assets for a one year rental.

That's why this is a bad bad idea.

[colts2004]

Again, how can you give up all that to get a guy who will be an unrestricted free agent? If he wants to sign a long term deal in Indy, we can have him do that.... without giving up ANYTHING.

If he doesn't want to sign a long term deal in Indy.... then we just gave up all those assets for a one year rental.

That's why this is a bad bad idea.

Exactly! Just like when we traded Ron Artest(although, yes he HAD to go) we got Peja for what, a half a year....

Bad trade period! Besides IMO, Id rather have Troy Murphy any day over Landry

[Boneman2]

Like I was saying on the trade board, this trade completely strips Indy of their vital regrowth assets. Our soon-to-be depleted roster has to have b/u's, and I am still intrigued with Hansbrough being our next Jeff Foster off the bench. Also, the 2011 first is the key to a deep pg draft class and I don't want locked out.

This is the first proposal I've seen where a team basically gives four lottery picks for two b/u's. Just because Lawson is good enough to start here, does not mean he is worth such a substantial package. That is a CP3 package if you add an expiring.

I guess I just don't like the thought of trading picks unless we're swapping with Minny or LAC

[Indy2thaWindy]

Why would you want Troy Murphy, he hurts the team. He doesn't play D and his two 3's that he hits a game ain't to effective when you stand at the three point line all game. Carl Landry almost made the all-star team as a reserve last season. He is a low-post scorer that would play well next to Hibbert and would be able to be resigned. He lived in Indiana from 02-07, he lived here for 6 years and after playin here for another season, he would most likely resign. Larry Bird was tryna trade the 10th pick for Lawson, Why would he be available for the 2011 1st.
Basically it is the 2011 1st and Rush for Lawson and Tyler Hansbrough and 2013 1st for Carl Landry. You couldn't get Carl landry for the 2013 alone, you add in Hansbrough, Landry is an obvious upgrade from Hansbrough and is only 2 years older, won't miss half the season because of an ear infection(example: 2 seasons ago he got shot in the leg and was playin 2 weeks later), The team would be better. We risk the 2011 pick on Lawson, who looks to be every bit worth that pick plus more and we can get rid of 2 draft mistakes in Rush(underachiever) and Hansbrough(Lawson should have been taken here instead), Keep George, Hibbert, and Granger, and still have all our expirings. If you don't wann do this trade it is because you are Rush and hansbrough lovers, and there is one Murphy lover. How could you possibly want Murphy? You must be racist to want Troy Murphy over Carl Landry. That is the only reason i can imagine of you sayin that. Landry is better in every aspect in the game except 3pt shootin and reboundin. You could get 5 rebounds a game if you didn't play defense and just boxed out the whole game. Watch Murphy play. He gives his man atleast 5 feet breathin room everyplay and still gets burnt. Hibbert would benefit better from playin with Landry and Landry would benefit better playin with Hibbert. Murphy would be traded immediately after this trade.


Murphy > Landry

[colts2004]

LMAO! Landry only averaged 5.8 rebound last season.... Compare that to Troys double double. Indiana has ALWAYS had a problem rebounding and you want a guy who cant rebound the ball? Sure, he lived in Indiana cause he went to Purdue, big f'in deal.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Reboundin is a problem because we get no second chance points on offense. Murphy sits around the perimeter and it makes it harder for the team to get second chance points. That is the real problem. The Pacers played better when Murphy was off the floor. Hibbert's and Landry's rebounds will go up, both could average 8 & 9, be more effecient and effective on offense, and a lot better on defense without Murphy. Murphy is overrated and hurts the team's play. He can average a dbl-dbl all he wants his 15 and 10 don't make up for the 25 or 30 points he alone gives up on defense.
The Pacers without Murphy are a better team.

[colts2004]

Maybe your right, we do need a PG, I just hate to loose Hansbrough, yes, he was hurt all year but he has promise, he has shown that.

Saw somewhere today only reason we havent traded Murph yet is lack of depth and the 4 & 5.

[Miller4ever]

A lot of people are high on Landry, and rightfully so. However, I think Hansbrough has the potential to be better.

[colts2004]

A lot of people are high on Landry, and rightfully so. However, I think Hansbrough has the potential to be better.

I agree! He was great in HS, College and for the games he played, he averaged what about 8.5ppg and about 4 rpg... He reminds me of an offensive minded Jeff Foster.

Id love to see the Pacers bring in Rik Smits and Dale Davis to work with Hibbert and Hasbrough, it help them a ton

[Dunthreevy]

Nevermind that a trade like this happening is about as likely as me coming through your computer right now, but is it even within the confines of the league rules to do a 4 team trade?

[Miller4ever]

You can have as many teams as you want.